A third ‘President Bush’? Good luck with that one, Jeb

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has just announced that he will “actively explore” a 2016 presidential run. Among other things, the decision means that we face the specter of another Bush v. Clinton race a full 24 years after the first one, which isn’t exactly a scintillating prospect.

jeb-bush-20119761jpg-a137a6bdd738a087In fact, a Bush or Clinton has lived in the White House for 20 of the last 26 years, and that doesn’t count the eight previous years in which George Bush Sr. served as vice president. It’s almost as if the two families have 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue on a time-share basis.

That said, I think Bush’s decision is good news. I disagree with him on a whole raft of issues, but he’s a smart guy, serious about policy and with an instinct for service. We could use more people like that in both parties. In fact, I’d vote him “Republican Most Likely to Succeed,” if by “succeed” we mean serve competently in the White House should he be elected.

The decision certainly changes the dynamic for a lot of other potential candidates. It means that Mitt Romney is less likely to enter the race, since he and Bush would appeal to the same segment of the Republican electorate and the same funding sources as well. Bush’s fellow Floridian, Marco Rubio, also may be forced to delay his inevitable bid for the brass ring for at least another four years. It affects Chris Christie as well, although my bet is that Christie runs anyway and announces soon.

Despite his pedigree — and to a large degree because of it — Bush faces a difficult primary.  After being forced to settle for John McCain and Romney in the last two election cycles, conservative Republicans won’t be happy if forced to accept yet another so-called “moderate” as their party’s standard bearer. And he can protest all he want, but that’s now Bush’s niche. He claims to be conservative and may have been conservative back in 2002, when he ran his most recent race, but in the dozen years since then his party has changed a lot.

On immigration, Jeb has been a vocal advocate of what most Republicans deride as amnesty, although he has also tried to finesse the issue, claiming at various times that he supports and then opposes a path to citizenship. He has also championed the Common Core curriculum that much of the GOP base perceives as a socialist plot to undermine not just education but basic American values. He is the definitive establishment candidate in a party that seems sick and tired even of its own establishment.

If a politician with all that baggage can survive the GOP primaries, it would potentially change the party. I’m just dubious that can happen. Ever since the ’80s, the Republican Party has been pining for its next Ronald Reagan. George Sr. didn’t fit the bill, and neither did his eldest son. Jeb, the second son, doesn’t either. Instead he’s the next Bush, the third Bush, and frankly, it’s a brand with a lot of hard miles on it.

 

 

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DohBee
DohBee

Jebbie wants to form an exploratory committee...ok, send him to the South Pole and he can explore all he wants.

Mick11
Mick11

reb


You're clueless, undo the obama damage?  You mean this:


5.8 unemployment?

Stock market 18,000?

10 million more with healthcare?

2.80 mortgage rates?

$2.50 gas?

NO NEW WARS?

Russia imploding?


Yes, lets move right along and undo it all...here's your first shot;  republican congressman slips in a provision in the cromnibus to allow the banksters to play deritives casino on our dime...that's the way you do it... conned again ...

barkingfrog
barkingfrog

Putin will disappear. He should not have mentioned using nuclear weapons.

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

I like how 53%er whined about not getting any links and then wussied off about five minutes before I posted the links he asked for.


Never forget, 53 -- I'm smarter than you and ahead of you at all times.  Whereas I asked for links and got refused, you asked for links and *received* them -- and yet you still whined and complained.


One day, perhaps you might measure up to me.


LeninTime
LeninTime

@HeadleyLamar 

He better. He really overplayed his hand. Now his economy is in ruins due to dropping oil prices and sanctions. 

***
Again, it's a global economy. Even more so now than at the time of the last Russian currency crisis in 1998. 

And Russia has weapons of its own that it can employ. It's not a one-way street. 



I know your a commie and a conspiracy nut but you cant possibly believe that. Or that Kiev are the "aggressors " 

Did you not hear of the leaked phone conversation with Victoria Nuland, discussing with the US ambassador in Kiev the names Washington favored to lead the country after the coup that toppled Yanukovich? 

Washington had its hands very deep in everything that happened there. 

BigTimeJacketFan
BigTimeJacketFan

Don't worry, Jay.  Sarah and the Tea Party will get this all squared away.

