Heritage? OK, which heritage do you choose?

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“I think it wiser moreover not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavoured to obliterate the marks of civil strife and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered.”

— Gen. Robert E. Lee

In a speech last week at the National Press Club, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry talked with a rare degree of honesty about the difficulties that Republicans face in trying to reach black voters. Unlike some conservatives, he didn’t belittle black Americans with talk about how they were being bought off with “free stuff”. He didn’t insult their character or intelligence by accusing them of living contently on the Democratic “plantation”.

Instead, Perry admitted that black Americans have cause for feeling unwelcome. They do not listen to or consider the Republican Party as an option because the Republican Party has not cared to be that option.

“I know Republicans have much to do to earn the trust of African-Americans,” Perry said. “Blacks know that Republican Barry Goldwater in 1964 ran against Lyndon Johnson, who was a champion for civil rights. They know that Barry Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.”

“For too long, we Republicans have been content to lose the black vote, because we found we didn’t need it to win. But when we gave up trying to win the support of African-Americans, we lost our moral legitimacy as the party of Lincoln, as the party of equal opportunity for all. It’s time for us, once again, to reclaim our heritage as the only party in our country founded on the principle of freedom for African-Americans.”

And yet later today, at Republican insistence, the U.S. House of Representatives will be voting on an amendment that would reverse National Park Service policy in the wake of the Charleston shooting. If approved, it would once again allow the display of the Confederate battle flag over national cemeteries, and once again allow the sale of flag-related memorabilia at national parks. Large numbers of Republicans, most of them from here in the South, are reportedly refusing to support the larger appropriations bill unless the amendment to reinstate the Confederate battle flag is approved.

(UPDATE: At a press conference today, House Speaker John Boehner announced that he was pulling the appropriations bill from the calendar.

“We all witnessed the people of Charleston and South Carolina come together in a respectful way to deal with what was a very horrific crime and a very difficult issue with the Confederate flag,” Boehner said. “I actually think it is time for some adults in Congress to actually sit down and have a conversation about how to address this issue.”

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.)

In his speech, Perry spoke of refurbishing his party’s heritage as the party of abolition, as the party of Lincoln. But with their vote today, Republican legislators will reiterate and reinforce the notion that the heritage represented in that flag is more important to them than their heritage as the party of Lincoln. They will once again confirm in the minds of black Americans that the Republican Party is not interested in their votes, in their support or their loyalty.

Listen to state Rep. Jenny Horne, a South Carolina Republican and descendant of Jefferson Davis, in comments last night on the floor of the South Carolina House of Representatives.

One by one, Horne pointed out black colleagues in the House to whom that flag represents not just the battle to sustain slavery but the subsequent century-long battle to suppress the descendants of those slaves, to keep them in a state of officially mandated subservience.  To them, she now understood, that flag is and always will be a symbol of hate and repression, and having recognized that reality, she said, she could no longer support it. At a moment in the debate when the outcome was very much in doubt, Horne publicly shamed her colleagues into doing the right thing.

Yet today, up in Washington, we may very well see the opposite. I just find that remarkable.

 

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Corey
Corey

The oldest of eight children, Ida B. Wells was born in Holly Springs, Mississippi. Her parents, who were very active in the Republican Party during Reconstruction, died in a yellow fever epidemic in the late 1870s. Wells attended Rust College and then became a teacher in Memphis, Tennessee. Shortly after she arrived, Wells was involved in an altercation with a white conductor while riding the railroad. She had purchased a first-class ticket, and was seated in the ladies car when the conductor ordered her to sit in the Jim Crow (i.e. black) section, which did not offer first-class accommodations. She refused and when the conductor tried to remove her, she "fastened her teeth on the back of his hand." Wells was ejected from the train, and she sued. She won her case in a lower court, but the decision was reversed in an appeals court.


While living in Memphis, Wells became a co-owner and editor of a local black newspaper called THE FREE SPEECH AND HEADLIGHT. Writing her editorials under the pseudonym "Iola," she condemned violence against blacks, disfranchisement, poor schools, and the failure of black people to fight for their rights. She was fired from her teaching job and became a full-time journalist. In 1892, Tom Moss, a respected black store owner and friend of Barnett, was lynched, along with two of his friends, after defending his store against an attack by whites. Wells, outraged, attacked the evils of lynching in her newspaper; she also encouraged the black residents of Memphis to leave town. When Wells was out of town, her newspaper was destroyed by a mob and she was warned not to return to Memphis because her life was in danger. Wells took her anti-lynching campaign to England and was well received. 

