GOP is doomed to struggle over Iraq legacy, and here’s why

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We’ve seen a series of Republican presidential candidates struggle recently over how to address the Iraq war, with most of them oddly reluctant to join with an overwhelming majority of Americans in declaring it a mistake that should not be repeated.

A new Quinnipiac poll makes that struggle more comprehensible:

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It’s not a surprise that Republicans remain more supportive than most Americans of a war initiated and led by a Republican administration. But the scale of the divergence between Republicans and their fellow Americans is pretty stunning. To this day, and by more than a two-to-one ratio, Republicans still believe that the war was a good idea.

Or at least they say they believe that. Given the blowback from the war, I have to think that some of those 62 percent are acting out of sheer cussedness in refusing to admit the mistake to a pollster. But Republican pollsters are probably producing similar numbers in their own internal surveys, which helps to explain the awkward straddling act by their candidates. It tells you a lot about what the GOP base will be demanding from a potential nominee.

And that is not good news for Rand Paul.

(h/t Steve Benen)

 

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stogiefogey
stogiefogey

The only set of bars that really matter on Jay's graph are the Independents, they're the swing votes that carry elections. That 65% "wrong thing" is huge. Republicans better wake up and smell the WMDs.

Moderate_line
Moderate_line

Will it really matter what Republicans say about the Iraq war if Hillary or Biden is the nominee. If another Democrat is nominated who didn't support the war then it may be a problem but I really doubt it. I remember when Jay argued that the GOP would be hurt by the government shutdown.I argued it would have zero affect on the election and it would hard to say it did after the election. It is hard to separate what matters to me and what matters to everyone else. Plus what matters to me may be just a rationalization of a choice that I have already made. The only way to know if something really matters is if it actually changed how you felt about the candidate. Did any of this change how I felt about the candidates? Maybe but I am only speaking for myself. Did it change the likelihood of Jay voting for one them? I doubt it. 


If Hillary or Biden are nominated if it is really an important issue to people then they have the added problem of having voted for it and rationalizing it with the people who they need to energize to vote for them.


The article seems to be more wishful thinking than analysis or merely justification for what one already thinks.


Both Biden and Clinton voted for the resolution authorizing the war in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#United_States_Senate

Vindicator
Vindicator

Two points to consider:

(1) After winning all wars up until Korea, we did not win Korea and nothing was settled.  Money and lives lost on a Democrat president's watch.  Viet Nam was also lost on a Democrat president's mismanagement.  Ancient history.

(2) The Iraq war was approved by DEMOCRATS and Republicans.  It was essentially won by Bush until Democrats lost it with their cut-and-run campaigning.  Ancient history.


My point is that Democrats are going back into ancient history to deflect attention and scrutiny from their presidential candidate.  Why?  Because her track record of lying, indefensible scandals, and recent shady deals cannot be defended.


Your left wing campaign to discredit the GOP with old news on war, abortion, homosexuality, and christian views is a poor excuse for determining who would make for a better president.


Stick to the issues.  It's all about Hillary. You know it and I know it.  Crap like this may have worked before, but it is a new ball game and those tactics are long in the tooth.

LeninTime
LeninTime

@Vindicator 

Iraq: 

It was essentially won by Bush..

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You might want to try starting with the truth and not Beltway PR lies if you want your point to be taken seriously there, sport.

GaBlue
GaBlue

@Vindicator

Um.... did you not get the memo? The true "left wingers" can't stand Hillary Clinton. There's just not much to her platform that's actually "left." She's a solid moderate, which is one reason why so many support her. They think she's actually electable.

You ask us to "Stick to the issues." Then you say, "It's all about Hillary."
Well... which one do you want us to do? MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

Kamchak
Kamchak

@Vindicator 

Democrats lost it with their cut-and-run campaigning.

SOFA says, "What?"

Starik
Starik

@Vindicator @LeninTime Nixon had a lot to do with losing the Vietnam war. Bush lost the Iraq war when the Iraqi Army and the government apparatus was eliminated. Nixon served in WW2 as a politician/officer, safe from risk. Little Bush avoided the draft using Daddy's influence, and by ducking into a nice, safe national Guard slot. As President he started a stupid war and fed the National Guard into the meat grinder. Despicable.

straker
straker

Down - "can you name specific accomplishments"


She will be asked that in the debates that are to come so you may now stop worrying about it.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@straker I'm not worried about it.