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

The fact that Jeb has some appeal to the Left is indicative of why the base does not want him.

The last two mid-terms, in case you missed it, was not about compromise.

Personally, I don't want to hear" I can work across the aisle."

That's the problem now, too much working across the aisle and compromise.

I want to hear, we will not only stop the Left but unwind much of Obama's damage. 

WoodstockMike
WoodstockMike

132 children murdered today and Jay Bookman was more concerned about not blaming Muslims for it...

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

Russia is hurtling towards an economic crisis as its currency continues to plummet.

In a dramatic overnight move, the Bank of Russia hiked interest rates for a sixth time this year -- to 17% from 10.5% -- but the gamble failed, and the ruble plunged further Tuesday.


Hell im worried about the Russian Government collapsing. 

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

53%er, your requested links are downthread.

Robtown
Robtown

I'd give Jeb a look. I doubt he can make it through the wingnut maze of wingnuttiness, to actually get the nomination, without becoming something he's not.

td1234
td1234

"As a final crash of self-indulgent nonsense, when the incontrovertible truth of your panoramic and murderous deceit has even begun to cost your political party seemingly perpetual congressional seats....When somebody asks you, sir, about the cooked books and faked threats you foisted on a sincere and frightened nation; when somebody asks you, sir, about your gallant, noble, self-abnegating sacrifice of your golf game so as to soothe the families of the war dead; this advice, Mr. Bush: Shut the hell up! Good night and good luck." 

— Olbermann in a "Special Comment" on Countdown, May 14, 2008.


td1234
td1234

On MSNBC you can call a sitting president a "murderous" "fascist" even muse about putting the President on trial for war crimes, so long as that president is a Republican.


Newbusters

fiftythreepercenter
fiftythreepercenter

Now this is truly funny...


The guy who posted this...  "'Oh, someone else said it once or twice, but I can't remember who, so you'll just have to stand in for them as I express my disgust at something you yourself never said.'

------------> Respectfully, that's not a man's argument."<-------------

Posted this just half an hour ago.


"The news isn't going to come to you, so you need to go looking for it yourself.  But seriously, if you look in the right places, it won't take you long at all.  About 5 minutes with Google ought to be plenty of time to find it."


So, Tuna, if YOU'RE asked to provide data to support your arguments, it's "go look it up yourself", but if it's somebody else's argument to support, they're not a man if they don't provide data.  


That's funny as hell.... What a clown!!

LeninTime
LeninTime

So while things are slow, any of the more web savvy among you have any clues why this blog program continues to have such trouble handling hard returns in posts? Causes the thing to completely wig out.

fiftythreepercenter
fiftythreepercenter

Something I find interesting is the liberal media's infatuation with who is running on the R side while they're saying NOTHING about the potential D candidates.  Beyond Hillary, it's crickets.  Not much selection there, libs.  Maybe trot out Biden for a few primaries or something?  Dredge up Al Gore?

td1234
td1234

@Mick11


$7 trillion added debt

Companies moving more and more jobs overseas due regulation and one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world.

Amnesty

65% of households with children receiving means tested programs 

25% of all households on SNAP

Obamacare

td1234
td1234

@Tuna Meowt Anyone that supports the progressive agenda is not smart. 


Just saying

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@JohnnyReb The last two mid-terms, in case you missed it, was not about compromise.


youre right..It was about low turnout and most of the races being in red states. 

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@JohnnyReb What appeal does he have to the left?  I can hardly wait to hear this.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@WoodstockMike 

And I guess that sitting on your duff and whining about the concern of someone else is your way of showing your concern?

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@WoodstockMike What planet do you live on ?


Extremist muslims attacked a school in retaliation FOR Muslims attacking them.


And this was a bad move for them.. Killing kids doesn't go over well.


Especially kids of Generals and military men. They are going to want some blood in return. 



SeriouslyFolks
SeriouslyFolks

@td1234 The fact that Olbermann calls out the President on the deceit foisted upon this country, I do not think equates to calling him a "murderous fascist"...

Indeed, the policies of our government in the "war on terror" was pretty egregious and very clandestine.  It was only afterwards did we learn of what was happening, and it horrified alot of people.

So, while i agree "murderous" may have been harsh, i do not see any harm in the other parts...

But lets remember something.....those were words directed at the President for lying about torture; going to war on false premise......

