Only idiots want to start a holy war with Islam

ISIS-AP-2-1The number one goal of ISIS — the one major accomplishment that would make its brutish leaders truly ecstatic — would be to set off a holy war between Islam and Christianity.

And some extremely foolish people want to give ISIS the very victory that they cherish most:

Unfortunately, it’s not just the self-mythologizing blowhard from Fox. U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz has called President Obama “an apologist for radical Islamic terrorists” for his refusal to cast it in religious terms. The Rev. Franklin Graham complains that Obama is protecting Islam because “his whole life, his experiences have been surrounded by Islam. He only knows Islam. And, he’s given a pass to Islam. He’s refusing to accept and understand the evil that is in front of him.”

It is also the subtext of the conservative insistence that Obama utter the words “Islamic terrorist”. What changes once he utters that magic phrase? Nothing, except that it validates those who want to cast this as a conflict between religions. And that’s exactly why some people have become so obsessive about it.

The emotional appeal of that rhetorical approach is obvious. It excites people. It gets them feeling all righteous. It reduces a complex situation to a very simple equation of us vs. them, with “us” and “them” defined in religious terms. And as history tell us, human beings succumb all too easily to such simplicity. Something deep down and dark inside us likes that kind of fight, and once we get started on those terms, it never ends well.

In addition, the cheap emotional high that such an approach produces comes at a very high strategic cost. Succumbing to it is an act of weakness, not of strength. It is surrender to the enemy that we are attempting to fight.

Consider the following:

  • In this supposed holy war, ISIS has killed many more Muslims than Christians. The ratio of Muslim victims to Christian victims of ISIS is probably in the range of 1,000 Muslims for every Christian, and maybe even higher.
  • ISIS terrorists have burned a Jordanian pilot, a devout Muslim, alive in a cage. According to a United Nations report, they have killed thousands of Muslim girls and women in “honor killings.”  They crucify — literally — members of rival Islamic groups for the sin of being too “moderate.” Some of those crucified by ISIS have been as young as seventh grade.
  • Conversely, Muslims have fought harder against ISIS, have killed many more ISIS members, and have suffered many more casualties against ISIS, than have Americans and other Westerners.  Every Muslim government in the region is a bitter foe of ISIS.
  • The Arab League has condemned ISIS for its “crimes against humanity” — an accurate charge — and insisted that “the perpetrators must be held accountable and brought to international justice.” Ahmed al-Tayeb, grand imam of the al-Azhar mosque in Cairo and the most powerful religious leader in Sunni Islam, has condemned ISIS as Satanic. The International Association of Muslim Scholars condemns ISIS as an “extremist organization (that) does not represent Islam in any way and its actions always harm Islam.”

And yet this is a holy war? To the degree that term is accurate, it is a holy war within Islam itself, not a war of Islam against Christianity.

Think about it: Once we cast this as a struggle between Christianity and Islam, what role have we then assigned to those many, many Muslims — Iraqis, Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Kurds, Iranians — who are fighting against ISIS? Once that formulation takes hold, suddenly all of our Muslim allies are fighting against Islam and on the side of Christianity. Who gains from that redefinition of the struggle? It sure isn’t us.

This is not complicated: ISIS wants to make this a battle about religious identity. If we join them in making this a battle about religious identity, ISIS wins and everybody else loses. What kind of idiot would want to do a thing like that?

It isn’t popular in some quarters. It isn’t “politically correct.” But the president is absolutely right:

“The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war.”

Of course, that president was George W. Bush.

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BigTimeJacketFan
BigTimeJacketFan

Jay, you are a pretty major league idiot, so I guess it takes one to know one.


These clowns are on the way.  The question is, where do we want to stop them?  The supreme leader is more interested in regulating (and taxing) the internet, and probably can not point to the Middle East on a map.  This generates a certain amount of consternation for folks that can think.

