Gay marriage issue poses long-term quandary to some

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“I will not officiate over any same-sex unions or same-sex marriage ceremonies,” the Rev. Ronnie Floyd of Arkansas, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, defiantly promised a conference of fellow Baptists meeting in Columbus, Ohio last week.

To which I say a hearty “amen”.

A statement issued the next day by Floyd and 16 former SBC presidents expressed the same attitude:

“Consequently, we will not accept, nor adhere to, any legal redefinition of marriage issued by any political or judicial body including the United States Supreme Court. We will not recognize same-sex ‘marriages’, our churches will not host same-sex ceremonies, and we will not perform such ceremonies.”

To which I also say “amen.”

I may disagree strongly with Baptist leadership on the legitimacy of gay marriage, but any American ought to defend their right to hold that opinion, and to honor that opinion in their churches and religious life.

If you believe that same-sex marriages are wrong, if you believe that such relationships are sinful in the eyes of the God whom you worship, then nothing the law says can force you to officiate over such marriage, to allow such ceremonies in your church, synagogue or mosque, or to participate in them. Even if the Supreme Court rules as expected that gay Americans have the same legal right to marry as do straight Americans, the First Amendment will protect the right to continue to believe otherwise.

But we do have difficult conflicts ahead of us. To cite a specific example, will Baptist universities that hire a wide range of people to perform their education mission remain eligible for federal student-loan programs if they deny same-sex married couples the right to live in dorms reserved for married students?

At the moment, it’s not a big concern, because no federal law outlaws discrimination against gay Americans. Nationwide, and in Georgia and 28 other states, there are no laws against firing a gay person for being gay, or refusing to do business with a gay person. However, passage of such a law is probable within the next decade, and at that point refusing to treat gay couples the same as straight couples will become much more difficult to sustain while remaining eligible for federal programs.

In their statement reiterating their stance against gay marriage, SBC presidents also stressed their support for individuals who defend “natural marriage” in the corporate and business world.

“Members of our congregations, Christians everywhere, are being asked to support something in their business environment which is unconscionable,” the Rev. Jack Graham of Texas explained. “Whether it’s an HR department demanding that you showing up for diversity days and being supportive, members of our churches already being passed over, discriminated against, punished in some way because they refuse to bow down to this politically correct movement that wants to redefine marriage.”

On that point, I can offer Graham no reassurance. In years to come, the business and social culture is not going to give a pass to Baptists and others for what will increasingly be seen as anti-gay bigotry, and I can’t argue that they should. If that puts Baptists in a quandary, it is a quandary that that only they can resolve.

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jerryeads
jerryeads

Jay, I apologize for not having read all 914 posts preceding, as it may have already been said, BUT:

Last time I checked, history is pretty clear that the sorts of people who prostitute the Bible to justify their bigotry against gays are the very same types who prostituted the Bible to justify segregation of people of different skin color. These people are no more Christian than those who prostitute the Quran to justify murdering innocents are Muslim.

IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

 Time after time, we see that these killers tell us they pick soft targets. With justtwo exceptions, from at least 1950, all the mass public shootings have occurred in these gun-free zones. From last summer’s mass public killers in Santa Barbara and Canada, to the Aurora movie theater shooter, these killers made it abundantly clear in their diaries or on Facebook how they avoided targets where people with guns could stop them.


fact


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/06/18/gun-free-zones-easy-target-for-killers.html

GMFA
GMFA

Watch Fox do you. And then you even reference their work. Next please

Bulls_3y3
Bulls_3y3

Reports today show that Jonathan Gruber was heard as hero at WH and considered to be major contributor in the development of ACA... Does that mean President Obama lied to us about Gruber on 11/17/14??? 


Let's review: 1. American voters are stupid.  2. Obama lies to American voters


Did I miss anything???

honested
honested

@Bulls_3y3 

If that is what you take away, I believe you missed EVERYTHING.

Pay attention to REAL NEWS next time.

gotalife
gotalife

roof is the gop and that rw terrorist party is covered in American blood and foreign corruption.


Shut it down before they do another job genocide trade deal.

Wena Mow Masipa How
Wena Mow Masipa How


To IReportYouWhine#1, I dedicate the following ditty.  May Mr. IReport one day have the courage to be the man that deep down he desperately seems to want to be...


