GOP trapped by its worst instincts on immigration

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“Dreamers” and their parents participate in a mock citizenship ceremony on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP)

Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives said their piece about immigration reform Wednesday. As expected, what they said wasn’t pretty.

They voted to reverse last fall’s executive order from President Obama that allows illegal immigrants to defer deportation if they have children who are U.S. citizens or permanent legal residents. Over the protests of Democrats and even a few Republicans, they went still further by voting to resume deportation of illegal immigrants who had been brought here as children, the so-called “dreamers” who have been raised here as Americans and know no other home.

That’s the GOP version of immigration reform, and its important to note that every Georgia Republican voted in favor of the bill, including the provision to deport dreamers.

That runs directly counter to the results of a newly released AJC poll,  which reports that 67 percent of Georgians support allowing immigrant parents of U.S. citizens to stay in the country, even if they came here illegally. Only 31 percent oppose it. If opinion in Georgia reflects that of the rest of the country, which seems likely, support for allowing the dreamers to stay would poll even higher than 67 percent.

(UPDATE: According to the poll, 59 percent of Georgia Republicans support allowing illegal-immigrant parents of U.S. citizens to stay; only 40 percent oppose it.)

In that same AJC poll, 55 percent of Georgians said they would support granting permanent legal status to longtime illegal immigrants if they pay a fine, pass a background check and meet other requirements. That’s the dreaded “amnesty” that the GOP so enthusiastically rejects, and that every GOP candidate for president will be required to reject as well. Only 41 percent of Georgians said they share that opposition to amnesty.

In short, even here in Georgia, a conservative state that just re-elected Republicans to every statewide office by significant margins, the GOP’s policy on immigration is considerably more harsh than public opinion would require. It comes across as meanness for the sake of being mean. If I were a Hispanic American, I might start to wonder what was motivating that.

 

 

 

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OriginalProf
OriginalProf

DebbieDoRight, who posted this about 3 hours ago:

"There's a guy who said he browses these comments sometimes, (OldProf), and he equates our dynamic to a high school clique full of mean girls, jocks, and nerds (paraphrased).

Maybe it was just when I tuned in here, but this is the feeling that sometimes comes across...a lot of name-calling that takes up space, sometimes of bloggers who aren't even posting, like the mysterious "ME."  Other times, y'all get going good on the topics posted.


Oh, and FWIW I'm old, I guess--retired from a research university here in Georgia, but I'm a female. That's something else that many of y'all do: assume that everyone who's posting/commenting is male.  They're not.



Recon2/3
Recon2/3

I think Carson would make an excellent VP and once experienced could go on to be an excellent president.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Recon2/3

Carson would make an excellent VP

I wouldn't be real surprised if he were tapped as such by someone considered more moderate (say, Bush.)

headin' upstairs.

Numbers_R_Us
Numbers_R_Us

I see kayaker's reading comprehension continues to decline.

Jefferson1776
Jefferson1776

The GOP are the most misinformed people walking around GA,  clueless.

barkingfrog
barkingfrog

Ben "foot in mouth" Carson has demonstrated his qualifications 

for President by following in the footsteps of GW Bush.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@barkingfrog 

Conservatives wouldn't back Carson though.  He lacks that "executive" experience of running a state.  You know that was very important when comparing the experience of both Palin and Romney in regards to Obama.  No true conservative would elect someone for president that has never held ANY political office before.  You know how much that experience means to conservatives with principles.

kayaker71
kayaker71

If the Koch bros were liberals, backing and funding liberal causes, liberals would be bowing at their feet.  But they don't like liberals or liberal causes.  They are conservative business men who disagree with the liberal spin.  Therefore, they are to be scorned, vilified, and if necessary, destroyed for the way they believe.  Liberals don't like to disagreed with, especially your head liberal in the WH. 

Brosephus
Brosephus

@kayaker71 

If Soros was a conservative, backing and funding conservative causes, conservatives would be bowing at his feet.

What's the difference?  Funny how some people are so friggin' blind to their own biases while they try to castigate others for doing the very same thing.

LeninTime
LeninTime

Both the Kochs and Soros are capitalist vultures. The differences between them are cosmetic. And you can add Buffett to the list too.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

From below:

$33 million in one year to support already-established groups

Ah, so that equals doling out greenbacks to looters, in some folks' vivid imaginations.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@Visual_Cortex 

Upon reading the entirety of the Washington Times piece on Soros, the connection of Soros to Ferguson is the same as the connection of taxpayer money to PP abortions.  Soros has been donating to these groups for a while, and they were involved with different aspects of the protests.  Therefore, Soros funded the protests because he has donated money to groups that were involved with the protests. 

Some people don't need hard and concrete fact to jump to conclusions.

blah blah blah
blah blah blah

@Brosephus @Visual_Cortex So you're going to trivialize a known and established relationship between Soros & so called Ferguson groups...  Interesting...  Sure you don't work for the WH or DOJ??? 

 

Brosephus
Brosephus

@Visual_Cortex 

"Called this by whom?"

Three times blah, of course.  He's the purveyor of all that is true and correct.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@blah blah blah

No, I'm going to trivialize the people who are attempting to push the story that Soros funded the burning and looting of stores in Ferguson.  Big difference, and I indirectly work for the WH.


td1234
td1234

@Brosephus @blah blah blah No, Soros funded the philosophy that advocates the anarchist approach to change. The burning and looting is step to the philosophical goals these groups want to take. 

