Someday, someday …

I’ve seen a lot and done a lot, but so far, I’ve never made it down to New Orleans for Mardi Gras or even JazzFest, and I’ve never made it down to Florida for spring training. And since Mardi Gras 2015 was Tuesday and my schedule for the rest of the spring looks packed, I won’t be scratching them off my list anytime soon.

But I promise myself that someday, someday …

The Rebirth Brass Band plays tomorrow night at Terminal West on Marietta.

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JamVet
JamVet

Good morning from Tucson, all.

Heading back to NorCal this afternoon and will miss this place.

Lots of great stuff to see and do here.

A very interesting conversation about mainstream/retrograde music below.

I don't profess to know a damn thing about music theory or etymology.

(I'm just a kid from Kansas!)

But I damn sure know what I like and what I don't.

Label it how you will.

If it speaks to me, I'll play it, if it don't, I don't.

And why I am all over the board in terms of styles, artists, genres, etc.

Mainstream or revolutionary?

Who knows?

Who cares?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHwqu_kfhAQ

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@JamVet

One of their earliest "thoughtful" tunes, on their debut (ten tracks recorded in one day!) album. Just felt like grouping it along with yers, JV.

It might be sacrilege to say this, but I iinda wish that they had paced it about ten bpm slower. It needs to run a bit longer than 1m51sec.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIjzAHLfkQ

Normd
Normd

@skydog12 @JamVet 


Sky,

Not only are you normal, but you are sane.  No sane person likes war...

skydog12
skydog12

@Visual_Cortex @Normd @skydog12 @JamVet


I can watch boxing or a skateboarder come off a 2 story building onto a handrail, but I can not watch Ultimate Fighting. 


I love football, but I would never encourage a kid to play.


This is normal?

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

Just reposting something from Bruno below:

After a while, though, I questioned this "wisdom", and began appreciating the "mainstream" groups a lot more, understanding that it takes just as much genius to write a quality song within an established genre as it does to break new ground.

Yeah, I think most anyone who follows this stuff with any degree of fandom, or seriousness, or whatever you want to call it, winds up coming around to something like that. It's not so much a lib/con split (although I think your point is valid) as maturity that makes us appreciate the craftsmanship, and flat-out hard work of editing, reworking, stripping down and/or beefing up material until it seems to work, whether it's one's own go-to genre or someone else's.

skydog12
skydog12

@Visual_Cortex


Boston, Kansas, and Aerosmith etc., were not new genres. Just other rock and roll bands who didin`t rise to the top.


Neo country is not a new genre. Just watered down rock and roll with fans that don`t know any difference. Most neo country fans like how these artist look in their "skin jeans" rather than what the artist sounds like.


Luke Bryan, from Down in Albany, is selling a ton of records. Not because he is all that as a musician, they want to "do" him.

Blue jean lust is OK, just don`t confuse it with good music.


Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@skydog12 @Visual_Cortex

Without getting too deep into the weeds, we have to remember that the entertainment world is driven by "blue jean lust," it's what's sold records and filled arenas for decades. Some of the objects of that lust go on to either surprise us and create great work or, perhaps, produce, mentor, manage, etc., music that inspires them and gets it out in front of the public.

(I guess this is a roundabout way of saying one mustn't hate the player, but rather the game?)

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

At the start of this thread I paid homage to Lesley Gore, who passed away earlier this week.

One of my favorite-ever covers done by Bryan Ferry has to be this one--and I got such a kick, back in the 70s when I first heard this, and realized that Bryan chose to leave the gender as is.

It's still loads of fun, and somewhere up there I'm sure Lesley grins every time it's played.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9fAQc3MXic

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Bruno2

One of the few things I've heard from Ms. Ciccone that I liked right off the bat, and still like.

Bruno2
Bruno2

VC: I guess what always irritated me about Aerosmith was how retrograde they seemed at the time. in the mid/late-70s, you had all these cool rock outfits pushing the limits and messing with everyone's idea of what you could do with the genre--and then you had what sound to me, anyway, like slavish imitations of the Who/Stones/Zep--your Aerosmiths, your Journeys, your Bostons, etc.

To clarify, I was using the word "commercial" in the same way you are using "retrograde", and not in relation to whether a band becomes financially successful or not or ends up on the radio.

My interest in your point ties in with my experiences going off to college in California in the late 70s.  At my particular school, there was a certain social pressure to not play "mainstream" groups.  Everything had to be new and with an edge to it to be considered cool.  Even the Who, Stones and Zep were considered passe, let alone anything like Boson or Journey.  After a while, though, I questioned this "wisdom", and began appreciating the "mainstream" groups a lot more, understanding that it takes just as much genius to write a quality song within an established genre as it does to break new ground.  And, to be honest, very little of that "ground-breaking" music ever holds up well over time, while the classics endure.

