War is the answer; Now, what was the question?

Writing in the Washington Post on Friday, Joshua Muravchik condemned a so-called “bad deal” with Iran over its nuclear program. However, the neoconservative academic went on to acknowledge that in his mind and those of many others, any conceivable deal will be a bad deal.

The goal, after all, must be the complete elimination of Iran’s nuclear program, and the only means to accomplish that feat would be through war. Only by bombing Iran — a course that Muravchik has championed since at least 2006** — can we halt not just Iran’s bomb program but its plan to “carry its Islamic revolution across the Middle East and beyond.”

At the very least, Muravchik deserves credit for candor, for stating point blank what other critics of negotiation have shied from admitting. However, his essay is also useful because it so closely tracks the central logic of neo-conservative thought. That logic can be expressed in three words: Force produces submission.

And if that theory should seem to fail when applied in real life — if force doesn’t produce submission? Then by definition, sufficient force wasn’t used. Because force produces submission. That is the axis on which the neoconservative planet spins. As Stephen Hawking would put it, that is their theory of everything, the elegant equation that ties everything together.

For example, wouldn’t airstrikes merely delay Iran’s progress toward a nuclear weapon, as many experts have warned? “Perhaps,” Muravchik concedes in his essay, “but we can strike as often as necessary.”

Would Iran react to air assaults by making an all-out effort to go nuclear, taking its effort underground both literally and figuratively? If so, “The United States would have to make clear that it will hit wherever and whenever necessary to stop Iran’s program.”

Would Iran seek to retaliate by other means, attacking targets such as Israel, oil-tanker traffic through the Strait of Hormuz or U.S. advisers in Iraq helping to train soldiers in the battle against ISIS? “Probably,” Muravchik concedes. “We could attempt to deter this by warning that we would respond by targeting other military and infrastructure facilities. Nonetheless, we might absorb some strikes.”

More cowbell. Always more cowbell.

And would attacks by the United States rally the Iranian people behind their government, allowing the ayatollahs to tighten their grip on power and ending any chance of a more moderate, responsible government? “Perhaps, but military losses have also served to undermine regimes, including the Greek and Argentine juntas, the Russian czar and the Russian communists.”

That last example is particularly telling. Because force must produce submission, Muravchik does not address the many, many more cases — the bombing of North Vietnam, the carpet bombing of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, the London blitz, the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union — in which force has produced not submission but renewed defiance among those targeted.

And because force produces submission in the neoconservative universe, the enemy never gets a vote. He never gets credited with responding as we ourselves would respond. For example, we didn’t need to worry much about what would happen in Iraq after the invasion that Muravchik and his colleagues championed so bravely. “Shock and awe,” as you may recall, was supposed to turn the Iraqis into a quivering, malleable clump of humanity that we could mold to serve U.S. interests. It wouldn’t produce anger, resentment, humiliation, defiance and a thirst for revenge. It wouldn’t give us ISIS and a fractured Iraq and has greatly strengthened the hand of Iran. It would produce submission, not chaos.

That’s because chaos and the irrationality of human nature are not conditions that the neoconservatives are prepared to address. Such realities sully the intellectual tidiness of the closed universe in which they operate, a universe in which every attempted negotiation is another Munich, every skeptic of their world view is another Neville Chamberlain, every day the sun rises is another Sept. 29, 1938, and they are always Winston Churchill.

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** In his 2006 essay, Muravchik argued that “It is now clear that neither Moscow nor Beijing will ever agree to tough sanctions,” a proclamation since proved false. Such sanctions are now in place, and have succeeded in forcing Iran to the negotiating table. He also warned eight years ago that “the completion of Iran’s bomb grows nearer every day,” and that then President Mahmoud “Ahmadinejad wants to be the new Lenin. Force is the only thing that can stop him.”

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lvg
lvg

""""" Russian bombers flew close to Alaska and California this week, prompting the U.S. Air Force to scramble fighter aircraft, according to North American Aerospace Defense Command.

The first encounter occurred at about 4:30 p.m. Pacific Time on Monday, when four Russian Tu-95 Bear-H long-range bombers and a Il-76 refueling tanker entered the outer portion of the North American air defense identification zone near Alaska.

In response, two American F-22 fighter jets based in Alaska were scrambled. The U.S. aircraft visually identified the Russian aircraft and shadowed them until they left the ADIZ, said Canadian Army Capt. Jennifer Stadnyk, a NORAD spokeswoman. NORAD, based in Colorado, is a joint military command staffed by U.S. and Canadian personnel. NORAD is charged with defending North American airspace.

After the F-22s began shadowing the bombers, two of the Tu-95s headed west and left the ADIZ. The other two left the zone heading south, but later re-entered the ADIZ near northern California around 9:30 p.m. Pacific Time. At one point, the Russian bombers were only 50 miles off the California coast, according to Stadnyk. Two F-15s based in Oregon were launched, and the jets followed the bombers until they left the ADIZ, Stadnyk said."""


http://www.stripes.com/news/norad-russian-bombers-flew-within-50-miles-of-california-1.288694


And Neocons say Iran is our top security concern while Natanyahu coddles up to Putin.

