In the UK, a new official campaign to ‘silence extremists’

David CameronJust a quicky on a heavily booked day, but this story out of the UK struck me as alarming, particularly since the same fears that drive it can be found on this side of the Atlantic.

The new Conservative government headed by David Cameron will seek legislation giving it the power to limit “harmful activities” of those it deems extremist.

“They would include a ban on broadcasting and a requirement to submit to the police in advance any proposed publication on the web and social media or in print. The bill will also contain plans for banning orders for extremist organisations which seek to undermine democracy or use hate speech in public places, but it will fall short of banning on the grounds of provoking hatred….

Cameron will tell the NSC: “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone. It’s often meant we have stood neutral between different values. And that’s helped foster a narrative of extremism and grievance.

“This government will conclusively turn the page on this failed approach. As the party of one nation, we will govern as one nation and bring our country together. That means actively promoting certain values.”

I can see the intent. I can also see where it could go very wrong very quickly.

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IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

The Department of Homeland Security does not maintain data on how many illegal immigrants it allows to stay in the U.S. through prosecutorial discretion — a failure that could have national security implications — the agency’s inspector general reported Wednesday.


Nice tight ship y'all are running over there. I'd bet an illegal alien couldn't get obamacare even if he wanted to, uh huh.


http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/13/dhs-fails-to-keep-track-of-number-of-illegals-allowed-to-stay-in-u-s/

td1234
td1234

"

How does marijuana affect the brain?

Marijuana has both short- and long-term effects on the brain.


Short-term effects

When a person smokes marijuana, THC quickly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream. The blood carries the chemical to the brain and other organs throughout the body. The body absorbs THC more slowly when the person eats or drinks it. In that case, the user generally feels the effects after 30 minutes to 1 hour.

THC acts on specific brain cell receptors that ordinarily react to natural THC-like chemicals in the brain. These natural chemicals play a role in normal brain development and function.

Marijuana overactivates parts of the brain that contain the highest number of these receptors. This causes the "high" that users feel. Other effects include:

  • altered senses (for example, seeing brighter colors)
  • altered sense of time
  • changes in mood
  • impaired body movement
  • difficulty with thinking and problem-solving
  • impaired memory
Long-term effects

Marijuana also affects brain development. When marijuana users begin using as teenagers, the drug may reduce thinking, memory, and learning functions and affect how the brain builds connections between the areas necessary for these functions.

Marijuana’s effects on these abilities may last a long time or even be permanent.

For example, a study showed that people who started smoking marijuana heavily in their teens and had an ongoing cannabis use disorder lost an average of eight IQ points between ages 13 and 38. The lost mental abilities did not fully return in those who quit marijuana as adults. Those who started smoking marijuana as adults did not show notable IQ declines (Meier, 2012).


http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

td1234
td1234

"DENVER — Five months after Colorado became the first state to allow recreational marijuana sales, the battle over legalization is still raging.

Law enforcement officers in Colorado and neighboring states, emergency room doctors and legalization opponents increasingly are highlighting a series of recent problems as cautionary lessons for other states flirting with loosening marijuana laws.

There is the Denver man who, hours after buying a package of marijuana-infused Karma Kandy from one of Colorado’s new recreational marijuana shops, began raving about the end of the world and then pulled a handgun from the family safe and killed his wife, the authorities say. Some hospital officials say they are treating growing numbers of children and adults sickened by potent doses of edible marijuana. Sheriffs in neighboring states complain about stoned drivers streaming out of Colorado and through their towns.

“I think, by any measure, the experience of Colorado has not been a good one unless you’re in the marijuana business,” said Kevin A. Sabet, executive director of Smart Approaches to Marijuana, which opposes legalization. “We’ve seen lives damaged. We’ve seen deaths directly attributed to marijuana legalization. We’ve seen marijuana slipping through Colorado’s borders. We’ve seen marijuana getting into the hands of kids.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/us/after-5-months-of-sales-colorado-sees-the-downside-of-a-legal-high.html?_r=0

HeadleyLamar
HeadleyLamar

@td1234 There is the Denver man who, hours after buying a package of marijuana-infused Karma Kandy from one of Colorado’s new recreational marijuana shops, began raving about the end of the world and then pulled a handgun from the family safe and killed his wife,


Pot didn't do that. All of this is anecdotal nonsense


Fail

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@td1234 @Tuna Meowt @HeadleyLamar "So now the NY Times is lying. LOL"


Except that's not what the NYT is *saying.*


You've demonstrated your inability to read here on many occasions.  I myself have pointed out to you no less than three times that news stories you yourself linked to did not say what you claimed they did.


