Cuban embargo had long outlived its justification

cubacarsAt noon, President Obama will announce the opening of talks to normalize relations with Cuba, including discussing an end to the 54-year embargo and the opening of a U.S. embassy in Havana.

It is long past time.

Cuba poses no threat whatsoever to the United States. The embargo, once defensible during the Cold War years, lost any real purpose once the Soviet Union disappeared, which was almost a quarter century ago. It certainly has had no visible effect on the Castro regime, its supposed target. Instead, by insulating Cuba from changes occurring in the outside world and trapping it in amber, the embargo has probably contributed to the regime’s longevity.

We now have normalized relations with and trade with Russia, China, Venezuela, Vietnam and other countries, and over time our refusal to do the same with a small island nation a few miles off the Florida coast became an act of sheer spite and stubbornness. Even much of the Cuban-American exile community in Florida has come to accept that the embargo has outlived its justification.

While Obama will apparently announce a major relaxation of travel and economic restrictions today, as well as opening nation-to-nation talks, a complete end to the embargo will have to be approved by Congress. Cuba is not North Korea; it is not Iran. I’m sure that we’ll hear a few pro forma squawks of outrage from the American right, just for drill, but really, the time has come.

It should have come a long time ago.

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CommonSenseisntCommon
CommonSenseisntCommon

There is hope for the future of major changes in Cuba once the Castro's are gone. China I don't think will make any major changes in any of our lifetimes.


Even though China has changed to a somewhat more capitalistic economy that trickle down from the capitalists hasn't happened so the poverty and abuses continue. 

LeninTime
LeninTime

@CommonSenseisntCommon

Even though China has changed to a somewhat more capitalistic economy that trickle down from the capitalists hasn't happened so the poverty and abuses continue. 

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Why would the change to a more capitalistic economy lead to a "trickling down" of wealth, when that's not what happens anywhere? 

In any case, capitalism is what Cuba had under the Batista dictatorship and under that system Cuba was a poster child for "poverty and abuses". Pre-revolution Cuba looked more like Haiti with the majority of the population suffering in dire poverty without basic necessities like drinking water and electricity, let alone decent health care. 

Whatever the shortcomings of the revolution and the way the Castro government has run the country, and one can certainly criticize it from many angles, to suggest that it is what was standing in the way of the country's emergence from backwardness, when it was precisely the revolution that ushered in something approaching a decent standard of living for the majority of Cubans and not just local compradors and mafiosi, is kind of bizarre.

LeninTime
LeninTime

@CommonSenseisntCommon @LeninTime

Indeed, but what I'm saying is that whatever the problems in how the Castro government runs the country are likely to - no, they're guaranteed - to get worse as the country returns to a de facto neo-colonial status under the US thumb, as pre-1959.

LeninTime
LeninTime

Remember when the CIA headed by Obama's right hand spy man Brennan hacked into Senate computers and tried to intimidate the committee investigating it?  Jay Bookman referred to the allegations at the time as "grave". 

Ah well, turns out it was all cool, says a panel appointed by Brenann himsel. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/20/us/politics/panel-to-advise-against-penalty-for-cia-computer-search.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

TBS
TBS

DDR


If you don't mind me asking what years were you in Thailand?  My dad was also in the military.  

In the early 70s he was an adviser to the Thai army and we lived in Bangkok.  


DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@TBS  -- It took a minute to get back with you on my answer because I had to ask my sister, (she's 15 years older and she remembers more dates/times than I do).


She said we were there from 1979 - 1982.  It was in Bangkok too and we lived on the compound.

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

Since there are no more CFB games on today -- I'm going to spend the day watching all the great games that I saved during the season, (I do this every year -- just for times like these).


I've got some great ones too - lots of FSU games and about 3 Bama games, (the best was Bama vs. Arkansas), naturally I've got the LSU games, I've got a few from Texas, (was really hoping they did better this year), 2 Nebraska games, I've got the VT vs OSU game where Virginia Tech  punked OSU big time!  I'll never erase that one!