Now, care to quote what was said about President Obama by Fox when he wanted to grant access to healthcare for millions of Americans??  Do you consider both to be as egregious????

SeriouslyFolks
SeriouslyFolks

@td1234 I assume you have the link to the story where an employee of MSNBC called Bush a "muderous, fascist"????  not a guest.... an employee

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@fiftythreepercenter Which is why I posted the links you asked for, you nutless jester.


Just FYI, I had *already* asked and been denied links.  Whereas when *you* asked for them, I provided them without complaint.


I give what I get.  If you behave politely towards me, you'll get politeness in return.  OTOH, if you act like TeeDee, you'll get treated like him.


Clear?

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@fiftythreepercenter There are quite a few potential candidates.  Mark Warner and Jim Webb in Virginia, Jon Tester and Brian Schweitzer in Montana . . . shall I go on?

LeninTime
LeninTime

@fiftythreepercenter  Dredge up Al Gore?***Um, the system is about to belch up yet another Bush to run, and you're pointing to a poor selection on the Dem side? Your side is in no position to talk.
Just sayin'.

Mick11
Mick11

@td1234 @Mick11


Weak.


How did most of the debt get added?  Not by spending that's for sure...hows about almost a million jobs lost a month for 9 months vis a vi the great recession in 2008 - 2009?  That's lost income revenue.... having more people insured saves money...

The conned can never see the forest for the trees...

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

@HeadleyLamar @JohnnyReb - apparently, it will take another election without Obama on the ballot for you and others to realize the Obama elections were an aberration, an experiment, that did not turn out well.

td1234
td1234

@SeriouslyFolks @td1234 My point to show the hypocrisy of the progressives bloggers that want to berate Obama being called "scum" when progressives called GWB far worse.  

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@JohnnyReb @HeadleyLamar Yeah, and it'll take an election where liberal issues like increasing the minimum wage, rejecting "personhood" amendments and passing medical marijuana proposals don't actually happen -- like they did all over the country in November.


While GOP *candidates* did quite well on Election Day, it was liberal *issues* that carried the day in the ballot box.  You should probably look into that, JReb.


Brosephus
Brosephus

@JohnnyReb 

Abberation?  Seriously?

The Democratic candidate has won the popular vote 5 out of the last 6 presidential elections, winning the White House in four of them.  I don't know what kind of definition you're trying to ascribe to aberration or experiment, but you're failing miserably at your attempt.

Thanks for the laugh though.  I hope you didn't pull a hammy with that atomic stretch you just tried to pull off.

SeriouslyFolks
SeriouslyFolks

@td1234 @SeriouslyFolks And the point i made (as i call out LilB all the time) is that respect the Office...which some have done very little of.

And again...CONTEXT!!!!!!!!!!!  We find out we have been torturing people....illegally....and you equate that anger with the same anger as access to Healthcare?????????????????????????????

TBS
TBS

@td1234 @SeriouslyFolks


Who was named in the article that you obtained the information from?

What was the name of the site?

Give the name of the site and article title then anyone can still look it up.


Thanks

td1234
td1234

@SeriouslyFolks @td1234 For the thousandth time. We did not torture anyone. The DOJ, the President and the Congress leadership (both parties) approved of every technique used and made them lawful so therefore they were NOT torture.  

SeriouslyFolks
SeriouslyFolks

@td1234 @SeriouslyFolks Riiiiiiiight....you keep thinking that.  So why the need to have this whole legal mumbo jumbo about what "is enhanced interrogation"????  I mean its not like the building code where they "update" the "torture manual" every so often....

td1234
td1234

@SeriouslyFolks There is no need the think. Those are FACTS. Holder has investigated these over and over again and NO charges filed therefore there was nothing illegal done. 

td1234
td1234

@TBS Typical. You asked for the information and now you do not care to read it. 

SeriouslyFolks
SeriouslyFolks

@td1234 @SeriouslyFolks So if they are "legal" as you say, then I guess we shouldnt have any problem with out soldiers being tortured like that, huh??  I mean, the Iraqi's would NEVER have done that...remember that whole "SOFA" agreement you guys like to hang around Obama's neck??  The whole "prosecuted under Iraqi law"???? Right??  I mean its "legal" to for them to do that????  right??????????