Cogito Ergo Erras
Cogito Ergo Erras

ROFL. So, while I am not an O'Reilly "fanboy", I was suspicious of David Corn's recent accusations against him in the liberal "rag" Mother Jones. So I did some digging and found this expose of his deceptive "reportage":


http://therightscoop.com/megyn-kelly-exposes-david-corn-and-his-fraudulent-edit-to-romneys-palestinian-remarks/


What is troubling is that you see so-called "mainstream" media blindly parroting (without vetting) Corn's assertions based on tainted evidence a couple of years ago and are now doing it again.  And Jay wants to argue that this media is not biased. If indeed Corn offered a video clip he claimed to be full and complete when it, in fact, was not and only to smear a presidential candidate he disliked, then one can understand why O'Reilly calls him a "despicable guttersnipe."

Normd
Normd

@Penses 


I'm not sure I'd consider "The Right Scoop" as non biased...just saying.  They smell like a Fox News lap dog...

td1234
td1234

@Normd And you would consider David Corn anything more than a far left wing hack? 

Cogito Ergo Erras
Cogito Ergo Erras

@Normd


All the article appears to do is summarize what Kelly talks about in the linked segment. Unless Kelly is dead wrong, Corn essentially provided the world with tainted (edited) evidence to make it appear Romney was saying one thing when, in context, he really wasn't. And THAT is despicable for anyone to do - liberal or conservative. 

juliainatlanta
juliainatlanta

i think that pretty aptly describes those clamoring for war today...

gotalife
gotalife

w's Dad was smart enough to leave Saddam in power and get out..

w, not so much.

InTheMiddle2
InTheMiddle2

@gotalife  Not that you smart enough to figure anything out, at all. But just suppose the Twin Towers were destroyed and thousands killed during the Clinton admin or Bush Sr. admin. Are you possibly suggesting that they would have just sat on their hands?

Eustis
Eustis

@InTheMiddle2 @gotalife  We should have done what we originally set out to do; eliminate Bin Laden and remove the Taliban. 


We took our off the ball by going after Saddam and here we are: we have a wolf by the ear.

InTheMiddle2
InTheMiddle2

@Nobody_Knows @InTheMiddle2 @gotalife  With  20 20 hindsight we know a great deal more now that we knew than. To say that we would make decisions in the 90's based on what we learned years later is a bit presumptive. Now go and try to learn something today and use that to try and change what you did in history.

gotalife
gotalife

First, you have to research their civil war going back centuries.


Then removing saddam and daffy that that kept it locked down.


Then you will understand what is happening in Iraq and Syria.


This is all well known and well warned. There is no military solution.


It is complicated with no easy solutions.

td1234
td1234

@gotalife The Ottoman empire was from 1299 to 1916. Not to much civil wars during that time. 

Ghost Buster
Ghost Buster

And then white imperialists decided to arbitrarily carve up the area based on their own self interest and everything went to shyte. Sort of like when modern cons try to lead.

robbell
robbell

Remember the good old days when they were only beheading Russian soldiers?


 wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Doctrine#mediaviewer/File:Reagan_sitting_with_people_from_the_Afghanistan-Pakistan_region_in_February_1983.jpg

gotalife
gotalife

Now rudy calls him a commie.


Keep digging moron.

TGT88
TGT88

"According to Haykel, the ranks of the Islamic State are deeply infused with religious vigor. Koranic quotations are ubiquitous. “Even the foot soldiers spout this stuff constantly,” Haykel said. “They mug for their cameras and repeat their basic doctrines in formulaic fashion, and they do it all the time.” He regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance. “People want to absolve Islam,” he said. “It’s this ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ mantra. As if there is such a thing as ‘Islam’! It’s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts.” Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. “And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.”


Also:


"But Muslims who call the Islamic State un-Islamic are typically, as the Princeton scholar Bernard Haykel, the leading expert on the group’s theology, told me, “embarrassed and politically correct, with a cotton-candy view of their own religion” that neglects “what their religion has historically and legally required.” Many denials of the Islamic State’s religious nature, he said, are rooted in an “interfaith-Christian-nonsense tradition.”


http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/isis-islamic-apocalypse/

td1234
td1234

"

he one big takeaway from Obama’s speech on the Muslim world’s “legitimate” grievances with the West is simply this. He is on their side.

Obama has made us weak, vulnerable and ripe for attack. The next two years will be brutal.