I've got a couple of Auburn games, Dudley will wanna watch those today, (I had to erase my Auburn vs. Bama game -- too many bad memories for Dudley); and I've got about 4 Oregon Ducks games -- although they really aren't all that competitive. For a couple of quarters, sure, but afterwards they're all blow outs.


I've got that great game from the Dawgs of Ga vs. Clemson -- Classic!  But I also have the one where they played Florida and got whipped so badly, I had to wear a paper bag at work to stop people from seeing my smiling face, (though I like the dogs, I had bet on Florida --  I won like $200 bucks off of that game!  Sweet!).


I really thought that USC would be a contender this year since they got rid of the alabatross, Lane Kiffin, but they were just so-so.  They had a great roster, but for some reason things are clicking over there yet. 

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@TBS @DebbieDoRight  -- I will NEVER understand the dogs!! NEVER!  How many season were they ranked #1 pre-season based on their roster alone?  It's not like they don't have the talent -- they are OVERLOADED with talent!


I think Richt is a better recruiter than Saban and I just can't understand their sub par performances year after year after year!!


I like the Dogs a lot -- but they're like the boyfriend you've been dating for 4 years who wont' commit and who doesn't want you to leave but is making it hard for you to stay.


Oh and BTW  -- I'll be watching the Belk bowl, (nasty, wicked comments about that bowl -- sure I laughed,, BUT I was crying on the inside  [smirk]), but to have sunk to the level of the BELK BOWL, when this is the same team that DECIMATED Clemson........sigh.......

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@TBS @DebbieDoRight  --


** Florida and New Orleans have nothing on Charlotte this time of year. 


***Dawgs and Cardinals might even do some autograph signing at a suburban mall or a meet and greet with Little E and Tony Stewart


You. Are. Sooooo. Bad!!  But freaking funny!  Wickedly funny!  I had to highlight that part again!! 

TBS
TBS

@DebbieDoRight @TBS


Not even close to Saban.   While top recruiting classes overall are good to have it must be followed up with coaching and development.  Bama's recruiting is usually higher than UGA and the coaching is not even close.  

Richt is an average to  good coach.  Saban is a great coach who surrounds himself with a great staff.  He is the best in the land. 

Plus  I am not a Bobo fan and he is Richts's right hand man.  Bobo is the best O coordinator between the 20s but average down in the red zone where it really counts the most against the top teams.


One more thing while I am whipping my Dawgs.  UGA hardly ever has consistent O and D line play.  They have players at those positions that go the the NFL but usually not 4 to 6 guys on each side that can just play smash mouth week in and week out.  Bama imo is a little off this year on their D line but most years they have 5 to 7 guys on each side of the ball who can play smash mouth all game........ all year.  


Orange15
Orange15

@DebbieDoRight @TBS 


They (UGA) also decimated Auburn and Missouri but when it comes to teams they are supposed to readily handle, they can't hang. I must admit I am somewhat disappointed in the Bowl they were selected by.

TBS
TBS

@DebbieDoRight


Don't forget to watch the Belk Bowl........

Florida and New Orleans have nothing on Charlotte this time of year. 

Dawgs and Cardinals might even do some autograph signing at a suburban mall or a meet and greet with Little E and Tony Stewart.  


Yes I am dogging out my Dawgs and that cheap bowl they are going to be playing in. 

Brosephus
Brosephus

All this talk about human rights stuff is laudable, but it's completely laughable at the same time.  I'd bet that every single poster and reader of this blog has something in their home that has "Made in China" stamped on it somewhere, and didn't have a single thought about Falun Gong when making that purchase.

Just my $.02 as there will be people who're upset about normalization of relations with Cuba and there will be some who're not upset.  I don't recall anyone waging protests about us doing business with Vietnam or Cambodia.  I don't recall people protesting doing business with Russia either.

Normd
Normd

@Brosephus Sorry Bro, thought I was replying to Debbie...

Debbie,

I'm doing sort of the same...,  Making crock pots of beef and bean chili, one of white chili snd one of good ol' home made chicken soup.  We will watch a couple of Xmas movies...my fave is The Christmas Carol With George C. Scott as Scrooge.  I think their are a couple of pro games on too.