In the end, I think it boils down to one more Lib/Con difference. Cons prefer the tried and true, while Libs are always on the hunt for something new.  Generally speaking, of course.

Point
Point

@Bruno2  Not always hunting for something new, just enjoy more than one genre, willing to give new music a chance!

skydog12
skydog12

@Bruno2


How can cons listen to groups that are obviously left wingers, knowing the bands don`t agree with you or like you? 


Rock and Roll, Blues, Hip Hop, and Jazz is the music of rebellion against the establishment. Ya`ll are the establishment.


You can rewrite history if you want, but we all know you are lying.


Sorry for writing the truth, but there is no middle ground. You are with us or you are the enemy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guUN-5Xpdt0

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

No, not that "theme from Cheers." but I figured this one fit tonight's theme, somehow.

When I'm an old man, I can be the quiet type,
and I can go without a moment of fun for the rest of my life.
I can read a good book, and I can be in bed by ten,
and I can get up early, go to work and come home, and start it all over again.

But while we're young, boys, everybody raise your glasses high,
Singing, 'Here's to the good times, here's to the home team.
Kiss the good times goodbye, oh yeah,
Kiss the good times goodbye.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDwltcAo_Bg

Bruno2
Bruno2

Jay: But I promise myself that someday, someday …

I'm just now starting on my own bucket list, and hope to scratch visiting San Francisco and the Grand Canyon off this year.

I've been mulling it over on your behalf, Jay, and I just don't see you as a Mardis Gras type of guy.  It's all about being crammed together with insanely drunk people who don't keep their body parts to themselves.  I don't think you have enough gutter in you to really enjoy the experience.  If you do go, for God's sake don't take your wife.  She's definitely way too classy for that scene.

skydog12
skydog12

@Bruno2


Not what I`ve experienced. 


If you hang out in the "amateur zone" ~ Bourbon St., anything can happen. You are with the punk drunks. 


There are 5 other areas spread over 20 miles with parades and parties. Blues and Jazz clubs in all areas.


I take my wife everywhere I go. That`s why I have a wife.

Bruno2
Bruno2

@skydog12 @Bruno2 Well, my wife threatened to leave me 5 times when we went to New Orleans, and it wasn't even during Mardi Gras.  That's why I don't have a wife.


I spent most of my time on Bourbon Street with the drunks, that's what I came for. I'm usually your typical tourist when I go places.

skydog12
skydog12

@Bruno2 @skydog12


I had already figured that out.


Follow your ears, heart, and feet. They don`t know what trend is happening.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

So the fambly & I are probably going to settle back, soon, and watch a treasured MST3K episode, featuring this awesome list of nicknames for the terrible movie's meathead protagonist.

If you're ever stumped for a screen name, you could do worse than to pick one of these...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHY 

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

Some of you probably know that, back in 2004, Ray Davies got shot in New Orleans after rather foolishly taking on some street thug who'd held him up.

Most, however, don't know that this is a song he wrote about his long, difficult hospital recovery, and the characters in his midst.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgXUqQYS6Rw

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

I happened to hear Davy Jo interviewed by WNYC's Leonard Lopate earlier this week, which got me plopping this disk into rotation (ok, I called up the mp3s), and all I could think was "why didn't America adopt these guys as their surrogate Rolling Stones, rather than that terrible Aerosmith outfit"? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YVgw7QO8uw

Bruno2
Bruno2

@Visual_Cortex If it helps, Joe Perry lists the NY Dolls as one of his main rock-and-roll influences.

Bruno2
Bruno2

@Visual_Cortex @Bruno2 I know you hate "commercial" music, but Aerosmith was original for their time.  At least in the 70s.  When they teamed up with Desmond Child later on in the 80s,  then you have a point.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Bruno2 @Visual_Cortex

Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's not so much "commercial" music--lots of stuff that hit big back in the day also happened to be pretty great. I was super happy, for example, when Talking Heads, the B-52s, Blondie, etc. wound up getting their turns on Top 40 radio and playing to big crowds.

I guess what always irritated me about Aerosmith was how retrograde they seemed at the time. in the mid/late-70s, you had all these cool rock outfits pushing the limits and messing with everyone's idea of what you could do with the genre--and then you had what sound to me, anyway, like slavish imitations of the Who/Stones/Zep--your Aerosmiths, your Journeys, your Bostons, etc.

Yeah, it's all sounding quite petty now, and yeah, all those bands I just mentioned wound up doing some great songs that are about a thousand times better than anything I could cough up with a backing band and a studio and a big budget...

Gmare
Gmare

And speaking of weather, light snow is.falling here in beautiful downtown Smyrna & seems to be sticking.