GOP House is a political gelding (and they like it that way!)

AP_john_boehner_jef_130913_16x9_608When House Speaker John Boehner needed the votes to do the responsible thing Tuesday — to actually govern and get basic, rudimentary things done rather than showboat for the talk-radio crowd — he once again had to turn to his friends on the Democratic side of the aisle.

This time, it came on passage of a controversial “clean” bill needed to keep the Department of Homeland Security open and operational. Using the hoopla of the Netanyahu speech as cover, Boehner quietly pushed the needed legislation through the House Tuesday evening by a vote of 257-167, ending a so-called “crisis”.

Every single one of those 167 “no” votes came from Boehner’s own caucus, from Republicans who preferred to string out their doomed, hapless protest against President Obama regardless of what it might cost the country. And if this is beginning to seem a bit too familiar, it should. It’s a scenario that has played itself out time and again in the last few years.

It has happened on debt-ceiling votes needed to save the country from defaulting on its debt. It has happened on funding bills needed to keep the government operational. It has happened on critical financial-rescue bills needed to save the economy from utter collapse, and it has even happened on disaster-relief bills needed to help millions of Americans devastated by a major hurricane or other natural calamity.

In each case, the Republican majority has been willing, even eager, to wreak considerable damage on the country to make an ideological point. In each case, they have forced GOP leadership to ask Democrats to act as the adults in the room and pass bills that everyone knew needed to be passed.

And in return for saving the GOP from its own incompetence, what reward does Boehner reap from his fellow conservatives? Accusations of cowardice and betrayal, demands for his removal, etc.

But here’s how deep the GOP weakness for showmanship over substance really goes. If those 167 Republicans who voted against Homeland Security funding were really angry at Boehner for allowing Tuesday’s vote and ending the standoff, they could drop the pretense and replace him. After all, they do represent more than two-thirds of the GOP caucus. If they really, really wanted the showdown with Obama that they all proclaim to the base that they really really want, they could insist on getting it.

But the truth is, they don’t “really really want it”. To the contrary, the current situation suits them just fine. With Democrats willing to act as the adults in the room, and with Boehner willing to intervene when necessary, House Republicans have it sweet. They are free to preen and posture in all their ideological purity without ever having to face the consequences. If they are political geldings in such situations, it is because they prefer to be geldings, and because other, stronger people will do the hard work of keeping this country at least somewhat functional.

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Kamchak
Kamchak

PPACA  and SCOTUS SHEETZ

Penses
Penses

@Nick_Danger


"You cannot be a Christian Jew because either you believe Jesus was the Messiah (in which case you are a Christian, not a Jew), or you believe he was not (in which case you are a Jew, not a Christian)."


I agree. The only problem with your "logic" is that, according to Medved, one can be an atheistic or Hindu Jew in the eyes of the Jewish community. If so, they are NOT consistently applying that same religious test to all Jews. In any case, you have (perhaps unwittingly) substaniated my contention that one may seperate the "wheat from the chaff" on religious grounds.  

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@Nick_Danger


"I obviously don't know the context in which Medved was speaking, but he seems like a pretty smart guy."


You do realize that by saying Michael Medved  "seems like a pretty smart guy" you just consigned yourself to eternity in prog hell. 

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

@Penses @Nick_Danger 

Fair enough.  I obviously don't know the context in which Medved was speaking, but he seems like a pretty smart guy.  If I can find something on this, I'll share it.

On edit:  Josef, can you possibly help out on this, before I say something unforgivably ignorant?

From what I found if you are descended of a Jewish mother, and follow the cultural and ethical values of Judaism, you are a Jew, even if you are an atheist.

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

@Doom Classical liberal @Nick_Danger 

"You do realize that by saying Michael Medved  "seems like a pretty smart guy" you just consigned yourself to eternity in prog hell."

Yeah, well, so be it.  I enjoy listening to him (to a point).  He tries to quash the more crazy things his callers assert, and once I heard him do an entire segment on paleoanthropology (!).

Of course, I don't agree with everything he says, but, like LT, I find he helps me clarify what my own objections are.

TBS
TBS

@Doom Classical liberal @Nick_Danger


Not really.  I listen to him sometime.  His conspiracy day is a hoot.  Folks from across the political spectrum call in with some crazy conspiracies. 

The Bookman blog's top conspiracy guys wouldn't even register on the scale of some of the folks that call in during that segment. 

josef
josef

@Nick_Danger @Penses 


In the most traditional sense, yes.  Today the Reform, Reconstructionist, and most Conservative will accept patrilineal.  And most technically, even if the mother has "left the faith" should her children choose to adhere to it, they are "Jews."  Also, a religious apostate who "returns" is not required by even the most Orthodox to undergo any type of "ceremony." 


