Wingfield and Bookman discuss the battle flag

kyle-Jay

In this week’s conversation, Kyle and I take on the complex questions of heritage, hate and history revolving around the Confederate flag. We’re still experimenting with tone and length, and as you’ll see, we let the camera run a bit longer on this one.

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Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

 It was a battle flag. It is to honor Robert E. Lee


To state the obvious, Ann Coulter is, was, and probably will always be, a liar.

Heading upsteairs.

Renteroo
Renteroo

@Recon2/3

Working link please. Else you're not being truthful with us.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@Brosephus @Recon2/3  Then again a reasonable person would take their business somewhere that it's wanted.  Problem solved.

Of course, "reasonable" is not a word usually associated with radical groups.

Menace
Menace

@Brosephus @Recon2/3 The nation is still based upon laws.  I don't like the law that allows a buffoon to walk thru the airport with an AR-15, but, I have to respect it.  If you own a business you must follow the laws regarding servicing the public or face the consequences.


Actually, I see some good in denying service laws because I'd hate to do business with a bigoted jerk.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@Recon2/3 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/07/02/christian-bakers-fined-135000-for-refusing-to-make-wedding-cake-for-lesbians.html

The Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industry (BOLI) awarded $60,000 to Laurel Bowman-Cryer and $75,000 in damages to Rachel Bowman-Cryer for “emotional suffering.” 

“This case is not about a wedding cake or a marriage,” the final order read. “It is about a business’s refusal to serve someone because of their sexual orientation. Under Oregon law, that is illegal.”

So, should one be above the law just because of their religious beliefs, or does the law apply equally to all.  Such is the conundrum we face here.

refaz
refaz

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Captain-Obvious
Captain-Obvious

Good morning, Bookmaniacs!

What are you going to be offended by today?

~moonbat_betty~
~moonbat_betty~

~Tonic


 If you could only see the way she loves me

Then maybe you would understand
Why I feel this way about our love
And what I must do
If you could only see how blue her eyes can be when she says
When she says she loves me



josef
josef

Time to check out...a rather enjoyable time here this p.m.  Sorry, IMAM, you're going to have to try harder!  LOL

The Doom
The Doom

Mart E,

I just checked back in to see you talking about your drama and theater experience. That was quite an interesting piece you wrote on your experiences. I can tell that over 50 years later you still enjoy reflecting on those experiences. Oh what it is to reminisce about our youth!

Anyway, just wanted to say I thought that was an enjoyable read.

josef
josef

It's nice when the folks partying down the street are playing music you like. 

Bruno2
Bruno2

@josef I guess I better turn it down if you can hear me all the way in Mississsippi

JamVet
JamVet

 "July fourth is just around the corner. Soon we will once again celebrate the birth of our nation and of our freedoms. It will be fitting that our state Capitol will soon fly the flags of our country and of our state, AND NO OTHERS."~South Carolina Governor, Nikki Haley

Captain-Obvious
Captain-Obvious

@JamVet  Awwwww. JamVet has a new pet Republican.

Right up until she does something he doesn't like.

Then he'll go right back to his usual name-calling.

JamVet
JamVet

COULTER: I’m a student of American history, so I’m appalled by — though I would really like to like Nikki Haley since she is a Republican. On the other hand, she is an immigrant and does not understand America’s history. The flag we’re talking about –

KENNEDY: You think immigrants can’t understand the history?

COULTER: Well, she doesn’t. The Confederate flag we’re talking about never flew over an official Confederate building. It was a battle flag. It is to honor Robert E. Lee. And anyone who knows the first thing about military history, knows that there is no greater army that ever took the field than the Confederate Army.

JKLtwo
JKLtwo

@JamVet kennedy is an idiot. She was terrible as a VJ.  She must be great in bed because I don't know any other reason why she's still on TV.

JamVet
JamVet

"But we are not going to allow this symbol to divide us any longer. The fact that people are choosing to use it as a sign of hate is a something we cannot stand. The fact that it causes pain to so many is enough to move it from the Capitol grounds – it is, after all, a Capitol that belongs to all of us." ~South Carolina Governor, Nikki Haley

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Thanks to those who helped me view the debate of the week on the flying of the Confederate flag.  Here's my quick review of the production.  I, also, have posted a couple of thoughtful entries on Kyle's blog for anyone who wishes to read my thoughts on the issue, itself.  My remarks may be a little too heavy for the usual evening lightheartedness on this blog.  Don't want to intrude with the natural dialogue rhythm exchange, here.


About the video.  This is definitely the best video yet.  If Kyle and Jay start with a syndication of this video series (and I recommend that they do), I would start with this one.  Here's why.


You are both columnists for a major Southern newspaper.  The topic has been debated in the South for 150 years, so it is an appropriate beginning topic with which to begin your series.  