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gotalife
gotalife

 We can do much better and are better than our failed governments.

gotalife
gotalife

The federal government failed to keep the people safe from rw terrorism. Everything needs  reform. Time to shut it down, disband both parties, start new parties with term limits and get the money out of politics.


Until then you only get tiny baby steps of change.

straker
straker

Headly


I think all this talk from politicians about taking down the confederate flag is just smoke and mirrors.


They know many will think they're on the right side politically while also knowing that flying or not flying that flag had nothing to do with that church shooting.

KUTGF
KUTGF

SC gov to call for removal of con flag from state grounds.


Small steps to progress. 

IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

@HeadleyLamar It should have been taken down 150 years ago but the Yankees were too wore out fighting the democrats to free the slaves. 


Good riddance, I say.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@InTheMiddle2 

There were Christian slaves in the Bible, but, unlike his statement reads, they were not the only slaves.  Anyone with cursory knowledge of the Bible would know that.  Even non-Christians would know the foolishness of that statement just from watching Charlton Heston and Yul Brynner every Easter.

KUTGF
KUTGF

@Brosephus I remember Charlton telling the Pharaoh.... "Get your hands off me you dirty ape and pry this gun from my cold dead hand" And then he crossed the Delaware after making a left in Albuquerque and a right at the Statue of Liberty.  The music from Chariots of Fire then started as he ran slow motion across the beach toward Bo Derek in beads. 

Brosephus
Brosephus

@IReportYouWhine#1 

"you'd be surprised to find out the Christians were the slaves in that Good Book."

Interesting...  So, Moses freed Christians who were Christians even before Christ walked upon the face of the Earth.

The things I learn at Bookman's....

IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

dylan thought he could correct the bad behavior with a handgun, the federal government now does the same thing with your tax dollars.


Rat fascism.

IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

@HeadleyLamar Of course, getting health insurance isn’t a cure-all. Plenty of plans sold through ACA exchanges are thin and force customers to pay many out-of-pocket costs.


Straight from your own article. Health insurance that no one can afford to use.



InTheMiddle2
InTheMiddle2

@HeadleyLamar Wanna buy an island. Got one just off the east coast. It's an old island called "manhattan". You seem to be just the person that would be willing to make the purchase.

IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

A stupid mob action is all it is. Honest to God, a preacher, a freaking preacher, doesn't want to participate in deviancy, why would this rile up a normal person? I've seen people in the neighborhood kneeling towards mecca, I don't shoot em up or write them a ticket or scream at them. I don't even care. What is your problem? Your major malfunction? Your dylan root complex? Are you so ruined that "correcting" the behavior of everyone else in the world makes it all better somehow?


It's a disease. Rat fascism.



IReportYouWhine#1
IReportYouWhine#1

@HeadleyLamar @IReportYouWhine#1 What does this mean then?


However, passage of such a law is probable within the next decade, and at that point refusing to treat gay couples the same as straight couples will become much more difficult to sustain while remaining eligible for federal programs.

td1234
td1234

@HeadleyLamar What about being forced to do business with or facilitate actions that are consciously objectionable? 

LogicalDude
LogicalDude

@td1234 @HeadleyLamar If you don't want to be forced to serve anyone, please post your bigotry on the door to let consumers know that you do not want to be forced to serve everyone equally. 

td1234
td1234

@HeadleyLamar And that was a mistake also for the government to come into a private business and dictate to the owner in what way the person wants to run their business. 


The marketplace should dictate its approval or disapproval of any businesses actions and reward or punish accordingly. 

KUTGF
KUTGF

@td1234 History has proven otherwise. It was not a mistake and should be the policy.  Perhaps you should read up on your history of the CCC and the failure of the marketplace.

consumedconsumer
consumedconsumer

@td1234 on many things yes. on discriminatory things. nope. we've got a long history of playing lip service to such things when they aren't mandated.

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@IReportYouWhine#1 @HeadleyLamar 

It's against the law for organizations that receive federal funds to participate in illegal discrimination.  That's the legal basis for the Affirmative Action laws that public schools, public corporations, and so on that receive any federal funds must follow. If marriage between gay people becomes legal, then organizations that receive federal funds must recognize that such marriage is legal and treat such married people without discrimination.  I think that was Bookman's point.