Aftermath of NYC police killings has been disgusting

A man leaves flowers at an impromptu memorial near the site where two police officers were killed the day in Brooklyn. (AP)

A man leaves flowers at an impromptu memorial near the site where two police officers were killed the day in Brooklyn. (AP)

Saturday’s assassination of two police officers in New York City by a gunman with Georgia ties was terribly tragic, the kind of news that adds a pile of head-shaking sorrow to the holiday season. Not surprisingly, the murderer had a long record of mental illness and crime; a few hours before killing the police officers, he had also shot and tried to kill a former girlfriend in Baltimore.

To make matters worse, though, some people have seized on that tragedy and attempted to turn it to political advantage. For example, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani blamed the murders on “four months of propaganda, starting with the president, that everybody should hate the police.” (Giuliani has yet to identify a single statement from President Obama that would even vaguely justify such a claim).

The president of the New York City police union was even more irresponsible, proclaiming that “there’s blood on many hands tonight…. That blood on the hands starts on the steps of city hall in the office of the mayor.” (While NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio has made repeated statements in support of his police department in the wake of the Eric Garner tragedy, he has also stressed the need to improve police-community relations and to adopt less aggressive police tactics.)

Bernie Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner and a one-time nominee for secretary of Homeland Security, used these actions of a single madman to warn about “a war on law and order” that has the potential to “cause damage far worse than any attack on our country, including that on 9/11/2001.”  (Last year, Kerik was released from federal prison after being sentenced to four years after accepting bribes.) And U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham tried to have it both ways, saying “the tone they’re setting around the rhetoric regarding the cops incites crazy people, but I blame the shooter.”

Frankly, such comments are reprehensible.

Calling for reform of police departments is not a call to go killing officers, and it’s just plain asinine and disrespectful to claim otherwise. Furthermore, allowing protesters to protest is not the first step to declaring open season on law enforcement, and members of the public who raise legitimate questions about public agencies and public servants should not be equated to anarchists engaging in a war on law enforcement.

The hyperbolic response by NYC police union officials is particularly troubling since it comes after similar overheated responses by union officials in St. Louis over the Michael Brown case and in Cleveland over the shooting of a 12-year-old boy by a police officer.

Maybe it’s just me, but when you’re trying to rebut charges that police officers at times overreact to provocation and show poor judgment, that some officers believe themselves immune to civilian oversight, that they cover up for their own even in egregious cases and that they respond to criticism with excessive aggression, such statements don’t help your cause much. To the contrary, they tend to undermine public confidence and confirm what critics say about you. And as much as we might like to argue that such spokesmen aren’t representative of the police rank and file, it’s difficult when they are in fact the chosen representatives of the police rank and file.

Finally, do the names Jerad and Amanda Miller ring a bell?

Last summer, inflamed by the anti-law-enforcement rhetoric surrounding the Cliven Bundy standoff, the Millers took it upon themselves to assassinate two Las Vegas police officers who were eating lunch at a pizza restaurant. They just walked in and blew the two officers away.

As you probably recall, the Bundy case involved scores of militia types in an armed, weeks-long confrontation with federal law enforcement. The threat of violence against law enforcement was quite explicit and palpable, yet Bundy still drew sympathy from a lot of quarters, including Texas Gov. Rick Perry, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky and U.S. Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada. Yet to my knowledge, no major political figures tried to blame Perry, Paul, Heller and others for the subsequent deaths of those two officers. They weren’t accused of having police blood on their hands, or of fomenting war against those who wear the badge, nor should they have been. You could accuse them of exercising poor judgment in their statements about Bundy — in my mind they certainly did so — but they were not advocating or encouraging the murder of police officers.

That kind of accusation is extremely grave, and those who make it have forfeited all public respect.

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KeepinItSimple
KeepinItSimple

Jay, what's disgusting is you still helping to prop up those who support the true criminals in these cases.


Obama first reaction to Ferguson was disgusting.  He also had numerous little barbs after the Grand Jury decision.  Such as:  "Separating that from this particular decision, there are issues in which the law too often feels as if it is being applied in discriminatory fashion."  In essence, he is backing the fact that he felt the law was applied in a discriminatory fashion when in fact it was not.  The LAW did not force the CRIMINAL to rob or physically threaten and choke to store owner.  Nor did it order the CRIMINAL to disobey the officer, slam his door on him when he tried to get, jump in the car and wrestle over a gun, run from the officer, nor turn and charge him before being killed.  The LAW also did not force all those keen eyewitness LIARS from making false statements about being shout in the back with his hand raised (both now known to be false, yet idiots still keep using the hands up nonsense in protests because they are too ignorant to understand the truth).  


