An ‘ObamaCare-loving moderate’ as GOP’s nominee?

A couple of items on which to end the day:

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Ohio Gov. John Kasich

1.) Politico has the self-negating headline of the week. “Who is the GOP’s strongest candidate?” it asks. Its answer? “Why ObamaCare-loving moderate John Kasich may be the Republican Party’s best bet.”

I’m sorry. An “ObamaCare-loving moderate” by definition cannot be the Republicans’ 2016 presidential candidate. It’s dumb to even suggest such a thing. That would be like gearing up to run against Obama and ObamaCare in 2012, then nominating as your candidate some former governor who had pioneered the ObamaCare concept in the first place. Even the Republicans wouldn’t do that.

2.) Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker still looks like the best bet to win the GOP nomination, although his inexperience on the national scene has caused some early problems.  His supporters believe that his ability to do well in a blue state such as Wisconsin would bode well for his ability to compete against Hillary Clinton on the national scene.

Maybe. Or maybe not, according to a newly released poll from Wisconsin’s own Marquette Law School.  Among Wisconsin Republicans, the governor is certainly the clear choice to win the GOP presidential nod, with 40 percent supporting Walker. Rand Paul comes in a poor second, at 10 percent.

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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker

But among general-election voters in Wisconsin?

“To look ahead to a possible 2016 presidential matchup, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton leads Walker in Wisconsin, 52 percent to 40 percent…. Thirty-four percent of registered voters say that they would like to see Walker run for president while 62 percent would not like him to run.

Voters also see the state’s employment situation as turning down compared to other states, with 52 percent saying that Wisconsin is lagging behind other states in job creation, 34 percent saying that the state is doing about the same as other states and 8 percent saying that the state is creating jobs faster than other states.”

Eight percent? Eight percent of his own people say that Walker’s economic program is creating jobs faster than in other states? (For the record, that 8 percent is wrong. Job growth in Wisconsin lags the national average.)

And Walker trails Hillary in his own home state by 12 points? Both Paul (8-point deficit) and Jeb Bush (11-point deficit) do slightly better among Wisconsin voters.

Yes, it’s a long time between now and November 2016. But that’s a big hole.

 

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MiltonMan
MiltonMan

Oh yes - that time of the year for Jay to start pulling out his favorite subject - polls.

St_Simons_he-ne-ha
St_Simons_he-ne-ha

Republicans trying for that big fat Zero in the female demographic with today's raydio talky werds!

But they got the misogynist demo in the bag, in the bag.

straker
straker

The Republicans, at their convention, will try mightily to choose from the bottom of the barrel, for the people, and at the top of the barrel, for their corporate sponsors. 

St_Simons_he-ne-ha
St_Simons_he-ne-ha

"IF she makes it to the election..." (ominous silence)

"better hope she survives.." (creepy laughter)

Not much experience with women, these cons heheheh

Walk up to a shawnee woman and say either of those things

I'll dial 911 and apply a tourniquet

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@RaindroidWillBoy @St_Simons_he-ne-ha

Those con's are so dumb. 

well, maybe not "dumb" so much as willing to be herded to the next not-very-credible anti-Hillary talking point.

I get it--if the GOP nominates someone 10+ years younger than Hils, this is a legitimate issue. But Kascich (just for example) is just seven years younger, so really what's the big deal here?

RaindroidWillBoy
RaindroidWillBoy

Hillary is talking about campaign finance reform.  I think she should use the adage "the years of lobbyists controlling the DC agenda are over". 

Actually it is not the lobbyists and special interests throwing money around it the the politicians extorting money from such.

Its gonna be easy to portray her for what she is....the epitome of a poltician today.

RaindroidWillBoy
RaindroidWillBoy

@Visual_Cortex @RaindroidWillBoy 

You won't find me defending any of those dorks.

Although I'm not sure about the two governors relative to extorting money out of donors.  Great read call Extortion (2013) by Peter Schweizer.  The first chapter is dedicate to John Boehner's track record of extorting money from businesses by delaying bills or otherwise using procedures to shake them down.  Apparently the Clintons are also masters of these techniques...

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@RaindroidWillBoy

Its gonna be easy to portray her for what she is....the epitome of a poltician today.

well fine and dandy, but which GOP opponent could honestly claim that he was anything but, himself?

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@RaindroidWillBoy @Visual_Cortex

fair points.

I'll add that I fully expect Hillary to capitalize on Mitt Romney's decision not to disclose his tax returns going back more than the previous year, should her GOP opponent follow suit. I fear this may have become the new normal, and that's really not right.

lvg
lvg

I thought the latest representative of the Bush warlords had it in the bag? Family's dynasty funded by money of three generations profiting off US enemies including grandad  caught violating the Trading with Enemies act helping German company that built concentration camps. Now ole Jeb is up to his eyeballs getting a million a year for helping a bank caught violating US sanctions. This is GOP royalty . They deserve the presidency.

RaindroidWillBoy
RaindroidWillBoy

@lvg 

That's a trip. I'd  like to read more about that...where can I find such?

