Boehner: “Bush would have punched Putin in nose”

The Republican critique of President Obama’s foreign policy is the same critique the GOP offers of every Democratic president or presidential nominee: He’s a wimp. They’ve trotted it out against every leading Democrat in recent memory, from Dukakis to Clinton to Gore to even John Kerry, who had volunteered to serve and fight in Vietnam and won the Purple Heart in doing so.

In fact, as someone who was raised in the military and taught to respect military service, I have never been more appalled by anything in my professional career than I was while covering the 2004 Republican Convention in New York, when supposedly patriotic, flag-waving attendees wore bandages to mock Kerry’s service.

Yesterday, while campaigning in Iowa, House Speaker John Boehner trotted out that meme once again:

“Does anybody think that Vladimir Putin would have gone into Crimea had George W. Bush been president of the United States?” Boehner asked the crowd. “No! Even Putin is smart enough to know that Bush would have punched him in the nose in about 10 seconds!”

Let us count the inanities packed into those 41 words:

050224_bush_putin_nodonnell_vmed2p.grid-4x21.) This would be the same George W. Bush who told the world that he had peered into Putin’s eyes and “found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul.”

2.) This would be the same George W. Bush who did almost nothing but issue mild protests when Putin invaded the nation of Georgia in 2008. Certainly, no fists flew; a fist may have been feebly shaken, but that’s about it.

3.) In 2001, when China forced down a U.S. Navy reconnaissance plane, holding its 24 crew members hostage for 10 days, Bush responded with a letter that expressed American sorrow for the incident and by paying the Chinese for the feeding of the captured crew and return of the plane, which had been dismantled and thoroughly dissected by the Chinese. One can only imagine the howling from the right had Obama handled a comparable situation in the same fashion.

4.) Bush’s reputation for toughness depends almost entirely on his disastrous decision to invade Iraq, a decision that was poorly thought-through and poorly executed and that continues to dog American foreign policy to this day. It remains the single biggest foreign-policy mistake in this nation’s history.

Ruble:dollar5.) Rather than “punch Putin in the nose in 10 seconds,” Obama has led a highly successful effort to impose economic sanctions on Russia. As the chart to the left illustrates, the Russian ruble is in collapse against the dollar, its stock market is in sharp decline, tens of thousands of educated Russians are leaving the country, its sovereign debt has been sharply downgraded, foreign investment is nonexistent, and inflation is running at 8 percent with food shortages appearing.

In short, and despite the crush that some American conservatives have on the bare-chested one, Putin’s foreign-policy adventurism has proved a disaster for his country. And the supposedly “wimpy” Obama had a lot to do with it. The Russian leader underestimated the willingness of the West to respond to his aggression, and he is paying a high price for that error.

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einhard
einhard

Almost every study on the subject has shown that sanctions are ineffective as a foreign policy tool. U.S. sanctions have actually hurt Europe- particularly in the east- as well as US industry, more than Russia. Europe is scared to death that Putin will shut off its fuel supply. Sanctions are strengthening the economic partnership between China and Russia and accelerating their plans for creating a new financial system to replace the dollar hegemony in global trade. Putin is now enjoying record-high popularity with the Russian public (over 80%- dream on Obama), while approval of the US has fallen to 4%. Obama has chosen to revive the cold war with Russia at a time when we could really use their cooperation in the war on Islamic terrorism. If anybody's getting socked in the nose it's us: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Our-Answer-US-Sanctions-Putin-Obama-Russian-Mens-T-Shirt-XL-/281475190941?pt=UK_Men_s_T_Shirts&hash=item41893a909d

Soothsayer2
Soothsayer2

New Orleans radio station starts #SaveSmitty campaign for slumping Falcons to keep Mike Smith as coach

If everything with the Atlanta Falcons is broken, don't fix it. That's the message New Orleans Saints fans have for their hated NFC South nemesis.

A New Orleans sports talk station started a Twitter campaign for the struggling Falcons to keep head coach Mike Smith complete with a #SaveSmitty hashtag amid rumors he might soon be fired.

The Falcons are 2-6 on the season and have lost their last five games, including a 21-point collapse Sunday in London against the Detroit Lions.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2014/10/new_orleans_radio_station_camp.html#incart_m-rpt-2

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Man! That's just plain cold!

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

Dimitrov has to go!

If you disagree, I have a couple questions:

Please name three Falcons who would start on the defense of a team with a winning record.