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

Hey, josef, since you seem to be on the scene right now-- are you a married guy yet? Were you married under the canopy, and all that? Hope it's soon, if not yet!

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@josef 

Ah yes, Louisiana's fleur de lys as an emblem of France's Code Noir, laws that governed all French colonies with slaves. So should Louisiana do away with it on all of its public buildings?


The historian quoted here doesn't mention that, for all its brutalities, the Code was more humane than the South's general rules on chattel slavery for it allowed slaves certain human rights: to marry and to be baptized a Christian (both actions against the law for slaves in many states...once you acknowledge that a slave has a soul, where will it end?!).

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

It looks like this thread is just about played out, but I want to testify to my heritage in connection to this Stars and Bars flag that was the Confederate battle flag. I can't tell you how glad I am to see it taken down.

It would have been the flag that my great-great grandfather, a Union Captain, saw through the battle smoke as he lay wounded on a hillside during the Battle of Monacacy from 11 a.m. till nightfall, when he was picked up by a Union ambulance wagon and transported to the Baltimore Army Hospital. Thousands of men died around him, but he survived with a serious thigh wound, and did not even have his leg amputated, as so many soldiers did with leg wounds. This battle was a significant one, for it was right outside Washington, DC, and kept the Confederates at bay for a day who were trying to invade the Capitol before General Grant could return with his troops.  That day was enough...Grant returned.  Lincoln, of course, was in Washington at the time.


So the Union has prevailed and grown stronger since that day. Thank God the battle flag that my g-g-father saw has come down at last.



barkingfrog
barkingfrog

I wonder if Dixie will be played on FNM ..

cloudodust
cloudodust

Why do Libs fear freedom, any freedom that disagrees with their line of opinion..? Everyone is free to think and act in accordance with the age old life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness while, IMHO, as long as one does not physically cause harm to another or seeks to provoke mental anguish upon his fellow people-kind, one has a right to free expression and opinion. Crickets, just read the comments from the mass of Left on this page (pick a day, any day) and you'll see they love to prance and primp for each other. I praise in advance the Lefty that may one day disagree with the others of it's ilk. It will truly be a day remembered. Course, I'll not see it as I come aboard ever so infrequent but I do so enjoy my visits to La-La-La Land when time permits.

Dusty2
Dusty2

Folks,


You DO NOT decide on an inheritance.  You are given one by the past. 


If you don' t like it, too bad.  ADJUST!  You cannot change the past, only the future.


Some are making bad choices.  Freedom is too precious to lose and I advocate keeping it..   

honested
honested

@Dusty2 

That's why I have pursued freedom from ignorance and attachment to false glory.

TBS
TBS

Adjustments were made today

The flag in South Carolina came down

You will get over it or you won't get over it

Peace

TBS
TBS

So jk says the guy should leave the country

If not mistaken jk isn't from the south but is as butt hurt as any about the flag coming down

Hilarious

Brosephus
Brosephus

Bookmanites

Tighten your seatbelts and strap on your helmets and pads.

Sanctuary City Sheetz!!!!

gotalife
gotalife

The gop decided not to fight the flag thingie too much. They knew it was time for it to go. There is more to Southern culture than the racist traitor losing rebels. Honor the innovations invented in the South, food, music, moon shine, etc....


My deportation rhetoric is because of rw rhetoric for Latinos and my people back in the day. Don't take it personally, pay back is hell.

ScubaSteve
ScubaSteve

You have to be some kind of stupid to b*tch about Black people not "assimilating" to American culture out of one side of your mouth while loudly howling & protesting when asked to retire the Confederate flag out of the other. 

ATL56Native
ATL56Native

Wasn't it the Dems that had a former KKK person in Congress not to long ago ? 

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@ATL56Native


They've had several. Which one do you refer to? And don't forget the Dems like FDR were putting ex Klansman on the Supreme Court- Hugo Black. 

josef
josef

IMAM


Well, looks like you got the hate-pot a'stir...good job. 


