Paris terrorists attack what they fear most

Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier was among those killed by a terrorist attack Wednesday in Paris.

Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier was among those killed by a terrorist attack Wednesday in Paris.

Terrorists attacked a Paris newspaper office today, killing 12 people, including several cartoonists for Charlie Hebdo, its editor and two police officers. Another 20 were reportedly wounded, some of them seriously.

The attackers wore masks to hide their identity, but they made clear during the assault that their rampage was retribution for cartoons and other material published by Charlie Hebdo that had made fun of Islam and the prophet Muhammad, just as the publication had also satirized Christianity, Judaism, politicians and other public figures.

The gunmen are still at large.

By attacking Charlie Hebdo in such brutal manner, the Islamic extremists made it clear just how much they fear an open society and free-wheeling debate. They do not believe that their vision of society can co-exist with freedom of speech and freedom of conscience, and they’re right. It cannot, which is why their vision of society is doomed and ought to be. They may have killed people, but they cannot kill the ideas that motivated those people. They will lose.

In fact, the attack drew immediate, horrified reaction from mainstream Muslim leaders. The Union of French Islamic Organizations said it condemned “in the firmest manner this criminal attack and these horrible murders.” The head of the Arab League said he strongly condemned the attack, and Al-Azhar University in Cairo, the world’s top Islamic education center, called it a criminal attack and denounced such violence as non-Islamic.

“This extremely grave barbaric action is also an attack against democracy and the freedom of the press,” the French Muslim Council said in a statement. “In this tense international climate stoked by the madness of terrorist groups unjustly claiming to represent Islam, we call on all those attached to the republic’s values and to democracy to avoid provocation.”

Of course, for many none of that will matter. They will pretend not to hear it. No matter how vehemently it is condemned, the attack by Islamic extremists will be used by extremists on the other side to fuel resentment and fear of Muslims in general. And the irony is, that’s precisely the response that the terrorists seek to provoke.

The extremists’ best shot of gaining adherents is to drive a wedge between moderate Islam and the rest of the world, making it more and more difficult for Muslims to live peaceably and equitably in the western world. Make it impossible for them to open mosques, make it impossible for them to get jobs, make it impossible for them to live among us in mutual respect and peace. That too is the terrorists’ goal, and to the degree that we cooperate in that goal, we surrender to them.

Do not surrender to them. Fight them, with the weapons of tolerance, respect and freedom that they fear most.

 

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straker
straker

Lenin - "under the Obama administration"


Even if that were true, Obama will be OUT of office in about two years.


Not enough time to be masters of the world.

straker
straker

Lenin - "intervening at every step"


That may be true.


But these rival factions are going to fight to the death no matter what we do, or don't do.


The Western powers are not kings of the world, no matter what you may think.

LeninTime
LeninTime

@straker

You're sadly mistaken.

It's the Western powers and the Western powers only - really just the US - who are going to "fight to the death" to be masters of the world.

Don't believe me? 

It's all spelled out very clearly, in the "Wolfowitz doctrine". And it's being pursued to the letter right now under the Obama administration. 

You should go read it. 

straker
straker

Lenin - "maybe even worse"


I'm surprised you haven't learned by now that Middle East Islam is in a fight to the finish civil war between rival Islamic ideologies, and it really does not matter what the US does, or doesn't, do. 



LeninTime
LeninTime

@straker

I'm surprised you haven't learned by now that Middle East Islam is in a fight to the finish civil war between rival Islamic ideologies

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That's silly. It's the West - more particularly, the Western powers - that's in a "fight to the finish" with rival Islamic ideologies in the Middle East, just as it has been for at least the last century, intervening at every step to try to ensure that the most retrograde, the most violent and vicious sects of Islam win out over anything modern and secular. And it's the fruits of those efforts that we're now seeing.

barkingfrog
barkingfrog

Terrorism is not about religion. Terrorism is about politics. Political

terrorism can take many forms. Bombs or Bills, both can generate 

fear. Republicans engineered a way to allow  Social Security

Disability be cut 20% in 2016. Terrorists.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

Terrorism was on the way out in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The surge clearly worked.  Petraus eventually got enough troops to make it work

And had America the wisdom to allow a McCain/Palin administration to open a third Terror War Front in Iran in 2009, why, all those Muslims would be so complacent by now, they'd make Uncle Remus look like Malcolm X. 

LeninTime
LeninTime

@stands_for_decibels

But my point below is that what we actually got with Obama was just as bad as anything we would have had with McCain/Palin. Maybe even worse.