Please name three draft picks of the last five years where you said, "Hey, that guy was better than I expected!  Dimitrov was smart to have drafted him!"

Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@Nobody_Knows


I guess I'm going to  have to repeat myself yet again Nobody knows. One more time. Please read the VERY FIRST SENTENCE IN YOUR LINK. And to think your mind still has convinced itself that its an official title. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! READ YOUR OWN LINK MA'AM! 


"In the United States, the informal political term "czar" or "tsar" is employed in media and popular usage to refer to high-level officials who oversee a particular policy. There have never been any U.S. government offices with the title "czar", but various governmental officials have sometimes been referred to by the nickname "czar" rather than their actual title."

Peachs
Peachs

One party system whether in Georgia or the Soviet Union have got to have tough men to rule with fear to exist. They are not there because they are clever they are there because the constituency fears something either internal like the dictator or a created enemy like Russia has made us or Georgia Republicans have made of Obama. In truth both the communist and the Republicans are cowards who look for weakness instead of strength.

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

"They are not there because they are clever they are there because the constituency fears something either internal like the dictator or a created enemy like Russia has made us or Georgia Republicans have made of Obama. In truth both the communist and the Republicans are cowards who look for weakness instead of strength. "

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

"I have a message for Republicans who continue to attack Ron Klain.

Shut up.

And save it for issues that matter. Not this one that does not.

Ok, so the president's Ebola coordinator doesn't have any medical experience.

Neither do a lot of you guys. But that hasn't stopped you from pontificating if you were Marcus Welby just the same.

Thing is, I don't recall you making this kind of fuss over Stewart Simonson."


http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-world-cavuto/2014/10/21/cavuto-stop-attacking-ebola-czar-ron-klain





Who knew Thulsa Dumb thought FoxNews.com was a far left kook site?




BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@Nobody_Knows


What you should probably try doing is reading the very first sentence of your own article. The people calling him a, ahem, czar, are folks in the news media. 


"The following is FactCheck.org’s count of Bush administration positions whose holders were 

dubbed “czars” in one or more news articles."


His real title is below. 


(Assistant secretary for public health emergency preparedness, Department 

of Health and Human Services) – Stewart Simonson


Gawd you say the stupidest dang things. Maybe one day you'll actually have a point. Today wasn't it. 

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

So, Mr. Doomy, how many of Obama's "czars" do you assert actually have the official title of "czar"?

Twenty?

Ten?

Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@Nick_Danger


Its a made up title dude. The point is that the kooks speak so glowingly of deferring to scientists and then the head kook goes and appoints a politician to head up the response to Ebola. And of course once that happened the kooks predictably start deflecting to a W appointment made 9 or 10 years ago- as if that has anything to do with today. Geez. Ya just can't make up this kind of silliness. Are the kooks permanently trapped in a time warp  that takes em back to, say 2004, when Obama does something stupid?

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@ThulsaDoom @Nick_Danger


But but the only info you could find was on far left kook site...........


LLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!


Who knew Fox News and Cavuto were considered kook by you?



Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@Nobody_Knows@Nick_Danger


Still stuck on the "czar" thing nobody knows? Well of course you are. Of course. Still deflecting to 2004 or 2005 and W? Well of course you are. Is that all you got son?- deflection to W about 10 years ago? Well of course it is.  

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

The policy is driven by science. 

The implementation is happening through a guy ("czar") appointed for his implementation skills.

If this is still difficult to understand, I can go through it again.

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@ThulsaDoom @Nobody_Knows @Nick_Danger


LOLOLOLOLOL


Your thin skin is showing even more now that your "I only could find it on far left kook sites" crap was debunked in quick fashion.


You have a good day spinning.



take care now

Dixiebug
Dixiebug

@ThulsaDoom @Nobody_Knows @Nick_Danger Alright. I can start criticising Reagan and George H.W. Bush for not having a coordinator for AIDS. 


Because that is a pretty glaring oversight given how bad things were. 

Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@Nick_Danger


Same advice to you as I gave to Hedley. Stop digging. Put the shovel down. Step away from the shovel sir. Please step away. For the love of God step away from the shovel and stop digging.

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@Nick_Danger


Bottom line:  They wanted to cry but as usual have nothing to stand on except talking points.  

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

They're so cute when they surrender...

Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@Dixiebug


So nobody in the W or Bush 1 administration oversaw or was in charge of aids research or the response to aids? Nobody?