Now, I'll go to meet up with the rabbi and see if we can get that wedding set up before Gotalife deports me and Lincoln's minions come with the Buffalo Soldiers to be shed of Unmentionable...


LOL (sorta)

gotalife
gotalife

@josef Deport or lock up those who refuse to coexist in our country. I will let you slide.

Dusty2
Dusty2

@josef 


Dear Josef,


Carry many gold shekels for the Rabbi (for the good of mankind and other needs).


Tell Unmentionable I am running a Sanctuary House (the rates are low) if he needs it..  The secret door is open, the one with the big X out front..   Good luck!!!!

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@josef 

In my experience, when you lance a boil the pus comes out and it can start to heal.

The best of everything for your approaching wedding... at least you can be sure that this marriage will last!

gotalife
gotalife

gop got run over on this debate.Even in the house. Love it when that happens. Of course they never let losing go and will keep trying.

Brosephus
Brosephus

Hey VC, do you ever listen to Joe Rogan's podcasts?

TBS
TBS

The flaggots are upset today

The funnier ones are those who have said they are ok with the flag coming down but have had numerous comments that pretty much say they are not ok one iota

Georgiacitizen
Georgiacitizen

I choose both. I am an American of Confederate heritage. I respect people of all heritages and believe that this country is still the "melting pot." My heritage is just as important as anyone else's and no more important than anyone else's. No one's heritage should removed from the "pot." Diversity is one of the things that makes this country great. Everyone makes an important contribution.  

josef
josef

@Georgiacitizen 


Be very careful, Mec, the officers of both inquisitions will come for YOU! LOL

TBS
TBS

Now what was going on in 1961 that drove the state of South Carolina to do what they did with the csa flag?

Was it heritage?

Did you or your parents have less pride and heritage before 1961?

South Carolina did the right thing

For those who don't like it I say too bad

And I'm good with saying as much

I've been more than fair with the heritage folks by saying I personally think there are some who are legit but not many are stepping up to denounce a lot of the bigotogy and not so heritage folks who are pissed about the flag

barkingfrog
barkingfrog

@Georgiacitizen 

Do you feel the same way about Mexicans entering the Southwest seeking

their heritage without benefit of documentation ?

libh8ter1
libh8ter1

Awww, did someone get their feelings hurt?  The PC police deleting deleting deleting.   The tolerance of lib progressives.....hahahahahah

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

WSB radio news just reported an arrest has been made in the Carrollton shooting death of a young pregnant woman.  The guy has been charged with murder and feticide, and rightly so.


However, had that woman not suffered murder and had an abortion on her own, there would have been no notice to the feticide.


That is not to defend the criminal, but instead to point out the totally illogical laws on abortion. 

honested
honested

@JohnnyReb 

Yet another place to celebrate where Adult Citizens have been freed from the rule of religious freaks!

InTheMiddle2
InTheMiddle2

@JohnnyReb I guess the correct charge (instead of fecticide) is "ciminal prevention of her right to choose", that's the real crime.

Dusty2
Dusty2

@honested @JohnnyReb

HONESTED...


RELIGIOUS FREAKS?  Now the Confederate flag had something to do with "the rule of religious freaks"?  Methinks you were released too early this morning.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@JohnnyReb


I've always wondered about that also. If someone murders a pregnant woman who is in her first trimester why is it a double murder? The same woman can have an abortion in the first trimester and there's no murder charge. Completely illogical. And what do you do if the woman is a month or 2 pregnant and was planning to have an abortion? Does the criminal still get charged with a 2nd murder even if close family or friends knew the woman was going to abort the pregnancy?

barkingfrog
barkingfrog

@JohnnyReb 

" That is not to defend the criminal, but instead to point out the totally illogical laws on abortion. "


Illogical or not it's the law.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@JohnnyReb 

"That is not to defend the criminal, but instead to point out the totally illogical laws on abortion."

It's a way to stack charges on the person who committed the crime.  The more charges he can be found guilty of, the longer he can be incarcerated.  It has little to nothing to do with abortion or the laws governing abortion.

