Ferguson grand jury: No indictment of officer in Brown death

nc_fergusonunrest160813_mezznA St. Louis County grand jury has decided that Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson should not be indicted in the death of Michael Brown. It found no probable cause of criminal behavior by Wilson.

Testimony and physical evidence on which that conclusion was based will be made available to the public immediately; it will be and should be carefully analyzed.

But for the moment, the hope is that the grand jury’s assessment will be greeted with peaceful protest by those who disagree with the finding.

UPDATE: We’re dealing with two related yet distinct issues here. The first is the specific question of whether the evidence in the case  amounted to probable cause that Office Wilson had committed a crime. Today, the grand jury decided it did not, and pending the opportunity to study the case more closely, that decision should be respected.

The second, larger question is about the lack of faith that exists between the citizens of Ferguson and its police force, and between those citizens and the criminal justice system as a whole. That longstanding issue — a condition that existed long before the Brown case — created the conditions for the turmoil that continues to play out on our TV screens. And if you think it is a problem confined to the boundaries of that St. Louis suburb, well ….

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GaBlue
GaBlue

If you trust all authority figures simply because they are authority figures, because you were indoctrinated in elementary school to trust all authority figures, you are going to be -- at best, disappointed, and -- at worst, molested, robbed, exploited, beaten, shot, or denied the justice you deserve.

I am always respectful, but not naive enough to trust. A uniform on the outside or a title by the name does not mean you can trust who's on the inside. Just sayin'.


td1234
td1234

@GaBlue Who says you have to trust? It is the progressives that believe authority figures (government) is better prepared to take care of your basic needs. 


The one things everyone should learn is that you MUST be respectful to government at the time of a confrontation (especially one with a gun) and then take the appropriate actions later. 

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@GaBlue Indeed.  It's worth observing that there are more than a few cops and politicians in the pokey.


Power and authority do not confer some magical ability to do only good deeds.


GaBlue
GaBlue

@barkingfrog
I trust no one at first, but am open to giving them a chance to show me I can.  :) 

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@td1234 @GaBlue " It is the progressives that believe authority figures (government) is better prepared to take care of your basic needs."


Utter, unmitigated bulldada.


That may be what you believe, but it bears no resemblance whatsoever to what *we* actually believe.


Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@Tuna Meowt @td1234 @GaBlue


Well if you haven't figured it out td1234 is real good at telling others what they believe seen through his own stereotypes, bigotries and biases.

When asked to clarify and substantiate he usually deflects or doubles down on more stupidity.  It is the only way he knows how to comment or at minimum the way he elects to comment on this blog. 

Philosopher1280
Philosopher1280

@GaBlue This is exactly what I tell my kids...and they are white. The police are populated by folks who want to help the community, but many more are also motivated by the power rush. Not so long ago, on my son's 16th birthday in our little crime-free subdivision, he and his friends went out for a stroll together...3 geeky, musicians, artists, and thespians. It wasn't even very late. We had lived here for over 10 years and everyone knew everyone. But someone new had moved in, someone who was fearful and paranoid, and that person called the police on 3 "scary-looking  guys with sticks, up to no good". Those were hiking sticks, by the way, and they were in the middle of the little subdivision road, laughing and arguing over Tolkien. The police came roaring into the subdivision with strobe and spotlights on, screaming for them to drop their sticks and hit the ground. The cops had their jollies and terrified 3 really great kids. It happens all the time-assume the worst and ask questions later. Trust me, though, because I am white I had the pleasure of  holding the police chief's feet to the fire for 2 solid hours the next day. It could have been so very different...

InTheMiddle2
InTheMiddle2

Looking forward to reading Jays unbiased and even handed evaluation of the grand jury evidence.

Blue Ridge Man
Blue Ridge Man

Liberals are people who believe in liberty, freedom, equal rights for everyone, tolerance, and democracy.

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@InTheMiddle2 @Midvale


What actual issue do you define yourself as being "InTheMiddle"?


Would you mind telling the blog what you would say your overall voting percentage is by party? 



alexander2
alexander2

It's not just black anger, it is a question of over-reaching police power. In our family we have had 3 people arrested , 1 here,1 boulder, and 1 Boston. All were found without merit by the courts..We are a caucasion family.

Blue Ridge Man
Blue Ridge Man

Oswald acted alone.

OJ was guilty but got away with murder

Manson was convicted

Zimmerman found not guilty

Wilson was not indicted.

The world moves on.

What to do with the black anger and feelings about the system and society they live in.  The answer is above my pay grade.  Maybe some other smarter people have an answer.  I am waiting to hear it.

LeninTime
LeninTime

@td1234 

Now the progressives believe law enforcement is suppose to be treated the same as citizens when it comes to using deadly force. Police shoot criminals as of their official job duties

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In an oppressive police state maybe. But not in a healthy functioning democracy.

