Homeland Security funding a test of GOP’s political maturity

mitchBack in November, after the Republican Party claimed control of both chambers of Congress, Mitch McConnell assured us that the party would finally demonstrate to the American people that it is capable of the hard work of governing. As a test of that political maturity, he offered a promise: Whatever happened, the Department of Homeland Security would not be shut down in a fight over immigration policy.

The Department of Homeland Security is three days from shutting down in a fight over immigration policy.

If a funding bill can’t be passed through both the Republican House and Republican Senate and then signed by President Obama by Friday, non-essential DHS personnel would be sent home. GOP leaders reassure us that the impact won’t be too bad, because essential DHS personnel, particularly those in law enforcement, would still report to work. However, they would be expected to do so without pay.

Think about that: Essential government employees would still be doing their job, in some cases putting their lives on the line they would just do so without a paycheck. Meanwhile, members of Congress who had proved incapable of doing the most basic part of their jobs? Their paychecks would still keep coming. Funny how that works.

The House GOP is forcing the standoff as a way to protest President Obama’s policy of deferred prosecution for certain groups of illegal immigrants, most notably those who were brought here as small children and have been raised in this country. Republican congressmen are refusing to fund DHS unless the president agrees to end that program and resume the forced deportation of the so-called dreamers.

That simply is not going to happen.

However, there are other options. Last week, a federal judge friendly to the GOP put Obama’s policy on temporary hold, a step that the administration is appealing. If the GOP were confident in the legal merits of its argument, the smart thing to do would be to would fund DHS and let those legal merits play out in court. Nothing would drive home their point better than having a final judgment from the legal system that President Obama had overstepped the constitutional bounds of his authority.

But even that  prospect isn’t enough to break the logjam.

Compounding the irony, the GOP position is doomed and everyone knows it is doomed. A large majority of Americans — and even a majority of Republicans — have repeatedly told pollsters that they reject the GOP’s position and want some way to bring those 11 million immigrants out of the shadows and into the light, where they can live and work legally and even attain citizenship. Sooner or later, that’s going to be the outcome of all this; the only question is how much damage the GOP will do to itself, the country and immigrant families in the meantime.

Many of those with a realistic chance at the GOP presidential nomination understand that quite well. Sen. Marco Rubio was a co-sponsor of a Senate bill that would give those immigrants a pathway to citizenship. Jeb Bush is also a supporter of “amnesty.” Even Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, the current heartthrob of conservatives, has expressed repeated support as far back as 2002 for so-called “amnesty”.

Of course, Walker has since attempted to deny that position, in one case claiming that he had been misquoted until a videotape emerged of his statement. Caught in that deception, he now argues instead that his position has changed and that he steadfastly opposes amnesty.

As Eliana Johnson describes it in National Review:

“Whether rank-and-file Republicans will buy (Walker’s reversal) is another question, but they are certainly hungry for a viable challenger to the establishment pick. As a result, they may prove forgiving of past ideological indiscretions so long as Walker is toeing the line now.”

And that’s really what it’s all about: Ideological rigidity and toeing the line. A certain element of the GOP is insisting that the party tie its future to a politically unsustainable, impractical, immoral and inhumane policy. And the rest of the party lacks the leadership and the guts to challenge them on it.

 

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Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

Historical tidbit about an American hero from Scott Walker's state.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/House_Member_Introduces_Resolution_To_Abolish_the_Senate.htm

April 27, 1911
House Member Introduces Resolution to Abolish the Senate

"Whereas the Senate in particular has become an obstructive and useless body, a menace to the liberties of the people, and an obstacle to social growth; a body, many of the Members of which are representatives neither of a State nor of its people, but solely of certain predatory combinations, and a body which, by reason of the corruption often attending the election of its Members, has furnished the gravest public scandals in the history of the nation. . . ."

This text formed the preamble to a constitutional amendment introduced in the House of Representatives on April 27, 1911, by that chamber's first Socialist member, Victor Berger of Wisconsin. 

[...]

As with nearly all of the more than 11,000 constitutional amendments introduced from 1789 to our own day, Berger's proposal died silently in committee. Yet, less than seven weeks later, perhaps nudged by Berger's gesture, the Senate approved its long-delayed direct-election resolution, which would soon be ratified as the Constitution's 17th Amendment.


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(see how that "nudging" thing works?)

EdUktr
EdUktr

If the Republican Senate leaders cave on illegal immigration they'll be left depending on their new liberal "friends" in the media for votes in the next general election.

I hope Johnny Isakson and David Perdue don't need reminding of that. 

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

@EdUktr 


Ahh I love it. Dems have the filibuster and the veto, but idiotic Republicans still have to play to their deranged 'base.' And if they dare to make compromises to actually keep our security apparatus in operation, they've 'caved.'


Good times.

josef
josef

Okay, gotta run.  It's almost midnight CST and I better finish this sandwich 'cause we know what I'll turn into... LOL

lvg
lvg

Please explain how taking a deranged veteran with ptsd to a shooting range is a form of therapy?  Is that somewheres in the NRA/Scalia manual of fundamental rights?