Now, when it comes to the State of Israel and Aliyah, that can get really complicated since the rabbis are in control there...there's a really interesting one on the books there with the return of the East Indian Jews.  There's also a fascinating one relative to the Cherokee, a number of whom have immigrated, who are providing some rather challenging DNA evidence...


Penses
Penses

@Doom Classical liberal


"You do realize that by saying Michael Medved  "seems like a pretty smart guy" you just consigned yourself to eternity in prog hell."


ROFL. If I am not mistaken, Dante has him in the Ninth Circle. 

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@josef @Nick_Danger @Penses During my consulting career, I did a lot of gigs in the Northeast and New England, where I met lots more Jewish folk than one tends to meet down here.  And most of them weren't particularly observant; not keeping Kosher, working late on Friday nights along with us consultants, working on the High Holy Days, etc.  I only occasionally met a Jew colleague that I'd think of as 'observant,' perhaps only one in ten if that many.


But it does seem to weigh on the minds of some of the non-observant ones; I was on one gig with a fine Jewish boy from Brooklyn and a pretty, raven-haired and blue-eyed Irish-American colleen from Boston, and it quickly became obvious to me that Jewish Izzy was smitten with Catholic Catherine.


One morning, as Izzy and I waited for Catherine to meet us in the hotel lobby for the drive to the worksite, he confessed to me that he had a crush on our co-worker.  I gave him the standard don't-date-your-coworkers speech, but Izzy waved me off.  He already got it, he said, and there's no way anything would work between them.


"What," I asked, "do you think she's out of your league or something?"


"No," Izzy replied, "but my mom would never forgive me if I brought her home."

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@Nick_Danger


Don't know why I bring this up but this reminds me one night when I was driving home late from an appointment and the Bob Arum show was on. His show is non political- mostly a guy oriented show that talks about frivolous stuff like who serves the coldest beer, greasiest fries and burgers, etc. 


Anyhoo, he had a show on that Earthquake that hit months ago and covered like 5 of our southeastern states- I think it was centered around Augusta if I remember correctly. So people are calling in and telling if they felt anything from different areas. This one young girl called in and said it was so violent it shook her and made her fall and she broke her leg in 3 places. Bob Arum immediately said- " i don't believe you and hung up.' I wish more radio folks would do that when they hear total BS. As an aside my gf was looking at her facebook and some woman claimed it rattled her house for 5 minutes. People lie about the stupidest sheet.

TBS
TBS

@Doom Classical liberal @TBS @Nick_Danger


Check him out on AM 920 and I'm sure you can stream it on your computer.

I don't listen all the time but he isn't too bad when I'm in the car riding around.

I actually listen to several righty talk shows from time to time when not listening to sports talk

josef
josef

@Tuna Meowt @josef @Nick_Danger @Penses 



Well, we have what we call Rosh HaShana/Yom Kippur and Pesach (Passover) Rosh HaShana Jews, not unlike Easter and Christmas Christians!



Yom Kippur is the only “required, religious” holiday in the Jewish calendar. The others are historical and cultural.It’s interesting that even the most secular Jew gets a little “religious” at Yom Kippur!But as for the others, it depends on your relationship.For instance, even though I tend to be very much the aforementioned, I do observe Tish B’av.



As you may know, us Southern Jews are pretty much our own tribe due to the peculiarities of our history.We are a lot more tolerant of intermarriage.



Just how interested ARE you in this?If you do facebook, look me up there and message me.Probably a better forum there than here.



Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@josef @Tuna Meowt @Nick_Danger @Penses I don't do Facebook, though my wife does.


FWIW, she used to work for a Jewish-owned firm in Midtown, and though she's Hispanic, she's often mistaken for Jewish because she has no accent.  Even Clark Howard thinks she's Jewish.  XD


(Wifey and Clark used to cross paths at the same Einstein's most mornings.)


I just find Jews to be much more tolerant of my atheism than most Christians, and I also like the lack of proselytization among the Tribe.  :)


josef
josef

@Tuna Meowt @josef @Nick_Danger @Penses 


Tell your spouse it's Josef Nix...and you can get her to send me your contact information should you so wish.  Tell your wife that I'm Sephardic with a Mizrahi line, but by appearance am what Granddaddy called "an Aryan poster child!"

LeninTime
LeninTime

By the way, @HeadleyLamar , I find it striking that you seem to be saying a government that guns down political opponents (unproven here, but assume for the sake of argument) is abominable beyond words, yet one that gives its police carte blanche to carry out summary executions of its most vulnerable citizens with impunity is really okay by comparison.

That's some really strange thinking.

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

@LeninTime @HeadleyLamar 

LT, please keep posting stuff like this.