The Libya adventure, followed by events in Syria, have now proven just as destabilizing as the Iraq war was.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@LeninTime @stands_for_decibels

At the risk of giving them a pass on Syria and Libya which I'm not...

Iran--much more powerful and capable of wreaking havok than those two much smaller nations--continues to have potential to be a not-crazy player in the region. 

Had a McCain/Palin administration felt the need to feed red meat to their yahoo supporters, I shudder to think what kind of quagmire would've been created.

straker
straker

"unjustly claiming to represent Islam"


But, they think they ARE representing Islam.


Islam is in the mind of the believer.

breckenridge
breckenridge

 "Every good Christian should kick Jerry Falwell right in the -ss." Barry Goldwater, R-Arizona, 1978.



LeninTime
LeninTime

@Yes_Jesus_Can   

Terrorism was on the way out in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The surge clearly worked.  Petraus eventually got enough troops to make it work. 

Why is it blooming now? 

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The destabilizing effects of the toppling of the Gaddafi regime in Libya cannot be overestimated as a causal factor for this resurgence. That along with the campaign to use jihadi forces to topple the regime of Assad in Syria. But no one here is able to acknowledge that, apparently, because it is an example of the great destabilizing aggression of the Obama administration abroad, which both the liberal and con camps are at great pains to close their eyes to.

breckenridge
breckenridge

 “Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives.” Barry Goldwater, R- Arizona.

 



Yes_Jesus_Can
Yes_Jesus_Can

@breckenridge 

There is no modern Christian sect I'm aware of which kills its followers for leaving, such as islam has required throughout its entire history. 

RaindroidWillBoy
RaindroidWillBoy

@breckenridge 

Tax-exempt status doesn't help much.  The decent among them enjoy kudos exactly for imposing will on public policy.

Yes_Jesus_Can
Yes_Jesus_Can

“In this tense international climate stoked by the madness of terrorist groups unjustly claiming to represent Islam, we call on all those attached to the republic’s values and to democracy to avoid provocation.”

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So sayeth the muslim.  Muslims attack innocent Frenchmen, and muslim authorities aren't even contrite about it; merely offering placating words that we ought to respect our (in this case French) values of tolerance and democracy. 

The problem is that islam sanctions lying even more than leftism/progressivism. 

breckenridge
breckenridge

Y-J-C a big part of the problem could be solved if parents taught their kids from a very young age that ancient religious texts are teaching tools, and not to be taken literally.

Mohammed no more flew 700 miles overnight than Noah built an ark when he was 600 years old, or Mary gave birth as a virgin.  Such silliness, such ignorance needs to be relegated to the dustbin of history.

Yes_Jesus_Can
Yes_Jesus_Can

@breckenridge 

The greater point, breck....what you need to understand, and what the country needs to understand most urgently is that the longer you avoid the issue, which is that "such silliness" needs to be relegated and not dealt with directly, you will have similar attacks growing in the soon-to-be formerly free western countries. 

Whether Noah floated or mohammad flew is irrelevant.  That islam says to kill the infidels, and that most muslims sympathize with those who do is the glaring issue here you're avoiding. 

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Yes_Jesus_Can @breckenridge

Whether Noah floated or mohammad flew is irrelevant

Actually it's incredibly relevant. If you're dumb enough to take such things literally, you're dumb enough to believe you have to kill people who use mean words and draw mean pictures.

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@Yes_Jesus_Can @breckenridge "That islam says to kill the infidels, and that most muslims sympathize with those who do"


Given that there are over a billion muslims in the world, I do not believe you.  If *most* of that billion-plus sympathized with them, the world would be a *much* more bloody place than it is.


That simple fact completely demolishes your baseless claim and argument.  You'd be well-advised to stick to talking about your own brand of religion, because your Resident Expert on Islam credentials have just been revoked.


fedup52
fedup52

@Tuna Meowt @Yes_Jesus_Can @breckenridge  The largest population of Muslims reside in Indonesia.  The second largest population of Muslims live in India.  I don't see the minorities in Indonesia being massacred.  I don't see blood flowing in India. 


YJC where do you get your information.

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

When I get remarks to posts like "scared," I know the point was made.

I have work to do.

Try it, you might like it.

barkingfrog
barkingfrog

@JohnnyReb Been there done that. Got the golf shirt and the watch. Kudos

on your working. I depend on it. Thanks.

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@JohnnyReb "When I get remarks to posts like "scared," I know the point was made."


But probably not the point you were trying to get across.


"I have work to do."


I'll have a sausage breakfast sammich on an English muffin and a large Turbo Hot coffee.