Or do you just think that nobody was responding to the aids epidemic because there wasn't some kind of high profile, publicized appointment of a new "czar" or person to head the aids effort- as if nobody at cdc or elsewhere had been doing anything all along. 

Doggone_GA
Doggone_GA

@HeadleyLamar Not really the point of your post...but dowsing is very interesting.  I've tried it and it's hard (try impossible, for me anyway) to try to explain why the rods move sometimes and sometimes they don't.  Saw an interesting show about a US base in Germany where some Army officer used dowsing to find a water supply for the base.

gotalife
gotalife

The dem jellyfish need to follow Warrens spine.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@gotalife Unfortunately the GOP has shown over and again they will put politics before Science.


Every single time.

steveatl
steveatl

I blame Obama for my hair loss

RandroidWillBoy
RandroidWillBoy

@steveatl


What about Bush?


Bush was awful.  BO is awful and only concerned with being arguably better than Bush.  Sucks for all of us.

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

Yeah traffic was TERRIBLE this morning!!  Thanks, Obama!!

Buttercup23
Buttercup23

And Putin looked into G.W. Bush's eyes and said to himself, this fool is the President of the U.S.

Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@Buttercup23


You have proof of Putin saying this, yes? 


I got one better for you than your imaginary quote. This is what at least one other world leader thinks of the incompetent one in the white house. 


"Obama's irritation with his French counterpart began when Sarkozy tried to grab the limelight at the G20 summit in London in April and talked condescendingly of the US President in private."


"Sarkozy told colleagues that he found Obama to be inexperienced and unbriefed, especially on climate change, according to The Times of London."


"The French press often publishes Sarkozy's unflattering comments about Obama's lack of prior government experience, his alleged difficulty in reaching decisions or his domestic electoral setbacks."



Cupofjoe
Cupofjoe

John Coleman?

Yeah- and as Elizabeth Warren said, and I believe- Coleman didn't build that company- the gubermint did.


Speaking of Lizzy-  perfect candidate as she is grandma's blanket on a cold dark night.  She will protect our leftist friends and make them feel all comfortable. 


Now back to the growing number of unbanked......or wasn't Lizzy there to get it done?


http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/checking/fdic-unbanked-checking/


http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/08/04/how-to-help-the-unbanked-repeal-the-durbin-amendment/

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

Intimidated by a strong woman, who's not afraid to say what she believes?  Which republicans have the cojones to stand up to the banking industry? 

td1234
td1234

On another note: 


"Fulton County Superior Court Judge Christopher Brasher declined to order any remedies in the “missing voter” lawsuit brought by the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights. That group had filed the suit against Secretary of State Brian Kemp and five Georgia counties, claiming that some 50,000 voter registration applications had been submitted but not processed. Two of the counties, Chatham and DeKalb reached a separate agreement with the committee, which left Clayton, Fulton and Muscogee counties as defendants.

While the group was hoping for remedies including the hiring of additional staff to process applications, the judge wasn’t sure what more could be done. According to the AJC,

“What does the law require that they haven’t done?” Brasher asked during the hearing. “That’s what I’m a bit fuzzy about here.”

It seems like this may bring an end to the ongoing controversy that started in September after the New Georgia Project submitted thousands of registration applications and Secretary Kemp subpoenaed the group as part of an investigation into fraudulent applications."

consumedconsumer
consumedconsumer

@td1234 yeah, what can the elected official in charge of voter registration do to make sure citizens who want to vote are afforded that opportunity and constitutional right.  i mean, the irs slows down tax deductions and the right wing explodes; but on this, they simply clap, hoot and holler at the prospects of voter suppression. such fine american patriots y'all are.

RandroidWillBoy
RandroidWillBoy

@td1234


I think we should let everyone vote without evidence of citizenship and allow them to vote as many times as possible.  IMO until private money is out of the political equation, it doesn't matter who is  in charge.

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

"I think we should let everyone vote without evidence of citizenship and allow them to vote as many times as possible."

Advocated by nobody but you.

It's just interesting that, in the absence of any evidence of in-person voter fraud, the systematic disenfranchisement of any portion of the electorate is acceptable to republicans.  And it certainly appears to be taking place here in Georgia - see td's post above.

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@RaindroidWillBoy


LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


John Coleman?  The dude with the journalism degree.  Like many you have confused his business prowess with his science background which is nonexistent. 