It's you guys that need to be worried.

Just sayin

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

An ex-cop has said that Josh Dugan admitted to molesting more kids.  Yet, Mike Huckabee stands by Josh Dugan but calls the president and his wife bad parents because their kids listen to hip hop.  

fedup52
fedup52

@BuckeyeGa Huckster is trying desperately to make a name for himself.  He needs CON money.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@BuckeyeGa Mike Huckabee didn't stand a chance BEFORE this particular revelation.

Yet, total silence from the left about Bill's close friendship with a pedophile.

Why is that, do you think?

Doggone_GA
Doggone_GA

@DownInAlbany @BuckeyeGa If you want an answer to your question, how about providing some details of that friendship.  Your credibility here isn't high enough to take your unsupported word for it.

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

@DownInAlbany @BuckeyeGa What friendship?  I don't know the details of it.  Huckabee is a candidate for president and this issue is a big thing to know.  

GaBlue
GaBlue

@DownInAlbany

We understand that you are hoping to break the two of them up. Sure, their marriage has survived so much, but if you can juuuuuuuuuust get a toe in there, you know it'll break wide open. You know she'll be better off when she finally has a good man not only to comfort her, but to show her (lovingly of course) the error of her thinking.

**wistful sigh**

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@GaBlue @DownInAlbany She has stood by her man for this long, even though he finds it impossible to keep his fly zipped up.  Why would you think they would split now?

She's got to be the champion for women's rights, after all.

Right?

GaBlue
GaBlue

@DownInAlbany

I see you've given it a lot of thought. Naturally. Hey, I'm pulling for you, buddy. Don't give up five minutes before the miracle!


BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

@DownInAlbany @BuckeyeGa @Doggone_GA Was that verified? or was that alleged?  I read your links and I  saw where one person is making accusations against Clinton, Prince Andrew and that Harvard Professor..This is very different than Dugan and Huckabee.  Dugan is an admitted pedophile but Huckabee defended him.

DawgWhistle
DawgWhistle

Sheer cussedness, aka 'cognitive dissonance'...couple big words that defines the Republican problem. Basically they're using the age-old strategy of 'I don't care...That's my story and I'm sticking to it.'

straker
straker

PudHead - "the liberals don't care that Muslims seem to be killing people all over and nothing is done"


Then you just get yourself right down to the nearest Armed Forces Career Center and sign up with the Army or Marines. Be sure to demand an assignment to a combat unit.


Oh, I forgot.

They don't take 14 year olds.

fedup52
fedup52

@straker Armed Forces have standards too.  They don't take idiots.

Philo_Farnsworth
Philo_Farnsworth

Well, should Hillary lose her campaign, she can always run FIFA, an organization that shares Clinton Foundation values.

PudHead
PudHead

Hey here is an idea, bring all of our service people home and set up all army and air force training bases on our borders. Since the liberals don’t care that Muslims seem to be killing people all over and nothing is done. Why not just let them duke it out and we will “talk” with the winner….. right?

fedup52
fedup52

@PudHead Should have thought about it long time ago instead of invading countries willy nilly.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

What if Carly Fiorina’s husband, Frank, had been accused of rape, sexual assault, and been convicted of perjury?

What if Carly had done her best to slander all the women who made the accusations?

Jimmyliscious
Jimmyliscious

@DownInAlbany  I'll bet the lobbyists are already pouring money into the Clinton foundation so the Clintons can help those in need with the 10% leftover money after Clinton expenses.

LordHelpUs
LordHelpUs

@DownInAlbany What if CF's husband had been a twice elected President and one of the most popular President's ever...

Jimmyliscious
Jimmyliscious

@LordHelpUs @DownInAlbany What if CF's husband had been a twice elected President and one of the most popular President's ever...


Well that would obviously make his grafter wife qualified to be president also...(sarc)

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@LordHelpUs @Jimmyliscious @DownInAlbany What made her law career a success?

How about her successes as Senator?  Can you name specific accomplishments?

Secretary of State?  Care to tell us what, exactly, makes that tenure a success?

Jimmyliscious
Jimmyliscious

@DownInAlbany @LordHelpUs @Jimmyliscious  What made her law career a success?

How about her successes as Senator?  Can you name specific accomplishments?

Secretary of State?  Care to tell us what, exactly, makes that tenure a success?


WHAT DOES IT MATTER ANYWAY??