LeninTime
LeninTime

@Yes_Jesus_Can 

My point is and has been that islam is a mafia-style organized culture-religion

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Has the church of Rome not shown the exact same characteristics down through history, including very recently? 

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@Yes_Jesus_Can @Tuna Meowt @LeninTime So you would dismiss the fact that your church systematically covered up dozens, if not hundreds or thousands, of sex crimes against children across the world, occurring over many years and multiple generations, just because you have an axe to grind against someone else's religion.


Gotcha.


Yes_Jesus_Can
Yes_Jesus_Can

@Tuna Meowt @Yes_Jesus_Can @KUTGF

Mohammed himself executed non-believers with beheadings, Tuna. You're missing the point. While Christ died teaching us CHRISTIAN teachings (and to teach us them) mohammad killed and converted by conquest--the exact opposite of Christ and His teachings.

Yes_Jesus_Can
Yes_Jesus_Can

@Tuna Meowt @Yes_Jesus_Can @KUTGF 

My point is and has been that islam is a mafia-style organized culture-religion. It isn't just religion, but it requires a rigid society, where, for example, women are oppressed, among other things, and where, for example, you are killed if you try and escape. There's no sense in you trying to deny the difference between this and the foundation of Christianity, which is Jesus Christ. .

RaindroidWillBoy
RaindroidWillBoy

@Yes_Jesus_Can 

What about the multitude of Muslims now intermingled into democratic societies.  Christians have no small number of skeletons in its closet and suggesting or intimating Christianity is a superior dogma is arrogant.

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@Yes_Jesus_Can @Tuna Meowt @KUTGF "Mohammed himself executed non-believers with beheadings, Tuna. You're missing the point."


No, *you're* missing the point.


*ALL* monotheistic religions have flaws, faults and problems.  You're acting as if I'm taking the side of islam, and I'm not.  I put your faith in the same corner in which I put islam.


Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@Yes_Jesus_Can @Tuna Meowt @KUTGF "My point is and has been that islam is a mafia-style organized culture-religion. It isn't just religion, but it requires a rigid society, where, for example, women are oppressed, among other things, and where, for example, you are killed if you try and escape."


Aside from the killing part, you're describing christianity, too.


"There's no sense in you trying to deny the difference between this and the foundation of Christianity, which is Jesus Christ."


There's no sense in you trying to convince me of your beliefs, which make no nevermind to me anyway.

Yes_Jesus_Can
Yes_Jesus_Can

@Tuna Meowt @Yes_Jesus_Can @KUTGF 

And you yourself are a stinking idiot with more flaws than in your little finger than any Christian institution. 

Denying the truth if your fatal flaw, if I may say it. 

Yes_Jesus_Can
Yes_Jesus_Can

@RaindroidWillBoy @Yes_Jesus_Can 

Arrogance is also ignoring the truth.  If you say something with blindness, or quote an enemy as if it is authority, like this French Muslim council, as Jay did, which essentially urges people to not hit back at Muslims, that may be a valid Christian point, which it clearly is.  To not see it as disingenuous and manipulative is arrogance, sophistry and foolishness, which could be fatal to Christians, yes, and to the secular leftists protected by Christian vigilance against violent beliefs--beliefs that the LEFT always overlooks, missing the forest for the trees of its nearby political enemies. 

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@Yes_Jesus_Can @Tuna Meowt @KUTGF "And you yourself are a stinking idiot with more flaws than in your little finger than any Christian institution. "


And yet I'm within my rights to believe or disbelieve your fancy-schmancy little club, as I please.  And that just TORQUES the living spit out of you, because you'd force me to kowtow to your imaginary skyfriend JUST LIKE muslims would, if you only could.


"Denying the truth if your fatal flaw, if I may say it."


Jabbering about the magic you believe in doesn't make the magic truthful or factual in any way.


breckenridge
breckenridge

December 17, 2014 -  “If you want a government that’s gonna intrude on your life, enforce their personal views on you, then I guess Jeb Bush is your man,” Michael Schiavo explained.

George Felos, Schiavo's attorney, described Bush’s actions interference in Schiavo case as, “An egregious example of the fat hand of government inserting itself into a family’s medical decision and the obtrusive hand of government trying to override their decision.” 

Jeb Bush. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.

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@breckenridge Just like the chemo case in Connecticut this week. Cry foul when its a republican but ignore if Dems are involved..  We see how you work 

fedup52
fedup52

@Finn-McCool  They won the election.  They can start their war on the poor and disabled.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Finn-McCool

If no steps are taken by that point, workers suffering from cancer, heart disease or other disabling conditions will see their benefits cut by almost 20 percent.

That's gonna give Paul Ryan a woodie that just won't quit.