GaBlue
GaBlue

@lvg

I also wondered this. Josef's son works with PTSD veterans, and said that it helps them over the "sound trigger" -- freaking out/flashing back at loud noises and such. That makes sense for some folks, but was probably not the best decision in this unfortunate case. My thoughts: wouldn't a cooking class be good for them? You know, a way to deal with the munchies brought about by herbal enhancement? Gotta eat anyway. Why not help make it fun, creative, and something one can share?

josef
josef

@GaBlue @lvg 


Thanks for picking up on that one for me.  I had a set to with skydog below.  It seems he has become a therapist himself.  But as we were saying the other night, this is an area that us laymen need to educate ourselves on before we go spouting off like we know what we're talking about.


Now, as far as YOUR therapy, that, too, can and is an element of some recovery/coping plans.  It helps to bring the client back into the "joy of daily living" realm.  And the herbal enhancement?  Well, yes, with a medical prescription!  This, too, has to be monitored since in some cases it leads to a paranoia, while in others it has more positive effects.


And boy child says to tell you thank you for showing the interest and helping to "get the word out" to the general public.


Tiberius-Constitutionus
Tiberius-Constitutionus

Q: How come izzit that Eddie Ray Routh gets life and not death?


A: 'Cos he's a whitey. (You could say it's an extension of "da black man" rule.)

InTheMiddle2
InTheMiddle2

@Tiberius-Constitutionus  Wait a second. Did somebody leak the secret "white guy" sentencing guidelines. I guess we are going to need another secret white guy meeting to review communication protocols. Remember, if you are ever pulled over by police, make sure you show them you "white guy" membership card, also good for discounts at your favorite restaurants and stores.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

I gotta go. Can't stand to be around any more of these people on the far left that love to hate on American heroes. They make me sick to my stomach. 

skydog12
skydog12

@Doom Classical liberal


 The Film Portrays Chris Kyle as Tormented By His Actions: Multiple scenes in the movie portray Kyle as haunted by his service. One of the film’s earliest reviews praised it for showing the “emotional torment of so many military men and women.” But that torment is completely absent from the book the film is based on. In the book, Kyle refers to everyone he fought as “savage, despicable” evil. He writes, “I only wish I had killed more.” He also writes, “I loved what I did. I still do. If circumstances were different – if my family didn’t need me – I’d be back in a heartbeat. I’m not lying or exaggerating to say it was fun. I had the time of my life being a SEAL.” On an appearance on Conan O’Brien’s show he laughs about accidentally shooting an Iraqi insurgent. He once told a military investigator that he doesn’t “shoot people with Korans. I’d like to, but I don’t.”


4. The Real Chris Kyle Made Up A Story About Killing Dozens of People In Post-Katrina New Orleans: Kyle claimed that he killed 30 people in the chaos of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, a story Louisiana writer Jarvis DeBerry calls “preposterous.”  It shows the sort of mentality post-war Kyle had, but the claim doesn’t appear in the film.

5. The Real Chris Kyle Fabricated A Story About Killing Two Men Who Tried To Carjack Him In Texas: Kyle told numerous people a story about killing two alleged carjackers in Texas. Reporters tried repeatedly to verify this claim, but no evidence of it exists.

6. Chris Kyle Was Successfully Sued For Lying About the Former Governor of Minnesota: Kyle alleged that former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura defamed Navy SEALs and got into a fight with him at a local bar. Ventura successfully sued Kyle for the passage in his book, and a jury awarded him $1.845 million.

7. Chris Kyle’s Family Claimed He Donated His Book Proceeds To Veterans’ Charity, But He Kept Most Of The Profits: The National Review debunks the claim that all proceeds of his book went to veterans’ charities. Around 2 percent – $52,000 – went to the charities while the Kyles pocketed $3 million.

GaBlue
GaBlue

@Doom Classical liberal

We should all learn to hate the same people DoomBuckets hates. Then he won't have to spend so much on pepto. HEY, maybe if we're lucky, he'll give us a list!

J T
J T

Hey Jay- here's an idea, for once in your life why don't you tell the truth.  You know, like journalists are supposed to do.  I know, I know; your not a real journalist, you work for the AJC.  But hey, lets pretend for a second:


There are more than 50 votes in the Senate in favor of funding Homeland Security with the amendment stopping Obama's highly illegal Amnesty.  The problem is that the Democrats are refusing to hold a vote on it.  That's right the Democrats are holding this up.  

CherokeeCounty
CherokeeCounty

@J T  And in the real world, the Republicans are in charge of the Senate and they've held four votes, all of which have failed.

JamVet
JamVet

The war was won and then Obama lost the peace by pulling the troops out. 

Public displays of staggering stupidity, ain't they great?

Outside of a mental institution, you simply cannot find comedy this good!

LOL!

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

"Getting a couple together for the spring..."


My gf bought 4 of those hanging pots with pansies or some type of flower in em. Can't remember what they were. But we hung them up on my porch out front. Next thing I know 2 different birds- 1 finch, and I think the 2nd family was finches or sparrows, were raising young in 2 of the pots. It was really cool. Watched em grow up and fly away and the pots were eye level so I could peek in at their progress all the time. 