Coleman started his career in 1953 at WCIA in Champaign, Illinois, doing the early evening weather forecast and a local bandstand show called At The Hop while he was a student at University of Illinois. After receiving his journalism degree in 1957, he became the weather anchor for WCIA's sister station WMBD-TV in PeoriaIllinois. Coleman was also a weather anchor for KETV in OmahaWISN-TV in Milwaukee and then WBBM-TV and WLS-TVin Chicago.[1][4]

RandroidWillBoy
RandroidWillBoy

@Nobody_Knows


In your desperate rush to discredit this guy, you neglect to mention he is a meteorologist.  Impetuousness and fright drove you to limit your response to the first paragraph of the wikipedia bio.

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@RaindroidWillBoy @Nobody_Knows


You had no idea what Coleman's background was or wasn't.  You just posted the article thinking you had a "smoking gun".


LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!


You little narcissist you. 

RandroidWillBoy
RandroidWillBoy

@Nobody_Knows @RaindroidWillBoy



Well, there are 9,000 PhDs and 31 scientists who have signed the petition that says it's not a significant greenhouse gas.


I'm trying to find this petition but the challenges to your ideologically motivated fear blinds you to considering any other angles...


I note your deflection to sarcasm.  


I have no ideological feelings about manmade warming.  Only logical challenges.  Such seem to be mounting lately.  I don't trust such an immature science period.  Much less to make such profound statements as sky is falling...

Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@RaindroidWillBoy @Nobody_Knows


"I have no ideological feelings about manmade warming.  Only logical challenges"


Sorry but that's just not going to go over very well with the sky alarmist crowd. They have no interest in logic, science, better to just leave them with their misleading data.

RandroidWillBoy
RandroidWillBoy

@DownInAlbany @RaindroidWillBoy



Of course...same with military opting for quarantine.  Also, nobody seems to know how many healthcare workers we have in africa but it appears likely less that a thousand.  Not sure how big a deal it is to protect such a small number of folks..

Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@DownInAlbany @Nobody_Knows @RaindroidWillBoy


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!


Too funny! The kooks, who speak so reverentially of science, and whose main leader then puts a politician in charge as Ebola czar. You cannot make this crap up. Ya just can't!

RandroidWillBoy
RandroidWillBoy

@steveatl @Nobody_Knows @RaindroidWillBoy



Nice you can contribute such biting and relevant discourse.   Liberals have a desperation growing as we find the models are crap, and despite maddening efforts to the contrary, the scientific process is alive and well.


This of course includes that part about ongoing challenges to such hypothesis.   

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@RaindroidWillBoy



In other breaking news the CEO of Delta is not a pilot and the founders of Home Depot didn't work construction before they started the company.  


Intelligent individual as yourself (you as well Albany) is able to understand that just because Coleman was a co-founder of the Weather Channel in itself doesn't make him an expert on the climate.  At least one would think that but who knows, right?



Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

I agree.  What's the plan for getting more over there?  Republican or Democratic plan?

RandroidWillBoy
RandroidWillBoy

@ThulsaDoom


Why does it matter who is in charge of directing traffic for such? Actually, my bet is that he is appropriate as a protector of optics.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@ThulsaDoom That is because his job was one of logistics etc...Which he was qualified for.


Totally different role.

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@ThulsaDoom


Yet you are a Bush groupie.


The man whose Bird Flu czar didn't have a medical background.


But you keep acting stupid if that makess your day.  


psst:  Your thin skin is showing again 

ErwinsCat
ErwinsCat

@steveatl @RaindroidWillBoy @Nobody_Knows 

When 95% of climate scientists along with scientists from multiple science disciplines are constantly providing evidence of climate change, then yes, I believe them

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except they are not...

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@ErwinsCat @steveatl @RaindroidWillBoy @Nobody_Knows Except they do.


That humans are causing global warming is the position of the Academies of Science from 80 countries plus many scientific organizations that study climate science. More specifically, around 95% of active climate researchers actively publishing climate papers endorse the consensus position.


Over and over and over again


Hopefully the idiots will wake up before we destroy the planet for future generations

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@ErwinsCat @HeadleyLamar @steveatl @RaindroidWillBoy @Nobody_Knows Nope


Yours is..and it really isn't that hard to see either

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@ErwinsCat @Nobody_Knows @DownInAlbany @RaindroidWillBoy


Never said they were. 


I don't have a journalism degree nor have a worked as a weatherman reading information from a teleprompter.


Nice try.   


All I am saying that is if one wants to post information from someone that doesn't think climate change is real it might help if the person they are referencing has some sort of scientific background.