Obama’s closing remarks at his absurdly titled “Countering Violent Extremism” summit put his denial and obfuscation of the truth once again on display. It’s jihad — just say it. His speech wasn’t about countering Islamic terror, it was about countering “Islamophobia” (a thought crushing device designed to silence criticism of Islam – sharia enforcement). 

Obama can insist that these jihadists are not Islamic all he likes. But they believe they are. They believe they are righteous and devout Muslims, and that’s all that matters, not what Obama wants us to believe they are.

Obama readily criticized Christianity recently – having to go all the way back to the Crusades to do so. But for him, Islam is off limits. For both Islamic supremacists and Obama, Islam is above criticism – at a time when killers motivated by its teachings are wreaking havoc around the globe.

His big idea for fighting against violent extremism? “As part of this summit, we’re announcing that we’re going to increase our outreach to communities, including Muslim Americans. We’re going to step up our efforts to engage with partners and raise awareness so more communities understand how to protect their loved ones from becoming radicalized. We’ve got to devote more resources to these efforts.”

Ghost Buster
Ghost Buster

Exactly how high were you when you penned this? I'd like your answer in "number of bong hits ripped." Based on the length of and fantasy contained in this post, I put the over / under at 16.

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

@td1234 The President didn't need to go to the Crusades to criticized Christianity. He could have went back to the 1960s.

InTheMiddle2
InTheMiddle2

@BuckeyeGa @td1234  "He could have went back to the 1960s" I will admit that I make errors in grammar sometimes, but dang, "have went" that's a keeper.

gotalife
gotalife

Watching HBO  discuss the Atlantic story.


They concluded it is many factors and religion included.


Trying to get the Sunni countries like the Saudis to engage.


The Sunnis are coming back as expected.

gotalife
gotalife

“I see ISIS as a symptom of a much deeper structural set of problems in the Sunni Arab world,” he said. “Which have to do with politics. With education, and the lack thereof. With authoritarianism. With foreign intervention. With the curse of oil … I think that even if ISIS were to disappear, the underlying causes that produce ISIS would not disappear. And those would have to be addressed with decades of policy and reforms and changes — not just by the west, but also by Arab societies as well.”

Ultimately, Haykel appeared to argue that effectively combating ISIS will require more than discerning what “ISIS wants,” theologically speaking. Instead, it also requires a deep, abiding dedication to providing what most Muslims in the region want, and what Wood only briefly addresses in his article: stability, jobs, education, and, most of all, peace.

Just like most human beings in this world.

td1234
td1234

@gotalife So in judgement, we should create jobs in the ME, throw Israel out of their country and maybe a little Obamacare on the side and then all the terrorist are going to be happy and stop killing people? 

td1234
td1234

@gotalife @td1234 What was the Arab world prior to WW1? The British formed the nations in the Arab world after WW1 to ensure they would not unite and become a power. Getaclue is a better screen name. 

td1234
td1234

"Transcript as Follows:

“Hi, I’m Bill O’Reilly  thanks for watching us tonight, more proof the American media is corrupt.

That is the subject of this evening’s Talking Points memo.

This man, 56-year-old David Corn, who works for the far-left magazine,  Mother Jones  smeared me, your humble correspondent, yesterday  saying I had fabricated some war reporting.

Mother Jones, which has low circulation,  considered by many the bottom rung of journalism in America.

However, in this Internet age, the defamation they put forth gets exposure.

And so I have to deal with this garbage tonight. I’m sorry.

Basically, David Corn, a liar, says that I exaggerated situations in the Falklands War and the Salvadoran War.

Here’s the truth, everything I’ve said about my reportorial career, everything, is true.

33 years ago in June, Argentina surrendered to Great Britain, ending the Falklands War.

I was covering the conflict from Argentina and Uruguay for CBS News.

After learning of the surrender, angry mobs in Buenos Aires stormed the presidential palace, the Casa Rosada, trying to overthrow the government of General Leopoldo Galtieri.

I was there on the street with my camera crews.

The violence was horrific, as Argentine soldiers fired into the crowd who were responding with violent acts of their own.