TBS
TBS

@Brosephus


Preach it.  

The US has supported, supports and will continue to support tyrants as long as they do our bidding. 

Foreign policy is surely not always cut and dried. But unless some of our regular bloggers are going to call out all repressive governments then their hypocrisy is to be laughed at and scorned as far as I'm concerned. 

TBS
TBS

" Of course, that would require a conscience."


From the blogger who made an assertion about Biden that he has yet to back up or say he misspoke.


The irony meter just broke


Lying Down in Albany speaking of a conscience.


bwhahahahahahahaha


That will be the funniest post of the day and it is still early. 

He will crank up his whines and deflections in 3....2.......1 

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@TBS  This from the blogger that insists on trolling me after, what, 2-3 weeks?  I provided all the info that you need to draw your own conclusion, including a 4-5 minute video, among other links supporting my statement.  IF you review the same and come to a different conclusion, hey, I'm good with that. To each his own.  That, on the other hand does not make me "Lying Down..."  But, carry on, one way or the other.  Makes no difference to me.  It does appear that I've struck a nerve, however...which causes me to slightly chuckle on this rainy, dreary day. 

TBS
TBS

@DownInAlbany @TBS


Just like clock work........... You lied,  OWN IT. 


You did not say it was your opinion or speculation that............

You stated your assertion as fact then provided absolutely nothing that validates your claim that your assertion was fact.

Own your lies.  One thing to say it was your opinion or you misspoke which you have had plenty of time to do but have not.  You didn't say anything close to that because you want so bad to believe that bs so you are good with the lie.  


If you don't like your lies called out there is a simple remedy........... stop lying. 

Try that and see how it works.

You lie and I see it, I will call it out.  You can ignore it or double and triple down on being stupid as you have done with this lie.  That is your choice but know I will call it out. 


Have a great day Lying Down in Albany


PS: Don't let your new blog name get under your skin and strike a nerve.


bwhahahahahah


If you have the time today maybe you can post something besides speculation and just post the official military response that substantiates your claim on the issue in question.

Good man like yourself should have no problem be willing and able to do back up what he says, right?   Yeah right............


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LeninTime
LeninTime

@DownInAlbany Why he thinks anyone owes an apology to a murdering tyrant

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Yeah, like the "murdering tyrants" who blew up Cubana de Aviacion Flight 455, murdering everyone on board including the national fencing team? 

Oh wait! That wasn't Castro, that was perpetrated by a rabidly anti-Castro exile Cuban terrorist organization with close ties to the CIA (who else?).  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubana_de_Aviaci%C3%B3n_Flight_455

But you're right, all the onus must stay on Castro for a perfect human rights record.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@LeninTime @DownInAlbany  Yet, I haven't seen an apology to the folks responsible for this act of terror.  Perhaps, an apology to the victims of the bombing if "we" were in any way involved or complicit. 

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

"I apologized for taking such a long time," Obama said. Castro responded by reminding Obama that the American president was still young enough to beat Castro's brother, former Cuban president and revolutionary leader Fidel Castro, who once gave a 7-hour-long speech.

Why he thinks anyone owes an apology to a murdering tyrant is beyond what any reasonable person can imagine.  Apologize to Fidel Castro?  The man has NO shame.  Dems should hide their faces in shame.  Of course, that would require a conscience.

InTheMiddle2
InTheMiddle2

@DownInAlbany  I suppose it could be considered leading with your strength. Obama is the apologizer we have ever had in the WH.

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@DownInAlbany  --  DIA, I googled the statement, ""I apologized for taking such a long time," Obama said. Castro responded by reminding Obama that the American president was still young enough to beat Castro's brother"  And all it pulled up were Right Wing Websites.  That's it.  And they seem to be quoting the same writer -- no deviation whatsoever in wording or even spacing of the article.


It smells a little like the "Obama is spending $200K per day in India for him and his entourage" story that turned out to be nothing more than a fallacy.


Other headlines I found on the "article originator's" (man who wrote the original article that was then cut and pasted to various other Right Wing articles), website:


**The Pathetic Response On North Korea

**Nonstop Appeasement

**He Never Learns


If you read stuff like that ^^ all the time, no wonder you're angry! 