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@josef


I know one set was finches and I think the 2nd set was although sparrows and finches look a lot alike to me. It was indeed awesome checking on their progess all the time. What's more is that all the chicks lived and we watched a couple of them fly off for the first time. 

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

"The House GOP is forcing the standoff as a way to protest President Obama’s policy of deferred prosecution for certain groups of illegal immigrants, most notably those who were brought here as small children and have been raised in this country. Republican congressmen are refusing to fund DHS unless the president agrees to end that program and resume the forced deportation of the so-called dreamers."


Well, so that's why Glynco is prepping to shut down.

wow, let me know how that works out for you, republicans.


td1234
td1234

@St_Simons_he-ne-ha It has worked out pretty well so far considering the Republicans hold more state legislatures and governors mansions than anytime is the history of the party and hold an unbeatable majority is the HOR until at least 2022 and the US Senate. 


And I would not place a life changing wager on the next President being Hillary either. The Koch brothers have invested hundreds of millions of dollars into the get out the vote effort of the GOP and I think they have not made billions by not understanding how to make something work best to their benefit. 

AyeAyeSir
AyeAyeSir

Sniper trial ................ GUILTY (life without parole) !

LeninTime
LeninTime

@Doom Classical liberal

I say sordid in reference to his deeply confused views about enemies and his dedication to a mission of violence that was entirely misplaced.

Is it possible to speak of "heroism" exhibited by someone in a fundamentally unjust cause? In some cases, no doubt. But from what I understand of it, Chris Kyle was not one of those cases.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@skydog12


You've never told a lie in your life? Ever? And even if he did lie about punching Ventura, which is still debatable, that one thing doesn't overshadow his incredible service record. 


That you should ignore his stellar military record and focus instead on one possible lie about an altercation with Ventura speaks volumes about your mindset. 

td1234
td1234

@skydog12 It is not the gun culture but rather the pansy culture you idolize that is the problem. 

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@LeninTime


What exactly, is sordid? And what exactly is repugnant about respecting the heroism of a U.S. soldier who performed so heroically?

td1234
td1234

@AyeAyeSir I am torn on that decision. He is guilty but the guy is crazy also. 

skydog12
skydog12

@td1234 @AyeAyeSir


His friends were crazy for taking him to the gun range for PDSS therapy. 


It`s the gun queer mentality. 


Guns gave him PDSS, so lets expose him to more guns. Brilliant.


I punched out Jessie Ventura. Yeah, sure you did. You did get your friend off the street before he killed some anonymous people. Birds of a feather.




josef
josef

@skydog12 @td1234 @AyeAyeSir 


SKYDOG


Actually, it should not have been his friends, but a therapist who took him.  It is used at certain stages for certain types of PTS "trigger."

skydog12
skydog12

@td1234 @skydog12


OK Dirty Harry. 


Just owning a gun does not guaranty you anything. You have to shoot better than your opponent.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@td1234 @AyeAyeSir


He was definitely troubled. But I don't think he was insane. Its not just unfortunate for Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield but for this man as well. 

skydog12
skydog12

@josef @skydog12 @td1234 @AyeAyeSir


josef,


Probably a lot of job openings for PTS therapist? Give a crazy person a fully automatic weapon? Not me.


What if you were a Tank Commander? Do you get to go fire a few tank rounds?


Get the F out of all these wars....or don`t. I am not getting around any of these gun geeks.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@skydog12 @td1234 @AyeAyeSir 


A lot of people find shooting at the range therapeutic. Don't know why you want to criticize that. Just a different hobby or thing to do that some people enjoy. And mind you several of the progs on this board like to go to a shooting range.  


"I punched out Jessie Ventura. Yeah, sure you did. You did get your friend off the street before he killed some anonymous people. Birds of a feather."


Pretty dirtbag move of you to go into a diatribe about Chris Kyle. All you do is reinforce the con view that some progs are POS punks that would stoop to the level of hating on an American war hero. 

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@skydog12


 "I am not getting around any of these gun geeks."


Guess that eliminates you from hanging out with several of the progs on here that enjoy their guns. 

josef
josef

@skydog12 @josef @td1234 @AyeAyeSir 


Seriously.  My boy, the one who served in Bosnia, Kossovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan, is a PTS therapist and advocate. His own specialty area is using the arts as therapy.  He's finishing up his doctorate at UCal as one of the first in their program.  There is a need for therapists in various stages/types of rehab.  Not every case is the same and what one individual may need or what may work in his/her case may not in another.  And, yes, for tank commanders, that may be an element of the individual's recovery program. 



josef
josef

@skydog12 @josef @td1234 @AyeAyeSir 


So, now you're a therapist?  You may know a little about a few things, but you're out of your pay scale on this one. 


Like Scout and his Muslims and Obama, you're allowing your politics and beliefs to get in the way of science.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@skydog12


Again. You base your entire judgement on the man on one altercation with Jesse Ventura? The truth is neither you nor I know exactly what happened. And who really cares anyway. The fact that you choose to focus on something so meaningless and ignore his service record indicates to me that you're just looking for a reason to hate on him because he's a U.S. military hero. Hating on him for that is what this is really all about.