As I said yesterday, maybe you'll get promoted to the Green reading group next year.


td1234
td1234

@Tuna Meowt You mean your interpretation of what was in the articles. 


Talk about reading comprehension skills. I am not the person reading the 2nd Amendment to mean only the militia could have guns. 


Just sayin

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@td1234 @Tuna Meowt "You mean your interpretation of what was in the articles."


No, I mean the articles *clearly refuting* your claims about what they said.


"Talk about reading comprehension skills. I am not the person reading the 2nd Amendment to mean only the militia could have guns."


That's quite clearly what it says.  And that the Senate controls the militia.  Perhaps you should try reading the Constitution itself sometime.


IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

@HeadleyLamar @IReportYouWhine#1 If you can't pay a police force to guard the outer perimeter of rich, white and privileged (think hillionaire types,) then you have nothing. 


Unless it's a Conservative neighborhood where they just integrate, no problems. 

LeninTime
LeninTime

@Cupofjoe 

Finance capital is gearing up for its next project: its next major city to cannibalize.

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

@Cupofjoe

'Ya think some of Chicago's public pensioners would be willing to forego their riches for the greater good of Chicago?

Not likely. 

NWGAL
NWGAL

Big brother on steroids. Maybe it wasn't an accident that Orwell and Huxley were Brits. They knew how their government works.

barkingfrog
barkingfrog

One of the craziest fads of my druggie youth was smoking Chesterfields

soaked in paregoric and dried in the oven...

straker
straker

Bulls - "even if the Dems are looking to increase the funding by 1 Billion"


That won't happened in a Republican controlled Congress, sport model.

barkingfrog
barkingfrog

Possession of marijuana of less than a ton should be decriminalized.

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@barkingfrog Drive that truck through L5P on a weekend, and you'd have hippies following you around like cats following a truck full of tuna fillets.


TBS
TBS

@Tuna Meowt @barkingfrog 

Not just L5P.

Lot of weed being smoked in the suburbs and exurbs of Atlanta.

And it isn't just kids and hippies. 

td1234
td1234

First Offense Marijuana Possession Laws (less than 1 ounce)

If this is a first misdemeanor marijuana possession, we can fight for a conditional discharge, or diversion. What this means is the judge will order you to carry out a probation term. If this term is completed successfully, the marijuana charge will be dropped and not reflected on your record.

However, if you violate the probation, your case will be sent to trial and you will potentially face the maximum sentence for a first time offender.

This probation can include drug counseling, therapy, attendance at meetings, etc.

If you are not granted a conditional discharge or your probation is revoked, you will face up to $1,000 in fines and up to 1 year in prison."


In other words if you are smoking a joint then you are not doing jail time as long as you do not have other convictions. 


If you have more than an ounce then you are dealing and should be placed under the jail or hung if you are dealing to a minor. 

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

@td1234 

"...or hung if you are dealing to a minor."

Death penalty for not checking a driver's license?  I assume you're facetiously expressing your concern, here.

Wena Mow Masipa How
Wena Mow Masipa How

@td1234 You forgot to add: if you're white, you'll probably get a slap on the wrist; if you're black, you'll go to prison, if you're lucky, or you'll be shot on the spot if you're not.

kitty72
kitty72

@Nick_Danger @td1234 


I didn't even realize who wrote that comment about hanging someone...but I thought I bet it's td. and lo and behold, it was. Big surprise. Hanging someone for selling to a minor is hardly an "eye for an eye". smh I use that because td is such a Bible follower and all...snark.

td1234
td1234

@Nick_Danger If you are harming children by dealing to children then yes it should be the death penalty. That is called real consequences for ones action. 

honested
honested

@td1234 

What statute are you quoting (and what dark point in history is it from)?

