Debate aftermath: How much Trump is too much Trump?

Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Scott Walker, Donald Trump, Jeb Bush, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, John Kasich

I’d like to say that with last night’s ugly performance in the GOP debate, Donald Trump finally went over the line even for his many fans. However, as someone who never appreciated Trump’s charms in the first place, I’m not sure I’m a good judge of where that line might be.

The man came across as a preening, boorish idiot trying to find common ground with other idiots. If the difference between an entertaining eccentric and a total jerk is how much time you’re forced to listen to him, the two-hour debate was about an hour and 59 minutes too long for Trump’s chances. But again, that’s me; we’ll have to see what GOP primary voters have to say. In a poll released just a few hours before the debate, Trump drew more support from Georgia Republicans than the next three candidates combined.

Like I said, I just don’t get it. Even if  you’re looking for someone to express your anger and frustration, certainly you can find a better spokesperson for that sentiment in one of the 16 other GOP candidates. Overall, and thanks largely to Trump, I don’t think last night’s reality-show spectacle did much for the Republican brand.

On the other hand, the biggest winner of the night was Fox News. Not just because of the high ratings drawn by the debate, but because its panel of three anchors was prepared and aggressive, drawing as much as possible from a crowded stage of contenders. Chris Wallace, Megyn Kelly and Bret Baier managed the high-wire walk of taking a distinct pro-conservative approach without backing away from tough questioning of conservative candidates. If they failed in producing much enlightenment on policy questions, that failure was more a function of a crowded stage filled with too many candidates and one man’s overweening ego.

Other observations:

  • Jeb Bush was content to do little and safely cleared that bar. As David Frum pointed out on Twitter, “Jeb Bush strategy tonight: If you’ve raised enough super PAC $, you can afford to be the dullest guy on the stage.”
  • Ohio Gov. John Kasich probably helped himself the most, benefiting from a home-court advantage in front of the Cleveland audience and making a good first impression for many voters. But it was disappointing to watch him coddle rather than confront Trump when given the chance.
  • Ben Carson was befuddled and out of place, reviving memories of James “what I am doing here?” Stockdale from the ’92 vice presidential debates. Carson ought to be the first one kicked off the island to make room for Carly Fiorina, who shined in the preliminary bout.
  • Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Chris Christie and Mike Huckabee did little to elevate themselves out of the second tier, with Huckabee probably the runt of that particular litter.
  • Based on last night’s performance alone, Marco Rubio did elevate himself into the top tier of candidates, but his poll standing remains well below what his potential for some reason. He and Kasich would both benefit if the field shrinks quickly, allowing them to get more time in the limelight, but I doubt that’s going to happen.

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Lucifer12345
Lucifer12345

I posit that any presidential contender who "receives daily messages from God," (hearing voices) should be disqualified because of mental incompetence.

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

" preening, boorish idiot trying to find common ground with other idiots. "

todays republican, every day

AlwaysReady
AlwaysReady

How much Jeb is too much Bush and how much Hillary is too much Clinton, way too many years of these two families.

ElemennoP
ElemennoP

Obama's war on the American labor force:


"The number of people not in the labor force reached another record high in July, according to new jobs data released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The BLS reports that 93,770,000 people (16 and older) were neither employed last month nor had made specific efforts to find work in the prior four weeks.

The number of people outside the workforce in July increased 144,000 over June’s record when 93,626,000 were not in the workforce."

SwamiDave
SwamiDave

Of the 2nd group, Fiorina will likely be the candidate to make the jump into the upper 10 for the next debate.  None of the others is likely to climb out of that pack (with the possible exception of Perry).  


Carson and Huckabee are the most likely to fall out of the group of 10 for different reasons.  Huckabee lacks the money & Carson's demeanor doesn't work well in the large crowd.  Without some real change to the political landscape, Paul's days are likely numbered as well.  


Specifically.....


I was surprised by Bush's performance.  I seen better reactions from deer being spotlighted by hunters.  I don't like him as a candidate, but would have expected better.  After last night, I cannot expect any of the upper tier of Republican candidates being afraid of Jeb the Candidate.  The money that he will have to spend, maybe; but not him as a candidate.


I wasn't surprised by Trump.  My only advice to him (which I'd not expect him to take anyway) is that if you took issues with the questions last night, then you should go back to boardrooms and reality TV.  They were neither "nice" nor were they inappropriate / out-of-bounds.  They were questions (the first of many) that are going to be asked of candidates in an election.  There's got to be something else as the fuel for a campaign & if there is really not, then there you go.  