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

Allright!  I'm out good people.  I have a loooonnnggg day ahead that's about to start.  You guys have a good one and I'll see you for FNM  (or sooner if I'm lucky!)


alexander2
alexander2

First I-20 ice-related accident reported at about 5 am, GDOT responds 2 hours later...MAN, I can't wait for the remake of the 400/285 interchange, should be fun with GDOT involved..in all fairness, Virginia was a joke also.

kayaker71
kayaker71

The Koch bros never funded the burning of businesses, looting and destroying property.  Protest is one thing, how you do it is another.  If you want to call that protest, join the ranks of the other deadbeats out there who need to have this kind of "protest" justified. 

kayaker71
kayaker71

@CommonSenseisntCommon @kayaker71 STFU?  Ask the Washington Post, sport.  They did all of the investigative reporting on this slime ball.  And it you agree with what he did and the end result, you are no better than he is.  Meanwhile, keep your vulgar rants to yourself. 

Brosephus
Brosephus

@CommonSenseisntCommon 

They know Soros hasn't paid for such a thing.  They have to march in lockstep with whatever talking point has been issued.  Independent thought isn't considered such a good thing for some.  It's easier to repeat what you're told instead of researching for yourself to see what's true. 

When your source of news is used to confirm what you already believe, you're not going to look for something that will tell you otherwise.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@kayaker71 
Why ask the Washington Post for something published and pushed by the Washington Times?  Those two news organizations are not one and the same.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@kayaker71

never funded the burning of businesses, looting and destroying property

Does poisoning count as "destroying"?

CommonSenseisntCommon
CommonSenseisntCommon

@kayaker71 

Neither did Soros. If you have proof he paid for the looting and burning produce it and make sure he is charged with the crime otherwise STFU.

EdUktr
EdUktr

Eighty percent of illegals coming across our southern border are adult males.

Yet open borders advocates like Jay always use photos depicting them as mostly women and children.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@EdUktr 

One hundred percent of "Dreamers" are under the age of 30 and were brought here as kids.  Yet, people like EdUktr can't seem to read what Bookman actually writes to understand how the photo goes with what's actually being discussed. 

"The mind is a terrible thing to waste."--Thomas "UNCF" Jefferson

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@CommonSenseisntCommon @Brosephus

The actual quote is even funnier, I'd argue:

"You take the United Negro College Fund model that what a waste it is to lose one's mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."

straker
straker

inTheMiddle - "oh pleeease"


I know you think that's funny.


It is not.


You are though, in a  Carny geek clownish sort of way.

kayaker71
kayaker71

So, the Washington Post has revealed that America's favorite liberal, George Soros poured nearly 33M dollars into the Ferguson protests.  You know, the protest where they burned down businesses, looted and turned over police cars.  Fits right in with the Soros doctrine and the liberals love it. 

Brosephus
Brosephus

@kayaker71 
LOL!!!  It's a free country, and he can spend his money wherever he chooses.  Funny how the right denigrates Soros using free market principles and will defend the Koch's to their very last breath for doing the same.

Selective condemnation rears its head once again at Bookman's.  Personally I don't give a flying rodent's rear what Soros or the Koch's do with their money.

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@CommonSenseisntCommon @Philo_Farnsworth  -- Stop it! just STOP IT Common!!  Stop trying to interject FACTS and REASONING into a conversation with Philo!!

All you're doing is making him think and that hurts his head when he has to think for himself!!

Bad Common! Bad, bad bad!!! 

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@kayaker71

poured nearly 33M dollars

I've heard this a few times in these comments. Do I have to google it or can someone point me to a rational take somewhere...?

_GodlessHeathen_
_GodlessHeathen_

@kayaker71 Where did $33M go?  That kinda cabbage will buy a lot of cardboard and sharpies.  Did they pay the protestors?

Brosephus
Brosephus

@Philo_Farnsworth 

If you were actually telling the truth, you might have a point.  However, as you're telling one of your typical BS lies, you have no point to make.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@Visual_Cortex @kayaker71 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/14/george-soros-funds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/?page=all

There’s a solitary man at the financial center of the Ferguson protest movement. No, it’s not victim Michael Brown or Officer Darren Wilson. It’s not even the Rev. Al Sharpton, despite his ubiquitous campaign on TV and the streets.

Rather, it’s liberal billionaire George Soros, who has built a business empire that dominates across the ocean in Europe while forging a political machine powered by nonprofit foundations that impacts American politics and policy, not unlike what he did with MoveOn.org.

Mr. Soros spurred the Ferguson protest movement through years of funding and mobilizing groups across the U.S., according to interviews with key players and financial records reviewed by The Washington Times.

In all, Mr. Soros gave at least $33 million in one year to support already-established groups that emboldened the grass-roots, on-the-ground activists in Ferguson, according to the most recent tax filings of his nonprofit Open Society Foundations.

The financial tether from Mr. Soros to the activist groups gave rise to a combustible protest movement that transformed a one-day criminal event in Missouri into a 24-hour-a-day national cause celebre.

So, when any groups, related to Koch donations (or Pope in NC) does something bad, these conservatrolls can no longer whine when the Koch's are attached to these groups.  You can't whine or b*tch about something and defend others for the same thing.

Notice that the bold section pretty much suggests that Soros funded the Ferguson protest movement before it even took place.  That's one bad mother***er there.  No wonder conservatives are so fearful of him spending dollars.  He's probably funding the Watts riot of 2018 already.