Peachs
Peachs

Shock and Awe should be on the Republican seal as its motto.When I see that haircut of Trey Gowdy, like he is at war, that humorless face as he lays out absurd logic, the audacity of 47 US Senators with tone deaf foreign policy writing letters to whomever will receive them like a child hijacking its parent’s telephone, I am the one shocked and awed. Crazy is great on the dance floor of the SAE house, but even those realize some day you have to grow up, intelligence has to trump shock and awe, reality is not a television program

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@Peachs I suppose you reacted similarly when Pelosi VISITED Syria and attempted to undermine Bush?

LeninTime
LeninTime

Why are you so miffed about Netanyahu 'cozying up' to Putin, Ivg, and now say Washington's cozying up to fascists in Ukraine? 

straker
straker

Ivg


Bibi and other Israeli leaders are adults who see the world as it really is and not through rigid ideological glasses. Also, they are not bought and paid for by Big Business.


So, they do what has to be done to benefit the majority of their people while our puppet leaders do what they are told by their corporate sponsors..


LeninTime
LeninTime

@straker

Bibi and other Israeli leaders are adults who see the world as it really is and not through rigid ideological glasses

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Lol. That's a juicy whopper I'll have to remember. 

lvg
lvg

So the far right thinks their boy Bibi is a fellow Neocon and Obama is the problem while Bibi gets cozy with Putin and ignores threat to Jews in Ukraine;Here is how GOP and Neocon buddy Natanyahu has been coddling up to Russia for attacking Ukraine and putting its Jews in jeopardy:



""""""""""Senior member of the local community said Israel was not doing enough in word or deed to help the Jewish residents of Ukraine during the current crisis occurring in their country. “We did expect a clearer stance on everything that’s going on. There are 400,000 Jewish citizens in Ukraine and we did expect a little bit more of Israel,” said Oleksandr Feldman, a lawmaker in Kiev since 2002. “I’m a bit disappointed by Liberman.”

Israel’s silence on the Crimean crisis can be understood as an effort not to hurt bilateral ties with Moscow. Some Jerusalem officials believe that with American influence waning in the Middle East, it is in Israel’s best interest to maintain good relations with other major powers, such as China and Russia.

“The simple fact is that under your leadership relations between Israel and Russia have become closer, warmer, more intimate and more productive,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Putin last November during a visit in Moscow. “I think that there is a basic sympathy between our two peoples.”

Read more: Jerusalem insistently mum on Crimea referendum | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/j...



Leave it to far right Neocons and GOP to do stupid stuff every time.And they treat Natanyahu like he is Winston Churchill!

LeninTime
LeninTime

@lvg

So the far right thinks their boy Bibi is a fellow Neocon and Obama is the problem while Bibi gets cozy with Putin and ignores threat to Jews in Ukraine

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And who's responsible for empowering those posing a threat to Jews in Ukraine, Ivg? 

gotalife
gotalife

Your pols lied, they can't stop him.



gotalife
gotalife

Easy peasy for our President.

Smooth sailing.........

LeftisnotRight
LeftisnotRight

Hillary broke the law, but that is being fixed.......
again

KUTGF
KUTGF

@LeftisnotRight  my goodness... I am sure your rage includes Jeb and his unlawful actions with his email including using personal email for discussion of some major security and military issues such as troop deployment.....  Oh wait, IOKIYAR

Peachs
Peachs

@_GodlessHeathen_ @Tuna Meowt @LeftisnotRight that is your wet dream, instead of going out in the world and maybe contributing you sit at home waiting for someone to mess up, now that is a hell of a plan...  Why don't you suggest that to your Iranian penpals. 

LogicalDude
LogicalDude

"The Left" 

"The Right"

"The Left" 

"The Right"


Is it a military day or a rap song day? 

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

The right fails to plan, so they plan to fail... this is deep, and meaningful, this stuff I post....

LeftisnotRight
LeftisnotRight

The left never really means wha they say, and never say what they mean.......could be a line in a song?

LeftisnotRight
LeftisnotRight

The left takes no responsibility, quick to point their fingers, yet does exactly what they accuse others of doing......

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@DownInAlbany 

President Obama's pro-trade agenda is a problem for Hillary Clinton

well, one can always hope, but I kinda assume she'll just play punch-the-hippie like a good corporatist Dem is supposed to and suffer absolutely no repercussions.

honested
honested

@Jefferson1776 @DownInAlbany 

That's the key.

Wrong-wingers grasp at every straw as 'the last' while never intending to even consider voting for her.

Those who plan to vote for her (or whoever is at the top of the ticket) couldn't be less concerned.

Finn-McCool
Finn-McCool

Netanyahu may lose today and his speech in Congress (meant for political reasons back home which most of our Con friends completely fell for) will be for naught.


mwuahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@Finn-McCool I always thought that "Bibi" sounded like a band-following groupie who had majored in Pre-Sk@nk before she dropped out of college.


LeninTime
LeninTime

The blame for those cops shot and businesses burned in Ferguson lies squarely in front of Obama, Eric Holder and the liberal media—for allowing the "Hands Up Don't Shoot" lie to give cover to haters.

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Ahhh right wing trash.