You have found your own rhythm together that is natural for you both.  It was so much more relaxed in delivery than ever before.  You actually talk with one another with personal friendliness and with no rancor.  How refreshing after Siskel and Ebert's antagonistic, but friendly style of years ago - though that was a fine production series, too.


Jay has lessened his hand and arm movements to a natural use instead of use from nervousness before the camera, and Kyle has now incorporated more hand/arm movements instead of not having any, as his way of demonstrating that he, too, is more relaxed before the camera.


I liked the interspersing of the videos of still photos (the flag) and moving scenery (traffic in Dalton) among others.  Gives variation and keeps at bay boredom with words alone in this media age.


You both are breaking into natural humor between yourselves (driver's ability to drive) and self mocking (Jay's NASCAR reference with irony and previously Kyle's self-mocking about a brief memory loss).


The 10 minutes works better than 3 minutes because the listener can focus on the ideas and not be rushed and both Jay and Kyle can get into a real conversation with one another, which is always enjoyable to the audience.


Trust me - this production series is a winner!  Stay with it!  And, good luck!


~moonbat_betty~
~moonbat_betty~

@MaryElizabethSings

ME, are you a movie producer?

What happened to Spiritual and Evolved ME?

I think you should ask the ajc if you could take over and direct these clashes between ying and yang, good and bad, Kyle and Jay.

Good Job.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@Salacious_Crumb 


I was a drama major before I got practical and switched to English.  :-)   And, not to brag, but I was cast in 5 of the 10 summer stock productions at the Southbury Playhouse in Connecticut in the summer of 1961, where Alan Alda (of TV's "MASH") was the star in a packaged production which came through for a week.  Two of the plays I remember being in specifically that summer of my youth (where I met my first husband) were Thomas Wolfe's "Look Homeward, Angel," and "The Trial of Mary Dugan" a popular play of that era, or just before that era.  Taught drama one summer with the DCSS here and wrote and directed a play based on the Greek myth of the Goddess who was idolized by the sculptor (Pygmalion) in three scenes for my high school students based on the George Bernard Shaw play, "Pgymalion" with Wendy Hiller, the musical version called "My Fair Lady," with Audrey Hepburn, and the modern film version of both called "Pretty Woman," with Richard Gere and Julia Roberts.

josef
josef

@MaryElizabethSings @Salacious_Crumb 


"Our lives are haunted by a Georgia slantern, because a British cutpurse went unhung."

--Thomas Wolfe


How could I possibly resist!  LOL


Loved Wendy Hiller!  "Murder on the Orient Express!"

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@josef @MaryElizabethSings @Salacious_Crumb


For which Ingrid Bergman won the Best Supporting Actress Academy Award for that same film production with the incomparable Wendy Hiller, as the older aristocrat, similar to Maggie Smith's character now in "Downton Abby."  (Last season next year, btw, for fans.)

josef
josef

@MaryElizabethSings @josef @Bruno2 @Salacious_Crumb 


I also was chosen for Shylock.  I wanted to refuse.  Granddaddy wouldn't let me. He said I would probably be able to bring something to the character "to make them think."


"Oh, my daughters!  Oh, my ducats!" 


Yeah, right! 

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@josef @MaryElizabethSings @Salacious_Crumb


Yes, I loved the David Suchet production of "Murder on the Orient Express" as much on Masterpiece Theatre on PBS.  Afterwards, Suchet did a documentary of the same route taken by that same type of train through Europe and Asia today.  Very interesting.  He's a fine British actor.  Had a crush on him  as Poirot, which my child could never understand!  ;-)

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@josef @MaryElizabethSings @Bruno2 @Salacious_Crumb


No, but I'll bet Pacino was fantastic as Shylock.  He is an actor of great skill and depth.  Particularly liked his character portrayal in "Scent of a Woman" as the blind military officer.  Here he is doing the Tango, a blind man - beautiful, elegant, sexy job!


He was also wonderful in that movie defending the young man whose parents were not there to support him in the college "trial" scene.  Powerful!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2zTd_YwTvo



MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@josef @Salacious_Crumb 


Latest tidbit on David Suchet's acting skills and performance: (from Wikipedia)


"He will be starring as Lady Bracknell in The Importance of Being Earnest by Oscar Wilde at the Vaudeville Theatre in London in June 2015 and on tour."


Lady Bracknell was the first full character I ever played on the stage, when I was in early high school.  That is when my love of theatre and acting began.  Btw, Suchet is a happily married man with two children, and same wife for decades.  To take on playing an old, aristocratic woman in his late 60s or early 70s is amazing.  Always reaching higher and breaking through preconceived ideas of others.  That's David Suchet, Jewish with a truly English well-mannered demeanor.