That's just one quite out of many I could have used to show that he felt the police were at fault.  I could have used others, or some of his initial quotes which were far more anti-police, but that would take pages.  


No Bookman, the disgusting part is how you Liberal media continue to stoke the fires of unrest and reverse racism with your ridiculous slants JUST TO SELL COPY.  Sooner or later the downtrodden in America will realize exactly what you and your media out are doing.  Spreading lies to make money.


The blood of two police officers is on your hands.  People who risk their lives protecting the 'non-criminal' population from the 'he was a good boy' types like Michael Brown.  I am not even sure if someone like Brown hurting someone dear to you would help you understand.  You would probably blame some white person states away for it.  


Police departments need far less reform than many minority neighborhoods.  Far less.

SueEllenEwing
SueEllenEwing

This country is so paranoid and it should be.


lvg
lvg

Just remeber it was conservative Cobb County that put the cop killer back on the street after his probation was revoked.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

I dunno if Arms_Akimbo is gone or not, but this, from him:

facts like the president, attorney general, and race advisor encouraging protests that call for killing cops?

is really beyond reprehensible.

Unione
Unione

but but but.. foxx news said..... the new liberal shoulder shrug... if you dont have something intelligent to say.. dont embarrass yourself. 


obama and the ag could have gone the direction of actually stating facts.. not riding on the coat tails of sharpton and others  may have helped.. who knows.  crazy people dont need much motivation  

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

Nearly 90 percent of blacks stopped by the NYPD, for example, are found not to be engaged in any crime.

The black officers interviewed said they had been racially profiled by white officers exclusively, and about one third said they made some form of complaint to a supervisor.


    All but one said their supervisors either dismissed the complaints or retaliated against them by denying them overtime, choice assignments, or promotions. The remaining officers who made no complaints said they refrained from doing so either because they feared retribution or because they saw racial profiling as part of the system.


    In declining to comment to Reuters, the NYPD did not respond to a specific request for data showing the racial breakdown of officers who made complaints and how such cases were handled.


“There’s no real outlet to report the abuse,” said Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams, a former NYPD captain who said he was stigmatized and retaliated against throughout his 22-year career for speaking out against racial profiling and police brutality.


    Officers make complaints to the NYPD’s investigative arm, the Internal Affairs Bureau, only to later have their identities leaked, said Adams.


One of the better-known cases of alleged racial profiling of a black policeman concerns Harold Thomas, a decorated detective who retired this year after 30 years of service, including in New York's elite Joint Terrorism Task Force.


    Shortly before 1 a.m. one night in August 2012, Thomas was leaving a birthday party at a trendy New York nightclub.

    Wearing flashy jewelry, green sweatpants and a white t-shirt, Thomas walked toward his brand-new white Escalade when two white police officers approached him. What happened next is in dispute, but an altercation ensued, culminating in Thomas getting his head smashed against the hood of his car and then spun to the ground and put in handcuffs.

Aztec
Aztec

@DebbieDoRight What do you think about having white police officers patrol white neighborhoods and black police officers do the same in black neighborhoods?

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

Curioser and Curioser......Things that make you go Hmmmmm.........:


Off duty, black cops in New York feel threat from fellow police


From the dingy donut shops of Manhattan to the cloistered police watering holes in Brooklyn, a number of black NYPD officers say they have experienced the same racial profiling that cost Eric Garner his life.


Reuters interviewed 25 African American male officers on the NYPD, 15 of whom are retired and 10 of whom are still serving. All but one said that, when off duty and out of uniform, they had been victims of racial profiling, which refers to using race or ethnicity as grounds for suspecting someone of having committed a crime.


http://news.yahoo.com/off-duty-black-cops-york-feel-threat-fellow-170110366.html

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Imagine that.............

Aztec
Aztec

@DebbieDoRight This comes as a big surprise to me.  All this time I thought Eric Garner was actively involved in a crime when he resisted arrest.  I did not know five police officers just decided to do a stop and frisk.  

SueEllenEwing
SueEllenEwing

@DebbieDoRight  My friend, who is a black cop here in not too rural Gawjah has told me of numerous times he has called for backup from so-called fellow officers who didn't respond.   

