Bookman and Wingfield: Raising the minimum wage

kyle-JayThis week, Kyle and I sat down together to talk through the minimum wage, its impact and whether it needs to be raised. As you’ll see, we’re still tinkering with its structure, trying to find the right balance without veering off into the two-talking-heads-yelling-at-each-other format so prevalent in places.



For more reading on the subject (You know you want it):

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/jay-bookman/2014/feb/19/minimum-wage-issue-morality-well-economics/

http://m.ajc.com/weblogs/jay-bookman/2013/nov/12/no-relief-coming-americas-minimum-wage-workers/

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gotalife
gotalife

Old tired rw failed ideolgy talking points are old and tired.


Try a new ideolgy and new talking points.


Try using your own brain for a change and see what happens.


Change is constant.


Adapt or die.

IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

Anybody know what percent of the country has had it's wages cut because of all the immigrants working for, wait for it, less than the minimum wage?

gotalife
gotalife

" But the flaw of the miracle is more fundamental than its reliance on oil. For even when Texas could boast of the quantity of its jobs, it could never boast of their quality. Indeed, on two of the most crucial measures of job quality, Texas rates dead last."

In other words the Texas miracle are min. wage jobs

IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

Did you checked to see which groups are at 3% yet?


What do we want? Maid service. When do we want it? Now!

IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

So if you use the 2% of the population for minimum wage workers, that means there are more of them than there are gays. Is this increase a sign that the democrats eventually campaign on something other than the most minor issue possible?

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

I'm out in order to beat the rain home -- it looks like a storm's brewing in Sandy Springs.


All be well and drive safely.


Dusty2
Dusty2

Back to minimum wage.  No one is tied to a minimum wage job.  In America, the idea has always been that you do for yourself what you can or what you  strive for  because that IS freedom.   Independence is the state of being  free, mainly thinking and acting for one's self.

Being tied to government to control your life and your income is no different.  Some of you must have done it so long you have forgotten that you are designated as independent. Do you want to return to slavery which is total control by someone else?  The government? 


Think again before it is to late to save freedom.       

LeninTime
LeninTime

@Dusty2 

In America, the idea has always been that you do for yourself what you can or what you  strive for  because that IS freedom

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What do such dreams of yore have to do with the situation in which we now find ourselves?

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@LeninTime @Dusty2  In America, the idea has always been that you do for yourself what you can or what you  strive for  because that IS freedom.


And for the most part that is still true.


I was born poor in a millhouse in LaGrange GA. My mother worked all day and earned her MBA at night.


We were so poor even a modest meal was a real treat. We always ate off paper plates. I know what it feels like to go to bed hungry. 


But with hard work and Govt assistance we made it. Most Americans are just asking for the same chance. 


Those opportunities still exist for most. Even if the odds today are a bit longer. 

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@Dusty2 " No one is tied to a minimum wage job."


Rejected.  When there are few jobs available in your area and you lack the means to either educate yourself for a better job or to leave and seek greener pastures elsewhere, then yes, you're tied to a minimum wage job, or else unemployment.


Or, as I heard many young men complain during my time in the Army, "it was either flip burgers for minimum wage or get in a military uniform."


Dusty2
Dusty2

@LeninTime @Dusty2 


Dreams of yore, which you seem to have already lost,  are part of the Constitution of the USA.  Whether you like it or not, we are still a democratic Republic and that has not changed. My condolences on your loss.  There are losers in every system. Thankfully they are a minority. 

Dusty2
Dusty2

@LeninTime @Dusty2 


Sorry, Headley, that you grew up in the depression.  So did a large percentage of Americans but they moved on, most without bitterness. 

I am for government designated  for our protection, not our sustenance.  When 50% of Americans are receiving government funds for one thing or another, we have passed the zenith.  We are no longer independent citizens.  We have lost personal control.  I'm sorry you gave up independence  for politics.  You should know better   All of us should. 

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@Dusty2 @LeninTime Sorry, Headley, that you grew up in the depression.


I grew up in the 70's


Without welfare and food stamps we would have never made it.


It gave us a floor and firm footing that we could get up from. 

Dusty2
Dusty2

@Tuna Meowt @Dusty2 


Perhaps you are right, Tuna.  Some people cannot escape a minimum wage job.  The reason being they are less than capable of anything that requires skill,  concentration or dedication.  There ARE jobs available.  They require the abilities I have just named.

The AJC recently reported that employers are having a hard time finding people for their available jobs.  They say people ask for interviews and then never show up for appointments.  Why do you think that is? 