The rest got no real advantage / bump, but they also didn't create any problems for themselves.  They are probably all "through" to the next round.


-SD  

josef
josef

Barack and Bibi sheetz

KUTGF
KUTGF

Texas man facing jail time for getting into a fight with his girlfriend’s old boyfriend was given two choices by an East Texas judge: go to jail or marry his girlfriend in  30 days, reports KLTV.

Josten Bundy stood before Smith County Judge Randall Rogers in mid-July on misdemeanor charges of assault after getting into a fight with the ex-boyfriend of his girlfriend at the time, Elizabeth Jaynes. According to Bundy, the judge gave him a choice: 15 days in jail or marry his girlfriend within thirty days as part of his probation. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/texas-judge-orders-young-man-to-marry-girlfriend-and-write-bible-verses-to-avoid-jail-time/

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Now there is those GOP family values.  Marriage is about a man and a women, forced under threat of prison, to share their love.  Can forced gay marriage be far behind! 
And don't forget the obligatory joke:  15 days or a lifetime sentence?

gotalife
gotalife

The dems should give Reid a billion to not retire.

Penses
Penses

@gotalife 

Let me get this straight: Rand is a hypocrite, but Reid is a saint? Is that your thinking?

gotalife
gotalife

rand's money man is indicted on corruption and he called out trump on corruption.


A bigger hypocrite than Figmo.

gotalife
gotalife

Dems are more confident now.


They should not make shchumer leader of anything.


He is not a leader of America,


Israel perhaps.

DoubleNaughtSpy
DoubleNaughtSpy

Obama's "war on women"


"The number of women not in the labor force reached a record high in July, according to data released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

According to the BLS, 56,209,000 women aged 16 and older were not participating in the workforce in July, besting April’s record of 56,167,000 women who were neither employed nor had made a specific effort to find work in the four weeks prior.

July’s figures represented an uptick of 124,000 over June’s level of 56,085,000 women who were out of the workforce."

LogicalDude
LogicalDude

@DoubleNaughtSpy Does this include retired women who would no longer be in the workforce anyway?  With 56 million, it sure looks like it. 

GrannyGodzilla4
GrannyGodzilla4

Hi!

I'm one of those women!

Retired early.....got great Obamacare coverage and still manage to pay taxes for schools and roads and parks and national security and great American stuff like that.

Let me tell you boys......it's great.

Penses
Penses

@Kamchak 

Wow..two sock puppets conversing with himself.

Kamchak
Kamchak

@YouLibs 

Oh dear, is that a confederate flag I see in that picture?

It's not hate, it's heritage.

Kamchak
Kamchak

@Penses 

Uh,no.

YouLibs is somewhat older than I am, was drafted and saw combat in Vietnam.

Perhaps you should return to the shower to think about -- things.

YouLibs
YouLibs

@Kamchak @YouLibs


That picture of Nathan Bedford Forrest is probably something out of his family scrapbook.

LeninTime
LeninTime

@KUTGF 

Re: Obamacare. lt was never intended to be the finish line.

**
No, it was intended to keep us from ever getting there.

gotalife
gotalife

cons lost every argument and deserve trump.

Penses
Penses

"Like I said, I just don’t get it. Even if  you’re looking for someone to express your anger and frustration, certainly you can find a better spokesperson for that sentiment in one of the 16 other GOP candidates."


You and me both, Jay. I think I need to apologize to all of the liberals here, because I routinely question their intelligence, wisdom and general knowledge. But Trump's ascendency tells me is that there are a whole lot of unthinking voters out there on both ends of the political spectrum. My only consolation is that if he runs as an independent he, no matter how many popular votes he garners, will like Perot in '92 receive no electoral votes. He is an embarrassment to the GOP (just as Biden would be to the Democratic party should he run).  

Penses
Penses

@LogicalDude 

Yeah, that is why Jefferson wanted to limit voting rights. Right now, it's almost like a family of five deciding upon a the purchase of a house and the three pre-adolescent kids each get an equal say.

LogicalDude
LogicalDude

@Penses " there are a whole lot of unthinking voters out there on both ends of the political spectrum."


A lot of us realized this long ago. :)  Welcome to the end of the world as we know it. 