Don't even you think it's time to approve the Colorado model, like immediately?

td1234
td1234

@HeadleyLamar Yes, it is in the best interest of our children and our nation to allow dealers to sell drugs to them. 

td1234
td1234

@HeadleyLamar Was the knife legal or not under city ordnance? Did the LEO have a good faith belief that the knife was illegal? 


Where is any evidence of Murder? Only one LEO was changed with 2nd degree murder and there are a great deal of legal experts stating that is way overcharged under the current evidence presented. 

td1234
td1234

@JamVet So you are OK with people dealing drugs to children? 

JamVet
JamVet

@honested @td1234 @HeadleyLamar 

The guy needs no statutes.

No case law.

No functional knowledge of American jurisprudence.

Remember this is the guy who threw a hissy fit when he was disabused of his ignorant notion that the phrase provide for the general welfare is not written into the US Constitution.

(Our Clarence Darrow wrote that it was in the Preamble only.)

And has averred the oft new age, non-brained non-conservative concoction that the only legitimate role of Uncle Sam is the military.

Providing for the welfare of the general public is a basic goal of government. The preamble to the U.S. Constitution cites promotion of the general welfare as a primary reason for the creation of the Constitution. Promotion of the general welfare is also a stated purpose in state constitutions and statutes. The concept has sparked controversy only as a result of its inclusion in the body of the U.S. Constitution.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/General+Welfare

honested
honested

@td1234 @honested 

Why not?

Aside from moralistic nut baggery, there is no reason for continuing this insane prohibition mentality.

JamVet
JamVet

@Nick_Danger @td1234 

No, he is borderline psycho.

I am not kidding.

Ask him what he would do to American women if they had abortions after his kind outlawed it...

Wena Mow Masipa How
Wena Mow Masipa How

@td1234 @Nick_Danger I'm pretty sure there's a caliphate somewhere near Israel that metes out the sort of justice you seek. And, like you, they thump a religious text, worship a nonexistent being, and don't dig blacks or women too much. You should consider emigrating. 

honested
honested

@td1234 @HeadleyLamar 

Nobody in legal states would even want to sell to children.

You might want to consult with normal people (not religious freaks) from the States that have instituted Civilized marijuana laws.

The only people who are unhappy are the for profit 'criminal justice parasites'.

JamVet
JamVet

@td1234 @Nick_Danger 

You are deranged, bloodthirsty and probably a latent sadist.

No wonder you are so friggin' miserable 24/7...

(You would make an excellent mullah.)

td1234
td1234

@JamVet @honested @td1234 @HeadleyLamar  I see you are still but hurt from the but whipping I laid on you about Iraq and the butt whipping joesph and others laid on you yesterday for being a common buthead 

Keep crying and keep lying. It is all you have. 

JamVet
JamVet

@td1234 @JamVet 

For gawdsakes son, take a basic logic and reasoning class.

You desperately need it.

And as long as you are asking questions, here is one for you: Do you still advocate capital punishment for women who have abortions, once outlawed, as you once wrote?

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

@td1234

Heroin, the same drug to which his mother was addicted.

JamVet
JamVet

@td1234 @JamVet @honested @HeadleyLamar 

Sure, Charlie Sheen.

Quoting Joe Biden as your proof.

You do realize that the other kids are not laughing WITH you, right?

You are lucky.

Though you want to drown him in a bathtub, Uncle Sam, is providing for your general welfare...

td1234
td1234

@JamVet Another misrepresentation (lie) about what I stated but what else can one expect from you. 


At least 5 bloggers (some progressive) talked about the loser you are yesterday for your lack of basic logic and reasoning and you questions others. LOL  It was so bad you slide right out the door with your tail tucked between your legs. 

td1234
td1234

@honested Long term drug users cost the country money that the rest of us has to pay for the consequences of their actions. 


Pass a law that drugs should be legal and that any person that fries their brains will not receive public assistance then I say fine do away with the laws.  

honested
honested

@td1234 @honested 

What EVIDENCE supports that nonsense when applied to MARIJUANA?

You need to abandon the fear inculcated in you in high school, it was BS.