When even climate-change deniers deny that they’re deniers ….

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The climate of the climate-change debate is changing swiftly.

The most dramatic example of that shift comes from the American Legislative Exchange Council, the right-wing, corporate-sponsored warehouse that ships pre-packaged conservative ideology to state legislatures around the country. ALEC has come to believe, and with very good reason, that its reputation as a climate-change denier has made many of its corporate donors very uneasy.** So it is fighting to change it.

ALEC recently sent cease-and-desist letters to the League of Conservation Voters and Common Cause, demanding that they stop describing as ALEC a climate-change denier. ALEC’s lawyers are even threatening to file suit if its demands aren’t met, calling it “malicious and defamatory” to say that ALEC denies manmade climate change.

“ALEC’s position is clear: ALEC does not deny climate change”, the letter states. “ALEC has recognized the fact that ‘human activity has and will continue to alter the atmosphere of the planet’ and that ‘such activity may lead to demonstrable changes in climate, including a warming of the planetary mean temperature’.”

Technically speaking, ALEC has not “denied” the possibility of climate change; it has merely claimed that “a great deal of scientific uncertainty surrounds the nature of these prospective changes,” when in fact it does not. The degree of scientific uncertainty is minimal. ALEC has certainly denied the overwhelming scientific evidence that climate change is dangerous, claiming instead that human activity “may lead to deleterious, neutral, or possibly beneficial climatic changes.”

And what government action should be taken to combat climate change? In ALEC’s opinion, none:

“ALEC is opposed to government policy that distorts the energy market and picks winners and losers. ALEC holds that the free market, rather than governments, produces more opportunities, more energy, lower prices, and fewer economic disruptions. (emphasis original)”

In real-life terms, the difference between arguing that “manmade climate change is a hoax” and conceding that “manmade climate change might be real but hey, it could be beneficial(!!) and besides, we oppose all government efforts to address it” is minimal to nonexistent. But it is nonetheless important to see a group such as ALEC desperately adopting such a fallback defense, because it indicates how increasingly untenable their position has become.

In California, snowpack in the Sierra Nevada is at 8 percent of the historic average. In Australia, warming waters have killed off more than 50 percent of the coral forming the Great Barrier Reef. At Glacier National Park, only 25 of an original 150 glaciers survive. And in Florida, where sea levels are rising rapidly, state officials are forbidden to blame it on climate change even though alternative explanations — a sudden influx of fat tourists wading in the water? — aren’t sufficient.

If mankind is contributing to such changes — and we are — then it is within our power to stop. But first we have to admit that the problem exists.

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** Last fall, for example, Google chairman Eric Schmidt expressed deep regrets for the company’s previous involvement in ALEC. “Everyone understands climate change is occurring and the people who oppose it are really hurting our children and our grandchildren and making the world a much worse place,” he said. “And so we should not be aligned with such people — they’re just, they’re just literally lying.”

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DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

“But that’s a phony answer! Of course he paid taxes, what he didn’t do is let us see his tax returns.”

“I have no repentance because it was an issue that was important,” Reid replied.

“So no apologies to Mitt Romney?” Ramos asks. “Oh, none whatsoever. Zero. None,” Reid says.

What a despicable POS

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@DownInAlbany “I have no repentance because it was an issue that was important,” Reid replied.


It was important


Americans had a right to know how little a man like Romney pays in taxes. About half the rate the average American pays. 

fedup52
fedup52

Has anybody seen the video about the cop shooting an unarmed man in Charleston, SC.  That is one sad situation.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@fedup52 @Normd I thought the cop in NY who obviously choked a guy would be enough


Looks open and shut but who knows ?

Normd
Normd

One thing you can say about Kayaker...he sure has class.  It's all low, but he has it...lol

As to the rest of all y'all...good morning!

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Normd

Remember that Tinkerbell dies if Kayaker ever types the letters "o b a m a" in a missive.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

If Mick's still around:

I disagree, show me a case of reagan deferring to bush on foreign policy?

I assume that ex-CIA head Bush was running the show before the election, when they were working behind the scenes (allegedly!) to ensure that no hostages were released. You don't think Reagan could manage something like that, do you?

kayaker71
kayaker71

Interesting turn of events...... Larry Tribe, Harvard Law Professor of Constitutional Law and regarded as probably the best authority in this subject, has agreed to represent the Peabody Coal Company in its fight with the EPA and the Bozo administration.  Bozo was one of Tribes students at Harvard and Tribe was expected by many to get the nod for the SCOTUS spot that either Kagan or Sottomeyer (sp) got.  Tribe states that what the EPA is trying to do to Peabody is akin to "the burning of the Constitution".  And he is a liberal. 