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

What a yucky, miserable day weather-wise. I will be out hiking with two- and four-legged companions soon but not necessarily looking forward to it.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@stands_for_decibels 

Enjoy it as you could be stuck inside with those companions if you were living somewhere a bit more frigid.


:-)

InTheMiddle2
InTheMiddle2

@stands_for_decibels  Yes it is bad out, just finished my daily stroll with my two little pups, no way I would do a hike today. You are a stout fellow.

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@stands_for_decibels  --  Amen!  I've already done my run with my boys (I like to go early), and it really is awful out there today.  But remember, it beats moving to  Siberia....  (That's what my dad always says when we kids would complain about having to move, AGAIN!)

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@InTheMiddle2 @DebbieDoRight @stands_for_decibels  -- Yep.  Go Army!!  My dad was enlisted at first, then he made Warrant officer and then CWO; and at the end of his tenure they gave him Captain Bars.


I've lived in Germany, Italy, Japan, S. Korea, Thailand, Greece, England, my dad was connected with the Embassy in S. Africa during apartheid, (HATED that one -- we had to have honorary "colored" paperwork so that we could move somewhat freely around the city -- NEVER left the main city or the compound, too much trouble and hassle to travel outside of the city so never had the chance to really explore that country --  not that I wanted to. I haven't been back since I was a kid and probably will NEVER go back -- too many bad memories of that one. ), Brussels, (another embassy tour), and Puerto Rico (although it's considered an "overseas tour" it's actually a US territory so.....).


I've lived in Texas (still do -- my husband  has a place there and we commute back and forth between here and San Antonio), Washington State, (our home base and my folks settled there), Florida, Kansas, South Carolina,  Kentucky, Massachusetts, Alabama, (Ft. Rucker -- really nice place), N. Dakota, Nebraska, California, and Hawaii, (also considered overseas duty).  


I moved to Georgia to go to college but Georgia, (with what 4 Army bases, 2 Marine bases, and about 4 Airforce bases?), was the one place my dad was NEVER stationed!  Go figure!  And that's where I currently reside now.


One thing about being a military brat -- you learn to fit in quickly.  You learn how to make friends.  You learn how to carry yourself in any situation in any country around the world.  You pick up new cultures and dynamics pretty quickly. And you learn to be very flexible.


The greatest gift my folks gave me was the gift of being a Military brat!  Nowhere else could I have gotten the chance to see so much of the world, growing up middle class (more or less middle class), the 8th of 9 children! 

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@stands_for_decibels  --  My dad always SAID, in the past tense!  Now he's back in Washington state and EVERY day there is like today here -- yucky, overcast and dismal!

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@stands_for_decibels 

Y'all are a bunch  of spoiled Southerners. Try, as I have, subzero days in Minnesota with white-out snow conditions. I once sent my child to walk to our neighborhood school but she came back saying it was closed for the blizzard that day.

InTheMiddle2
InTheMiddle2

@DebbieDoRight @InTheMiddle2 @stands_for_decibels  Yes, growing up around the world is an awesome experience. Looks like we had a couple of overlaps, Germany and Japan. I don't remember much about Japan, I was too young, but Germany... WOW. I traveled all over Europe during those years.


9 Children, your parents have got be spectacular.

gotalife
gotalife

If they develop a lie detector, it would end the rw. Period.

gotalife
gotalife

Without lies, there would be no gop or cons. Fact.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@gotalife  The first President in history to be awarded the "Lie of the Year" had a "R" behind his name?


InTheMiddle2
InTheMiddle2

@gotalife  Seriously? That is as a coherent a statement as you can make tonight. Hats off to good bud..

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@gotalife  -- Gotta, click on the link that Bro provided earlier below.  VERY illuminating. 

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@InTheMiddle2 @DebbieDoRight @gotalife  -- Maybe you didn't understand what you read.  It basically said the DA broke the law, he's supposed to uphold, and gloated about it on national television.


This guy is a MENSA candidate.