ErwinsCat
ErwinsCat

@HeadleyLamar @ErwinsCat 

No they don't...again, your assertion is wrong

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@HeadleyLamar @ErwinsCat


Well they are not all in agreement.


I think it is much more accurate to say that to some extent or another the majority might be in agreement that it is occurring.  

Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@HeadleyLamar


Aaah. So a politician is also a logistics expert? Quit digging Hedley. Put the dang shovel down and for the love of God quit digging. 

RandroidWillBoy
RandroidWillBoy

@steveatl @RaindroidWillBoy @Nobody_Knows


And you have motive to not challenge hypothesis and models, assumptions and the like.  BTW the 95% mounts to 75 individuals.


The need to legitimize this new science must be difficult.  I'm a math scientist and like some meaningful range of certainty.  This is not existent yet.  The challenges need get beyond attacks on credibility and focus on agreement on a single model with appropriate weights being assigned to each variable (of course likely many, many more we don't understand yet IMO)


Given the relative newness to this science, it benefits from each and every challenge. Sadly it is more political science at this time.

Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@Nobody_Knows


Funny thing. I keep googling for where W appointed a bird flu "czar" and the only people that keep opining that he was a bird flu "czar" are kook left blogs and websites. Hilarious!!!!! 

RandroidWillBoy
RandroidWillBoy

@ErwinsCat @HeadleyLamar


If you glibly assign weights to variables assuming worst case scenario, due to reasons not scientific, you get crap


I don't trust anyone telling me the sky is falling who have perverse incentives to do so. Maybe in 20 years we may have better handle but liberals will never admit they over-reacted based on political motivations.

RandroidWillBoy
RandroidWillBoy

@HeadleyLamar @RaindroidWillBoy @steveatl @Nobody_Knows


So how are we supposed to act?  If all proposed is true, seems we are at a point of not return.  


I got one of my kids a Leaf...not because I was saving the world but it was cheap and the tax breaks are welcome.  IMO we all need to do what we can and be responsible but this should not be driven by hysteria.

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@RaindroidWillBoy @Nobody_Knows


He was a journalism major who went on to do weather on the news then became a businessman. Good for him but that doesn't make him an expert on the climate. 


You spin it all you like.  The man doesn't have a science background but you keep clicking your heels together and posting that article if it will make you day.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

steveatl
steveatl

@RaindroidWillBoy @steveatl @Nobody_Knows I actually have a degree in atmospheric science. When 95% of climate scientists along with scientists from multiple science disciplines are constantly providing evidence of climate change, then yes, I believe them. Not heresay from random old weather dudes.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@steveatl @RaindroidWillBoy @Nobody_Knows We are seeing this play out a bit with Ebola


Our President is listening to the experts....No travel bans etc.


The cooks like Deal and Christie say ' Damn the experts I know best !!!! "


Same with Climate Change. They wont listen to the experts because they know better.


its sad really.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@RaindroidWillBoy @steveatl @Nobody_Knows Given the relative newness to this science, it benefits from each and every challenge.


Yes it does...And it tends to hold up time after time.


The deniers all seem to have a political agenda....I mean Al Gore just couldn't be right could he ?


While the Climate Scientists are just telling us what they see.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@RaindroidWillBoy @steveatl @Nobody_Knows


Future generations will look back and wonder why we didn't act.


Its shameful...But hey 51 percent of Americans think JFK was killed by a conspiracy ( He wasn't ) and something like 14 percent of Americans believe in bigfoot..


Me ill stick with the Scientists...And when they have this kind of consensus i tend to believe them..


There will always be the bigfoot folks though...No matter how much you prove otherwise.

ErwinsCat
ErwinsCat

@HeadleyLamar @RaindroidWillBoy @steveatl @Nobody_Knows 

peer reviewed as in reviewed by people of the same opinion

ErwinsCat
ErwinsCat

@HeadleyLamar @RaindroidWillBoy @steveatl @Nobody_Knows 

Not sure what 9000 phds who don't know a thing about the climate would have to do with anything.

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I'd say their opinion holds more cache than yours ...but hey what's a Doctor of Philosophy know about climate change anyway?

Legion of Doom
Legion of Doom

@ErwinsCat


What exactly is your view? 


My view is that the majority of scientists believe that we are in a slight warming trend, that some of it may be related to man made causes, but that we don't know how much of it is man made and how much is natural. Furthermore, that there is little evidence that it is a cataclysmic trend as the alarmists are insisting.