Kamchak
Kamchak

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a37004/republican-debate-donald-trump-fox-news/

This debate served two purposes, and two purposes only. The first was to make money for Fox News, and to reinforce its influence within party. It apparently did that splendidly, thereby ensuring that Roger Ailes position as a kingmaker remained secure. The second was to be part of eternal auction of souls demanded by the new age of legalized influence-peddling. The Donald was right. These people are all crazy for money. What they will do to the country is not something I care to think about right now.

THEFEEBLELIBERAL
THEFEEBLELIBERAL

hillary going down on this issue


According to the Office of the Inspector General report made in 2014, the State Department's records failed to properly account for some $6 billion in contracts over the prior six years, including around $2 billion for the department's mission in Iraq. The report said, "The failure to maintain contract files adequately creates significant financial risk and demonstrates a lack of internal control over the Department's contract actions," and added that investigators and auditors had found "repeated examples of poor contract file administration" which it had characterized as having been one of the department's "major management challenges" for several years.[296]

THEFEEBLELIBERAL
THEFEEBLELIBERAL


she makes millions for herself


and loses billions for taxpayers


shame

shame

shame


THEFEEBLELIBERAL
THEFEEBLELIBERAL

lol


the feeble little liberal mind


it doesn't know what a reagan democrat is and thinks its extinct due to climate change


lol



fedup52
fedup52

@THEFEEBLELIBERAL it doesn't know what a reagan democrat is and thinks its extinct due to climate change

+++

Just a bunch of idiots.

LeninTime
LeninTime

The problem with Obamacare, Hedley, is that it was a program to move more of the health care costs off the books of US companies and onto the backs of the people themselves, but without risking a total collapse of the system which would have sparked outrage and left the health care system vulnerable to a mass movement calling for a true socialistic system, which is the only way to manage it efficiently and justly.

Hence you get: Obamacare. 

The horrible out-of-pocket costs and deductibles are going to be reflected ever more steadily in poor poll results for the program, as people have more time to see what it's really about.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/250058-poll-obamacare-enrollees-less-satisfied-with-plans

THEFEEBLELIBERAL
THEFEEBLELIBERAL

@LeninTime


and now the insurance companies are merging and buying each other out so that soon we will have a handfull of HUGE healthcare companies controlling the market

KUTGF
KUTGF

@LeninTime As one who uses the ACA, I can tell you that prior to the ACA, the OOP was outrageous and no real change was made on that issue.  But there are some better coverages now and the 85% provision regarding premiums.  Am I happy with the ACA, NO!!!!!   Do I think it is an improvement, YES!!!! 


It was never intended to be the finish line. 

KUTGF
KUTGF

@THEFEEBLELIBERAL Oh sweetie...that is called capitalism and free markets.  And of course, large insurance companies EXISTED prior to the ACA. 


As an aside, I love your song "What will the Troll post" and the back up group is hilarious. 

THEFEEBLELIBERAL
THEFEEBLELIBERAL

look at the liberals 


sticking their heads in the sand


kasich didn't balance the federal budget 


you are wrong!


lol


In 1995, when Republicans gained the majority in the United States Congress following the 1994 election, Kasich became chairman of the House Budget Committee. In 1997, Kasich rose to national prominence after becoming "the chief architect of a deal that balanced the federal budget for the first time since 1969"—the Balanced Budget Act of 1997.[37]

Wena Mow Masipa How
Wena Mow Masipa How

@josef 

"In all seriousness, that is an extremely  offensive and highly racist idiom to American Indians.  I know you may not be aware of that, but you need to be."

No, I wasn't aware of that. Duly noted and it won't be used again (by me, at least).

Kamchak
Kamchak

@KUTGF 

You are good with "off the plantation"...

See also, Yankee sharia and carpetbaggers.

josef
josef

@Kamchak @KUTGF 

Leaving out, of course, that the former was used right along with Southern Halakha and scalawag.  You know, EOI, the (sic) modus operandus thereof.  How's that cherry pie doing. Twitboy?  LOL

KUTGF
KUTGF

@josef Oh I agree... just directed at a different group for the dogwhistle.  But you see it used often by our RWers who are not using it with sarcasm. 

josef
josef

@KUTGF @josef 

Yep.  The use of "off the reservation" is more from ignorance with no malice aforethought, "off the plantation" willful and mean.  

KUTGF
KUTGF

@josef Oh its not your fault.  Blame your parents for naming you josef Snippy.  ;) 

josef
josef

@KUTGF @josef 

I can't even blame them.  That was Granddaddy's doings!  But at least Granny didn't get HER way...Judah!  LOL