Numbers_R_Us
Numbers_R_Us

Isn't Fox "News" the most trusted source for making its viewers more ignorant of current events over time.

St_Simons_he-ne-ha
St_Simons_he-ne-ha

"Even the Republicans wouldn't..." (fill in ridiculous scenario)

They're a punch line now.

Numbers_R_Us
Numbers_R_Us

I thought Republicans claimed that they don't watch Fox "News".

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@Numbers_R_Us Where did you hear that?  They are the most respected name in news...for 15 straight years...and, counting!

alexander2
alexander2

@Numbers_R_Us Sure some do, just as they watch more liberal shows to gain a wider perspective on an issue,..don't you?

alexander2
alexander2

@Visual_Cortex Define "sport", don't google it, define the term as you think about it at this moment...

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@alexander2 @Visual_Cortex

Define "sport"

no problem!

I'd define "sport" as some kind of fairly determined competition between two or more people (or teams) involving some kind of physical activity.

I might even stretch this definition to include chess, since physical endurance does come into play, sometimes.

Those food competition shows on TV, liked (say) Chopped? also, arguably, sport, if I can believe what I've heard about how the contestants are actually judged.

(promise, no Googling involved in this post.)

alexander2
alexander2

@Visual_Cortex Then pro wrestling may be a sport, although "fair" is a big stretch, I don't watch it and think it's trash , but your definition is pretty nebulous, Anyway thanks for the non-google...

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

Fox New Channel host Greg Gutfeld declared Hillary Clinton’s campaign roll out “as spontaneous as open heart surgery” on Thursday’s broadcast of “The Five.”

Gutfeld stated, “Hillary’s roll out was about as spontaneous as open heart surgery, with all the looseness of your bank’s pre-recorded menu.”

Gutfeld continued saying that during her appearances Hillary, “nodded and smiled like an animatronic in a country bear jamboree. The guests were vetted and driven by the staff, which is why they appeared to be serving detention, it was more staged than ‘My Fair Lady.’ All this to portray her as soft, authentic, but her actions are as real as Travolta’s hair. Her family story doesn’t match public records. She won’t take reporter questions, because she knows what they’ll be…so the media has no choice but to chase after her like fat kids swarming the free samples at Costco.”

Yep, that about sums it up.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

“It was a good week,” Simon said. “She, through a careful attempt to shape her image, she also tried to appear to be the spontaneous candidate who would just leap in a van and drive 1,000 miles to Iowa. I think she came off as warmer, much warmer and likable than last time she ran. I would give her high marks for this trip.”

Bartender, I'll have what he is having

It seems to be pretty strong stuff.

Numbers_R_Us
Numbers_R_Us

Republicans think they have a chance at winning by not running anyone that really has a chance and just attacking Hillary. Scott Walker for President!   Bwah hahahahahaha

honested
honested

I don't like kasich, didn't like him when he was in the House, but at least he contains enough pragmatism to accept reality. He has done a reasonable job of representing his constituents both in Congress and as Governor.


Walker has accomplished nothing but to wreck a State Education system and a State budget. Full-on crazy ideology might pass as 'leadership' at a teaklan meeting, but is a very poor excuse for Governance.


Doesn't matter though, Hillary will stomp either one of them.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@DownInAlbany @honested

IF she makes it to the election

hmm... lessee, earlier we heard from someone a good deal dimmer:

275 Pound 70 Year old Already had a serious STROKE.

I smell a Drudgey/Breitbarty talking point du jour!

alexander2
alexander2

@Visual_Cortex Too much drama for a friday...may get a serious challenge was the thought, Visual cortex's are not engaged in smell sense...

St_Simons_he-ne-ha
St_Simons_he-ne-ha

@Visual_Cortex @DownInAlbany @honested "IF she makes it to the election"  I've heard this, and heard it faithfully regurgitated outside this forum, too. Kinda has that ominous threat quality too, dunnit? Jussssst short of actionable. Clever with the weasel words, those cons.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@alexander2 @Visual_Cortex

 Visual cortex's are not engaged in smell sense...

Well, I can't really argue that.

(I guess I could nitpick that bizarre bad habit some have of pluralizing with an apostrophe, however.)

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@DownInAlbany @Visual_Cortex @honested

His website beats the heck out of the most liberal websites

How do you "beat" another website? are you perchance talking of its profitability?

And is this something I'm supposed to envy?

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@St_Simons_he-ne-ha @Visual_Cortex @DownInAlbany @honested

Kinda has that ominous threat quality too, dunnit? 

Also, too...

Pay no attention to that Ronald Reagan that we voted for twice and really, we had no idea he was early onset Alzheimer's really, how could we ever tell? behind the curtain!

Because that old(er, somewhat) guy was totally different.

alexander2
alexander2

@Visual_Cortex Yea you could but then you would open yourself up to that type of criticism,..could get UGLY...Anyway , it's a joke...

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@alexander2 @Visual_Cortex

Senator is not a leader...just an opinion..

I recognize that Senators have a tougher time convincing general election voters that they are leaders (just look at all who've tried and failed to win throughout history).

But I've always countered that governorships aren't any great on-the-job training for the Presidency either. No gig really is.