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

deBlasio is now blaming the media.  The man has NO shame.  He fanned the flames of police hate and got 2 police officers killed.

td1234
td1234

@HeadleyLamar @DownInAlbany After listening to all the hyperbole spewed by Sharpton, Big Bird and Obama. If they were not lying then there would be two more Leo's alive. 

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@consumedconsumer   in 2013, after racist skinhead Michael Page started killing worshipers at an Oak Creek, WI., Sikh temple, and then murdered a police officer, Fox's Andrea Tantaros stressed that the killing spree was an isolated event that didn't have any larger implications. "How do you stop a lunatic?" she asked. "This is not a political issue."


funny how Fox treated that differently isn't it ?

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Captain-Obvious @consumedconsumer Another police assassination attack unfolded in June. Claiming to be acting under the bloody "banner of Liberty and Truth," Jerad Miller and his wife Amanda entered a restaurant Las Vegas executed two local policemen while they at lunch.


As bullets flew, one of the shooters reportedly shouted that the "revolution" had begun. The killers then stripped the officers of their weapons and ammunition and badges, and covered them with cloth that featured the "Don't tread on me" Gadsden flag, which has recently been adopted as a symbol of the tea party movement.


All of that is on Bundy and Sean Hannity's head. 


Blood on their hands !!!!

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Captain-Obvious @consumedconsumer Six days earlier, the shooters had posted a manifesto on Facebook where he announced "we must prepare for war." Jerad Miller, who traveled to Cliven Bundy's Nevada ranch this spring to join the militia protests against the federal government, declared: "To stop this oppression, I fear, can only be accomplished with bloodshed."

Raw Story reported that Miller "left behind social media postings that show his concerns over Benghazi, chemtrails, gun control laws, and the government's treatment of rancher Cliven Bundy." And according to an NBC News report, the shooter had talked to his neighbor about his "desire to overthrow the government and President Obama and kill police officers."

LeninTime
LeninTime

@KUTGF 

Our GOP and RWers continue to fail America's security.  In light of NK alleged attack, would have been nice to be prepared. 

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Sorry to say, but as you wallow in faux left-right polemics the real questions about the supposed 'hack' of Sony Pictures go unasked. 

Did you know that the evidence that N Korea was actually the author of the hacks is actually extremely flimsy, probably much flimsier than the WMDs in Iraq? 

KUTGF
KUTGF

@LeninTime @KUTGF  Lenin, I used the word "alleged" for a reason.  However the need for cybersecurity remains, whether its NK, another country, terrorists or just kids. 

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@LeninTime @KUTGF I'm not convinced they did it either


With their extremely limited resources in a very poor country.


But there sure is a lot of smoke there with the Movie and all.





td1234
td1234

HANNITY: It came from the president on down. Look, you were very clear in speaking out in both the Michael Brown and Eric Garner cases. I don’t see any evidence in either case that they were race-related. I don’t see it. I’ve asked people to bring it to me, show it to me, and I’d be glad to look at it. But the grand juries made their decision.

Do you — who do you — by naming names, who do you blame most for creating this atmosphere that has now existed for months that you talked about earlier, that is…

GIULIANI: Well, I think…

HANNITY: … you know — go ahead.

GIULIANI: I think — I mean, I think the reality is you’ve got to — you’ve got to put the blame first with the president because he makes it nationwide. To have Al Sharpton sit next to you is telling every police officer in America that you’re willing to have as a close adviser somebody who has hated the police for decades, who has helped to cause riots in New York City, who is anti-police before he even knows the facts.

And the reality is, in the Brown case, you couldn’t possibly have a clearer case. All this stuff about his hands up — I mean, that was disproved by seven independent witnesses who are African-American. And they go around perpetuating this. I mean, so I have to put the responsibility at the feet first of the president, and then for the situation in New York at certainly the mayor. I mean, why did this…

HANNITY: So in other words — but I want to be clear here — so basically, they set a narrative in the country that was a false narrative…

GIULIANI: Propaganda!

HANNITY: … that those cases were about race…

GIULIANI: It’s propaganda!

HANNITY: … and that…

GIULIANI: It’s no different than the propaganda they used to have in the Soviet Union! It’s absolute propaganda. Neither — neither — both of those situations were crimes. What we’re talking here — all of this, all of this — we’re talking about crime, about reacting to crime. Where does it occur? Where do you send the police?