That person will face a list of charges in addition to the two you mentioned.

honested
honested

@Dusty2 @honested @JohnnyReb 

The post suggested a sleight at Roe vs. Wade, the LAW OF THE LAND in the UNITED STATES and the incessant efforts by religious freaks to interfere with that law.

You might want to read a little more carefully (especially the big words) and you too can keep up.

honested
honested

@Doom Classical liberal @JohnnyReb 

You might want to acquaint yourself with definitions (especially legal definitions) of words like 'murder' and 'choice'. 

The key in your simpleton example is 'choice' but in some sectors of the country the 'choice' is pre-ordained by religious freaks and everyone else is expected to obey.

Luckily, the LAW does not agree with that absurd contention.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@honested


You might want to acquaint yourself with basic logic and critical thinking skills. 


So if a woman kills the fetus its "choice". But if a guy kills the same fetus its "murder". 


My box of rocks has more rational thinking skills than you. 


honested
honested

@Doom Classical liberal @honested 

Can you fathom the difference between a sentient, adult individual making a choice whether to bear a symbiote for 21 years and an external individual committing violence against the Sentient Adult and the symbiote she may have decided to bear?

Life must be easier when the world is limited to simpleton logic.

Dusty2
Dusty2

Where is Bookman this morning?  Is he over in SC shooting fireworks  and the sort of thing  that Northerners do when Sherman is celebrated ??  I do hope Columbia is not burned again.. 


Not a thing has changed for better or worse by taking an old flag down.  What is going to be blamed next for any dislike that pops up? Or any murdering act?  OH, beware of those who  do "good work" without reason.  It may do more harm than good..   


Not a good day!  Besides that, Dr.Zhivago  is dead. No, I did not put up a flag to remember him.  The Russians might take it down.

honested
honested

@Dusty2 @JamVet 

You need to get out and talk to more normal people.

It might just surprise you.

TBS
TBS

Some would beg to differ on it not being a good day

Hope you are able to salvage something out of it

Look at the bright side

It's still early

Lol

Brosephus
Brosephus

@Dusty2 

"Not a thing has changed for better or worse by taking an old flag down."

That's entirely subjective.  I would suggest you ask those who were beaten by those who waved that flag, but I'm sure you already know that some people do see change today even though you and others don't.  Besides, if it's an old flag, as you suggest, why are people upset about it being taken down?

honested
honested

@Dusty2 

Aint' it grand that toothless morons wrapped in Traitor flags can no longer rule by fear, intimidation and violence!

It took over 5 decades of hard work but now average Southerners can remember the confederates for the Traitors they are with no fear of reprisal.

JamVet
JamVet

@Dusty2 

Not a good day.

It is for millions of Americans who were repulsed by the sight of that treasonous flag in such a place of honor.

What's wrong with you?

LOL!

Captain-Obvious
Captain-Obvious

@JamVet @Dusty2  "It is for millions of Americans who were repulsed by the sight of that treasonous flag in such a place of honor."

Oh, you mean for the professional whiners like you, JamVet . . . .

And tell us all, O great historian, just how many Southerers were accused, tried and convicted of treason for participating in the Civil War. In short, you can shove your "treasonous" label where most of your comments come from. 

Dusty2
Dusty2

@JamVet @Dusty2

JAMVET

Your imagination is exceeded only by your ignorance.  Please refrain from spreading it around during lunch hour.

Dusty2
Dusty2

@honested @Dusty2 


Honested

Go build a bonfire for your trashy remarks.  You can't even  understand freedom when it is handed to you.


Don't kill it.  You need it.

libh8ter1
libh8ter1

@JamVet -


Do you do anything but blog on Bookman all day?  Take your meds and get outside.  I promise as a grown up you won't get bullied like you did as a kid.



Dusty2
Dusty2

@TBS 


OH YES    TBS


I did salvage the day.  Ate blueberries for breakfast.  Also I read one of Shakespeare's comedies (As you like it) and the sad comedy of today vanished.  It's all in knowing how!

honested
honested

@Dusty2 @honested 

I need it, I have it, I have practiced it all my life.

I'm glad to see Freedom extended to more Americans by admitting once and for all that the confederates were traitors and should have been completely ignored since their sound defeat 150 years ago.

Heritage, leaving the losers behind.