My video of the combat led the ‘CBS Evening News’ with Dan Rather that evening.

And later on, I filed a report, that ran nationwide.

That’s what happened.

I never said I was on the Falkland Islands as Corn purports. I said I covered the Falklands War, which I did.

Now, in what I consider to be a miracle, I found this CBS internal memo from 33 years ago, praising my coverage that day.

The cable was sent to the CBS bureau chief in Buenos Aires by the news desk here in New York City:

‘Doyle, O’Reilly didn’t have the time last night, but would like to say many thanks for the riot piece last night. WCBS-TV and WCAU-TV both took the entire piece, instead of stripping it for pix. They called to say thanks for a fine piece.’

‘Thanks again. Your piece made the late feed, a winner last night.’

Want more? Here it is:

Shortly after my crew and I escaped grave danger on the streets of Buenos Aires, I wrote to CBS News boss Ed Joyce, praising the crew’s bravery.

I have the letter:

‘The crews were great…the riot had been very bad, we were gassed, and shot at, and I had the best vantage point in which to report the story.’

So, we have rock solid proof that David Corn smeared me, and some websites that picked up his defamation, did as well.

Now, I had to spend hours last night on the phone with various reporters, and crawling around my basement covered with dust to find documents from 33 years ago. Again, it was a miracle I found them.

All because an irresponsible guttersnipe, a far-left zealot who has attacked Fox News many times before, spit this stuff out on the net.

And you know what?  Nothing is going to happen to David Corn.

Mother Jones and the far left websites couldn’t care less about the truth.

They’re in business to injure. This is a political hit job.

At this point, TV coverage has been scant, but CNN tried to exploit the situation because a guy over there named Brian Stelter  is another far left zealot masquerading as a journalist.  CNN can do a lot better than this guy.

Real journalists knew the story was BS from the jump.

They knew Corn was trying to take the Brian Williams situation and wrap it around my neck for ideological reasons because he has a history of attacking Fox News.

In addition , Corn actually wrote that I hammered Brian Williams , when everyone knows  I went out of my way on ‘Kimmel’ and the ‘Factor’ to be compassionate to the man.

Corn must think the folks are as dumb as he is."

td1234
td1234

@gotalife @td1234 No, it is David Corn and all the other far left kooks POS's that should be fired and deported immediately. 

YouLibs
YouLibs

@td1234 @gotalife


I always think of Jesus when I read your posts, specifically your claims to be a follower of Christ.


There's some nice fruit to be known by right there.


td1234
td1234

@YouLibs @td1234 @gotalife If you ever thought about Jesus and cared then you would change your screen name immediately because there is not way Jesus would ever support the progressive movement with their killing babies, gay marriage and denying God three times at their convention. 

td1234
td1234

@CherokeeCounty Same statement to you. You can not possibly be a follower of Christ or even care about Christ when you know good and well he would NEVER support abortion or gay marriage. 

gotalife
gotalife

"“Let’s say you were an Iraqi, and you’ve had your entire family wiped out by the Shia government of Baghdad. Or you’ve seen your sister raped, or your brother tortured. Then you feel like you have nothing to lose, and the only way to respond to this is to resort to violence. And ISIS provides a ready-made ideology and package and movement to express that sense of rage.”

Good stuff on isis that is not just about religion.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/02/20/3625446/atlantic-left-isis-conversation-bernard-haykel/

gotalife
gotalife

Moody's Cuts Russia Credit Rating To Junk

Winning.

td1234
td1234

The History channel is showing what a real American hero looks like not the fake one the progressives worship on a daily basis on this site. 

td1234
td1234

@YouLibs @td1234 Chris Kyle is a true American hero while Obama is the worst President this country has had since Hoover. How hard is that to believe? 

YouLibs
YouLibs

@td1234


I swear, I think you have the positive wire hooked up to the negative post and vice versa.


Level with me, td, is it a schtick?

gotalife
gotalife

Dow, S&P 500 Hit Record Highs After Greece Debt Deal

Winning.

Soothsayer2
Soothsayer2

It's snowing "right smart" up here right now.

Everything's starting to turn white.

Thank GOD I went to the grocery store today!