Those police officers that were assassinated were moved to that particular precinct from another precinct because there was more crime in the precinct they were in. They’re the ones who were protecting the minority community.

HANNITY: How does a mayor with 40,000 police officers possibly govern a city like New York — and I remember when you were mayor, if a cop got hurt, 3:00 in the morning, you were at the hospital. If a fireman got hurt, 3:00 in the morning, you were at the hospital. I don’t think you missed one time when you were mayor — correct me if I’m wrong…

GIULIANI: No, you’re right.

HANNITY: How do you govern one of the largest cities if you don’t have the support of the police department? How is that possible? What does the mayor need to do?

GIULIANI: Well, the mayor needs to apologize. The mayor — the mayor needs to apologize to the police for having defamed them. If you take the sum total of the mayor’s comments and the president’s comments, they have defamed the police. They’ve created the impression that there is — and I think the president even used these words — I think he did — a systemic problem.

There isn’t a systemic problem of racism! In certain communities, there’s a systemic problem of crime. And then you deal with it. I mean, it used to be a systemic problem of crime with Italians, with the Mafia, and I dealt with that and took plenty of heat for dealing with it. But you deal with it as crime, not as race. You don’t make a racial situation out of it.

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

@td1234 Hannity was talking about Witness #40 a lot in the previous weeks. Now that, other people figured out Witness #40 was lying, He somehow moved on with acknowledging Witness #40 was lying.

KUTGF
KUTGF

@BuckeyeGa @td1234  Cause its not about the facts....its always the predetermined outcome for a few of our RWers.

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@td1234  --"Why did Gardner resist arrest?"


I saw the video, YOU saw the video, EVERYONE saw the video.  Please tell me at what point in the video did you hear the police say, "You're Under Arrest"? 

Arms_Akimbo
Arms_Akimbo

@DebbieDoRight @td1234 

So the problem is racism and not crime? Please tell me why the NY cops were shot on Saturday? They were both minorities by the way.

Arms_Akimbo
Arms_Akimbo

@DebbieDoRight @Arms_Akimbo @td1234 

facts like the president, attorney general, and race advisor encouraging protests that call for killing cops? get a grip. I suppose your solution is for police to stop patrolling minority neighborhoods because they are all racist. The NY cop killer's facebook posts speak volumes but that would be racist.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Captain-Obvious @HeadleyLamar @Arms_Akimbo @DebbieDoRight @td1234   


Hint: There's an actual video of it.


Yeah on Fox News


LOLOLOLOL


Not very reliable to say the least. Remember the broken eye socket ?


after racist skinhead Michael Page started killing worshipers at an Oak Creek, WI., Sikh temple, and then murdered a police officer, Fox's Andrea Tantaros stressed that the killing spree was an isolated event that didn't have any larger implications. "How do you stop a lunatic?" she asked. "This is not a political issue."


funny how Fox treated that differently isn't it ?

td1234
td1234

@DebbieDoRight You did not see when he was jerking his hands and arms away from the officer and backing up to the wall after the officer told him he was under arrest? That is the classic definition of resisting arrest. 

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

@HeadleyLamar @DebbieDoRight @td1234

Even if this issue was considered resisting arrest. The fact that 5 cops couldn't figure out how to arrest 1 unarmed man(besides killing him),  means they should be fired for incompetence. 

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@td1234 @DebbieDoRight Even Kyle admitted he was baffled there wa no indictment in this case. He thought there should have been one. 


It was simply amazing. 

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@Arms_Akimbo @DebbieDoRight @td1234  -- I have no idea.  NO ONE DOES.  the person who shot them is dead.


Perhaps you can get a mystic and have her do a séance and find your answers.  Justa pointing out some facts............

LeninTime
LeninTime

@HeadleyLamar @gotalife 

NATO membership will bring Ukraine the security they need.

And is exactly what the Dictator Putin does not want

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You say, as their country falls apart.  This is a desperate move, as the country is broke and is staring down winter and widespread misery.


Good for them. putin is toast

If you think Putin is "toast" just because life is getting more difficult as the country faces yet another aggression from the west, you clearly don't know anything about Russian history.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@LeninTime @HeadleyLamar @gotalife This is a desperate move, as the country is broke and is staring down winter and widespread misery.


They aren't as broke as Russia whose economy is on the brink of collapse..


And with NATO as a stronger ally they should be just fine. 


And I realize Putin is fine. He controls the media and will just blame all Russia's troubles on the west.


That will fool some of the people.