Infraredguy
Infraredguy

Well, I am against raising it for Bookman, he's already overpaid 

LeninTime
LeninTime

@HeadleyLamar 

Re: China. 

I think its pretty obvious.

They reformed and moved towards a market based economy.

They had no choice. 

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Sure. The advanced capitalist world, faced with a crisis of declining profits beginning after the end of the post-war boom in the 1970s, needed a low wage platform where it could try to maintain profits by exploiting cheap labor and avoid having to face up to a long term decline in profit margins for a little longer. But now that the process has run its course, we're seeing stagnation set in throughout the world capitalist system, both developed and less developed. The experience of China over the period of its market 'reforms' cannot in any way serve as a basis for drawing any long term conclusions about its turn towards market capitalist production. 

Capitalism remains, as before, a system in crisis.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@LeninTime @HeadleyLamar Capitalism remains, as before, a system in crisis.


No matter how many times you click your heels and wish it that still wont be true. 

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@LeninTime @HeadleyLamar The experience of China over the period of its market 'reforms' cannot in any way serve as a basis for drawing any long term conclusions about its turn towards market capitalist production. 


The fact you choose to ignore what is so plainly obvious says it all comrade.


How many people throughout human history have immigrated TO a communist country


How many have headed in the other direction


That isn't a coincidence either comrade. 

LeninTime
LeninTime

@HeadleyLamar

Capitalism remains, as before, a system in crisis.

No matter how many times you click your heels and wish it that still wont be true.

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Are you denying that the capitalist system is in crisis?

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@LeninTime @HeadleyLamar Yes


Market based economies will always outperform centrally planned ones.


We have a perfect example with the two Koreas. 


A homogenous society with an artificial border


On one side. Centrally planned economy and socialism. Its a failed state


To the South the same people with a market based economy are thriving.


We have seen this over and over and no amount of Marx BS is going to change that. 



LeninTime
LeninTime

@HeadleyLamar 

Yes

Market based economies will always outperform centrally planned ones.

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But I wasn't asking for a comparison. I was merely asking whether you agree that the capitalist system is in crisis.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@LeninTime @HeadleyLamar But only a comparison makes sense.


Because we have to live with one or the other. 


This isn't an academic exercise on paper. Its the real world. 

LeninTime
LeninTime

@HeadleyLamar @LeninTime @CommonSenseisntCommon 

Socialist countries take that blue ribbon

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Socialist countries? Really Headley? 

Sorry, but you're off the mark again.

Just look at Europe. If that were true, we would expect to see the greatest corruption in Europe in the more social-market/socialist model norther countries. But where do you in fact find more corruption, in places like Scandinavia or in the south? 

gotalife
gotalife

ireport,

Give us your honest opinion on the trade deal and is it your fascism?

gotalife
gotalife

Nothing on drudgey today ireport spam?

IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

Everybody has their life played back before their eyes when they think that they might die. It's a common phrase, "saw my life flash before my eyes." I wonder if victims of abortion see what their life could have been, before it was cut short by the liberals?

gotalife
gotalife

@IReportYouWhine#1 Liiiibbbbbeeeeerrrrrraaaaaaallllls. Yeah it is all their fault. How dare them fight your corporate puppets. Idiot.

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@IReportYouWhine#1 How much do you remember from your time in utero, Pumpkin?


Do you remember all the smoking and drinking your mother did while you were in residence there?


IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

 He and you were all hot and bothered about 1 percent of abortions that happened after 20 weeks. But 2 percent of wage earners doesn't matter. Can you see the problem there ?


You do understand the difference between being shorted a few dollars versus being dead, right?

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@IReportYouWhine#1 You do understand those abortions done after 20 weeks are on the advice of the doctor when the baby will be born with severe deformities and in enormous pain


Of course you dont. 

Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@IReportYouWhine#1 "being shorted a few dollars versus being dead, right?"


You do realize that being a fetus doesn't mean that you're actually alive, right?


Newspapers run birth announcements, not conception announcements.


Insurers won't insure the life of a fetus, but they will insure the life of an actual breathing, pewping infant.


You can't claim a fetus as a dependent on your taxes.



If you don't care for abortions, that's fine -- simply don't have one.  But get your useless carcass out of the way of others who might just want one themselves.


Tuna Meowt
Tuna Meowt

@Infraredguy @Tuna Meowt "to late, you're already on the welfare roles"


Oh, Pumpkin, not even close.


I'm not in six-figure territory any longer, but I'm still quite well-paid.