Even if one disagrees, I think it's important that one should be able to articulate, if only to oneself, the reason why.

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@LeninTime @HeadleyLamar yet one that gives its police carte blanche to carry out summary executions


Who gave anyone carte blanche. Most Americans want the police held accountable for their actions.


The fact you would think that is what is going on is frankly incredible.


Maybe that sort of thing happens in Russia but not here.

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

@LeninTime @Nick_Danger @HeadleyLamar 

That wasn't very clear, was it?

It's easy to have a knee-jerk reaction to something you (or anyone) might post, "that's just wrong!" 

But even when I disagree, I find the time spent determining why I actually disagree is well spent  Sometimes, I find inconsistencies in my reasoning, or must acknowledge that I believe something because I choose to.

Self-knowledge is power, right?

josef
josef

Question:


All y'all citing historical rationale for your arguments, could somebody give me an idea when history began.  These cherry picked timelines are causing making me dizzy...

TBS
TBS

@josef


Well I'd probably say depending on the issue at hand as well as religous, racial, ethnic, economic, political narratives (Of course there are more variables than that) you might get a billion or so answers as to when history begin. 

I might be off by two or three but for conservation I will go with a billion answers

juvenal
juvenal

getting off point here-fact is, it takes 67 senators to assure the passage of anything that is not agreeable to the fanatics of either wing-the house proposes, the senate disposes-Boehner & McConnell are not the obstructors now, now it's Reid & Obama....either way, as an anarchist, i'm fine with it........as St. Thomas Aquinas said, for those with faith, no other explanation is necessary, & for those without it, no explanation is sufficient.....(funny, your spell check don't like the Speakers name)

josef
josef

@juvenal 


Who art thou, a Greek?  Love that moniker...one of my heroes! 

RaindroidWillBoy
RaindroidWillBoy

"adults in the room"?


How Jay thinks the DEM are less childlike is beyond me.  Poor Pelosi yesterday almost had a stroke.  The president is dishonest like a toddler...50 Dems "protested" yesterday by listening to speech rather than attending..


There is no difference from my view. 

leomoore
leomoore

@RaindroidWillBoy No difference from your view means you are perceptually impaired somewhat like a form of color blindness.  There is a great deal of difference.

RaindroidWillBoy
RaindroidWillBoy

@_GodlessHeathen_ @gotalife


She didn't break any laws so she is not a criminal per se but that won't be enough for Hillary sheep to get past this one.  Only reason she had own server was to be able to avoid transparency.  No other reason.


She's aloof, corrupt, and now disingenuous...difficult for her to be the lesser of whichever two evils we have to decide from in 2016.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@_GodlessHeathen_


Hardy hardy har har


The New York Times, which repeated the claim as fact in a story just one week ago, reported Sen. Clinton’s campaign issued a correction yesterday.


“It was a sweet family story her mother shared to inspire greatness in her daughter, to great results I might add,” said spokeswoman Jennifer Hanley.


For more than a decade, Sen. Clinton’s informal biography repeated the story, and it was recounted in former President Bill Clinton’s 2004 autobiography, “My Life.”


The problem with the tale, however, is one of timing. Sir Edmund and his Sherpa guide, Tenzing Norgay, became known to the world only in 1953, after becoming the first men to reach Everest’s summit. Sen. Clinton was born in 1947.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2006/10/38409/#95FLXwdBJB8q3zr4.99

Penses
Penses

@Doom Classical liberal


ROFL! Frankly, I have LOVED the fact that two high profile journalists have come under intense scrutiny for lying. Why? Because it makes everyone suddenly focus on that. And if "blind guides" in the mainstream media like Jay ever came to their senses and saw that there is NO DIFFERENCE between a journalist's lie and a politician's lie, maybe, just maybe, we might have a chance at savinvg the Titanic.


"There is only one kind of lie, it's apolitical..."   - Ron Fournier

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@TBS


I saw that earlier. Very sad. Guy looked like a big ole Teddy bear. I hope they set up a fund for his kids/family. I'ld be glad to kick in some cash. 

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@TBS


I'm assuming you also read the rest of the story. Dude was shot in the back of the head. That's just awful whether it be a cop or civilian. 

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

And the legal system under the Kenyan Mau Mau crypto-anti-colonialist Barack Obama and his Manchurian candidate sidekick at Justice are so bent on a radical agenda in this country to redress past wrongs thaaaaaaat ..


At least he isn't having opposition leaders shot in the streets of Washington

LeninTime
LeninTime

@HeadleyLamar

Lol. I guess a morbid fear of 'tinfoil hat' thinking goes hand in hand with a gullible naivete and tendency to take things too much at face value.