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@kayaker71 That was posted yesterday, but thanks for the repost.


Clearly, Peabody Coal wants the best legal representation possible in their fight -- which would be why they sought out Mr. Tribe instead of some conservative law school graduate.


Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@kayaker71

Yeah, looks like the Bamster's fix is in. Sorry for you filthy fossil fuel advocates.

straker
straker

Down


So, if this ONE judge denies the request, it just MUST be bad.


Right?

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

A federal judge denied the federal government's request to lift a hold on President Obama's controversial immigration actions in an opinion released Tuesday night.

Judge Andrew Hanen wrote that the government misled the court by revealing last month it had granted expanded work permit renewals to 100,000 illegal immigrants before the court blocked the administration from implementing its new policies.

He added a new hearing in March only “reinforced” his February decision to issue a “stay” to block those new policies, meant to delay deportations for millions of undocumented immigrants and provide them with the opportunity to apply for work permits. 

“It is obvious that there is no pressing, emergent need for this program,” he wrote as part of the rationale for not allowing the administration to immediately implement its new policies.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/238165-court-declines-to-lift-hold-on-obamas-immigration-policies

THE most transparent administration.

EVAH!

Bawhahaha

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@kayaker71 @HeadleyLamar @DownInAlbany "Bozo stepping on the Constitution"


Kindly demonstrate where that has taken place even once.


For bonus points, see if you can do it without using cutesy names for the President.  What are you, nine years old?


Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@DownInAlbany A Bush appointed judge refused to rule in Obama's favor


Shocker.


He doesn't get the last say however

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@kayaker71 @Tuna Meowt @HeadleyLamar @DownInAlbany "Your presidential pretender will always be Bozo to me.  The name fits.  Hope it really pisses you off, Tuna."


It doesn't piss me off at all.  It just illuminates what a petty and childish person you are, "Colonel."


Adults can make their points without having to resort to that kind of silliness.  Clearly, your lack of character renders you unable to do so.


kayaker71
kayaker71

@Tuna Meowt @kayaker71 @HeadleyLamar @DownInAlbany I really do not think that I need character lessons from you or any other liberal.  This clown that is occupying govt housing, is a disgrace to our country and a threat to our way of life.  He is more dangerous than any Islamic terrorist every thought about being.  And we have to stomach his sorry arse for another 18mos.  Damn.

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@kayaker71 @Tuna Meowt @HeadleyLamar @DownInAlbany '"I really do not think that I need character lessons from you or any other liberal."


Yes, you do.  And while I'm on the topic, I've never known you to be a *thinking* person at all; you're more of a kneejerking sort.


"This clown that is occupying govt housing, is a disgrace to our country and a threat to our way of life."


Cry, Debbie, cry.  And grow the eff up while you're at it.  This is what happens when you lose elections.  At your age, I'd think you'd have learned that by now.


"He is more dangerous than any Islamic terrorist every thought about being."


And you're one of the most cowardly individuals I've ever had the misfortune of knowing.  Man up and strap on a pair of nuts, ya wimp.


"And we have to stomach his sorry arse for another 18mos.  Damn."


How TERRIBLE for you that your slack-arse Presidential candidates sucked so badly.  It must be absolutely intolerable for you to have to bear the burden of a Democrat in the White House.  However can you possibly live down the indignity?


St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

Man, the movie industry is moving to coastal Georgia. We're the new Hollywood.

No really, I parked beside a van at lunch, and it was decked out perfectly like a CDC van. When set workers and a camera crew jumped out & walked in for lunch, I did a double-take, and the side of the van said "Center for Zombie Control" - they had borrowed the on-set prop for lunch break.

Take a look around, and at the news about you, Georgia.

Are you ready for your close-up?

Or is the world gonna look at us, and just laugh & laugh....

You can do something abert that, yknow.

_GodlessHeathen_
_GodlessHeathen_

@St_Simons_he-ne-ha The film industry has been strong in Georgia for a long time.  They long ago did their "close-up" of the State and liked what they saw.  Not everyone looks at Georgia and sees things the way you do.

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

Congratulations to Rahm Emanuel! The right man at the right time. Making the tough calls is never popular.

The progressive cause has been routed. An honorable mention is enough to keep them happy.

It's always been thus. 

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

ohhh! Movie plot!

Here it is - "IN A WORLD, where an evil conspiracy to save the planet by 97% of scientists is foiled by a plucky band of billionaires & bootlickers!" I smell Oss-carrrrr! 

Numbers_R_Us
Numbers_R_Us

Earth Republicans are easy.  All you need do to prove global cooling is hold a handful of snow up and declare there to be global cooling.  Then again, Republicans don't do science.  It makes their heads hurt.