On a more general note: the glib happy-go-lucky way this particular poster mouths authoritarian and proto-fascist sentiments makes me want to coin a special term for his brand of easy going endorsement of state violence:  Disneyland fascism.

It's got that bizarre new-agey feel to it like so much evangelical thinking. Weird.

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@LeninTime @td1234 "In an oppressive police state maybe. But not in a healthy functioning democracy."


Indeed.  Why, I recall having a conversation with a Y2K doomer friend of my wife's who was *convinced* that President Clinton would order martial law when society broke down as a result of the Y2K bug (or so he believed) and that soldiers would happily obey orders to fire on their countrymen.


So I asked him if he honestly believed that *I* would follow an order to fire on *him.*  After all, I'd only been out of the Reserves for about three or four years at that point; certainly I could have been pulled back into the Army in the event of a national emergency.


It wasn't until I personalized his argument for him that he realized how full of spit his argument actually was.

Peachs
Peachs

 I'll let bullets do my talking for now on.

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@LeninTime @Midvale @fiftythreepercenter


Think back Lenin, you/we seen it with Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS scandle, immigration etc...  So I'm amazed you even ask!!!   Koolaid drinkers through and through.
These liberal troll never change even if it's proven to be Grubers.

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Hey Tuna Melt, tell us  what's your favorite flavor???

Nobody_Knows
Nobody_Knows

@blah blah blah @Nick_Danger


Well you may not be listening to him but you sure read his comments.  Otherwise you wouldn't have responded.

I'd say don't that make you look stupid but you already know that to be the case. 

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@Nobody_Knows   what did he say nobody???  He just sighed like a school crossing guard.  Meaningless.  But you know know that already but you just had to post garbage to make youself feel better.  good job nobody

td1234
td1234

Now the progressives believe law enforcement is suppose to be treated the same as citizens when it comes to using deadly force. Police shoot criminals as of their official job duties. There is normally an internal affairs investigation done and to determine if police and the law was followed and then the evidence sent to a DA to sign off on them. If they were justified then the officer is put right back out to go to work. NO TRAIL. 


It is clear the DA believed from the beginning the DA thought this was a justified shooting but the political pressure forced him to take the matter to the GJ and let the citizens decide. The citizens decided the lae enforcement officer was justifed.

DunwoodyGranny
DunwoodyGranny

NO TRAIL is certainly right. Cops are almost never held accountable for damage they cause, whether it's shooting suspects, shooting innocent bystanders, wrecking cars in chases, throwing grenades in baby's beds, etc. Moreover, there are not even any statistics kept about how often this happens.

So until journalists dig in, people in Utah don't even know that the only person more likely to kill them than a police officer is a spouse or lover.

Peachs
Peachs

There is something scary about a society that makes life cheap. I always liked Andy Griffin who would try to show Barney how to keep a level head. We now give Barney a gun with six bullets and have him drink four cups of coffee and tell him Thelma Lou was insulted by a black guy.

td1234
td1234

@Peachs "level head" works both ways. When you have people (white or black) that have NO respect for law enforcement or even the laws of the nation and want to confront law enforcement and disobey the law then the theory goes right out of the window. 

Peachs
Peachs

@td1234 @Peachs take two bullets and call me in the morning, the miracle drug of our times.  Cures all that all that infects ya.  Take two bullets and you damn sure won't get cancer...

td1234
td1234

@Peachs @td1234 Do not break the law and act like a fool and you will not get any bullets.

Peachs
Peachs

@DownInAlbany @Peachs could you see Brown in Mayberry?  Floyd cutting his hair?  I wonder if Floyd ever saw a black man in his life. 

GaBlue
GaBlue

@Peachs

I need an Aunt Bea to fix supper and clean up around here. 

Peachs
Peachs

@td1234 @Peachs my mother use to tell me that along with if you want to be happy for the rest of your life get a ugly woman to marry you.  God I miss that woman!!

td1234
td1234

@barkingfrog @td1234 @Peachs The protesters do NOT understand the law and the way the law works. Just because you want a criminal trail does not mean you can have one. File a civil suit and you might get it into a court room. 

barkingfrog
barkingfrog

@td1234 @Peachs If what you say is true why are they clamoring for a trial ?

The protesters want the shooting examined in court. What is lawless about that ?

Philosopher1280
Philosopher1280

@Peachs @td1234 Actually I think it was more like 10 bullets- apparently, it takes at LEAST that many to fell an angry black kid.  Speaking of which, I'd LOVE to know what Darren Wilson said to this kid to make him so angry. That, I'm sure he didn't fess up to... Best I can tell he did not have a history of being an angry kid....or any drugs on board...most folks would run or stand down.