OK, this Trump thing may be getting out of hand

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In a recent column, George Will bewailed the soiling of the Republican Party by its forced association with the “unprecedentedly and incorrigibly vulgar” Donald Trump, and basically pleaded with GOP leaders to ban Trump from future debates lest he permanently stain the party’s reputation.

“Conservatives who flinch from forthrightly marginalizing Trump mistakenly fear alienating a substantial Republican cohort,” Will writes with characteristic haughtiness, going on to argue that “the assumption that today’s Trumpites are Republicans is unsubstantiated and implausible.” As he sees it, Trump supporters can’t be establishment Republicans or social conservatives, and “they certainly are not tea partyers, those earnest, issue-oriented, book-club organizing activists who are passionate about policy. ”

You read things like that, and you begin to understand that inside-the-Beltway types like Will could not be more out of touch if they were on board the Voyager space probe, which left Earth back in 1977 and is now some 12.3 billion miles away.

For example, according to a new CNN poll, just 38 percent of American voters have a favorable opinion of Trump, which is reassuring. However, among that “earnest, issue-oriented, book-club organizing”  subset known as tea-party voters, 67 percent think highly of The Donald. In fact, he is far more popular among tea-party voters than Jeb Bush (37 percent), Scott Walker (52 percent) or John Kasich (36 percent).

In addition, 37 percent of Republican registered voters now tell CNN that Trump would be their first or second choice for their party’s nomination, well above his July numbers and also well above the 23 percent who would take Bush as their first or second choice. Among tea-party voters, 41 percent would take Trump as their first or second choice.

And those aren’t the truly alarming numbers:

  • When registered Republican voters were asked which GOP candidate can best handle the economy, 45 percent said Donald Trump, up from 20 percent in late June. Bush came in second, at 9 percent. Seriously?
  • When they were asked which GOP candidate can best handle illegal immigration, 44 percent said Trump, up from 13 percent in late June. Bush, now at 13 percent, came in second.
  • When Republican voters were asked which Republican could best address the threat posed by ISIS, 32 percent said Trump, twice as many as Bush at 16 percent. (Lindsey Graham, who has pledged to build his campaign on that issue, got 1 percent.)
  • Thirty-eight percent of Republican voters now think that Trump is their party’s best bet to win the White House in 2016.

Will may refuse to see it — he may daintily avert his eyes and yell “no no no!!” all he wishes– but it is “unsubstantiated and implausible” to believe that Trump’s supporters are NOT Republicans and are NOT conservatives and are NOT “a substantial Republican cohort”. As the CNN poll and every other poll documents, they quite clearly are. And Will’s anguish not withstanding, it is equally clear that Trump is not the cause of the party’s difficulties, but rather its most glaring symptom. He is what they have wrought, and even if you make him go away, the underling issue will still remain.

The bottom line? Yes, I still believe that it is inconceivable for Trump to win the GOP nomination. But ….

 

 

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Kamchak
Kamchak

@lvg 

Jay's girfriend[sic]...

When you have to lie in order to make a point:

1. It DOES NOT prove your point. 

2. It DOES prove that you are a liar.

Just sayin'.

lvg
lvg

Jay's girfriend is facing prosecution for wiping her computer, cloth or no cloth:


""""""In 2010 David Kernell, a University of Tennessee student, was convicted under Sarbanes-Oxley after he deleted digital records that showed he had obtained access to Sarah Palin’s Yahoo e-mail account. Using publicly available information, Kernell answered security questions that allowed him to reset Palin’s Yahoo password to “popcorn.” He downloaded information from Palin’s account, including photographs, and posted the new password online. He then deleted digital information that may have made it easier for federal investigators to find him. Like Matanov, he cleared the cache on his Internet browser. He also uninstalled Firefox, ran a disk defragmentation program to reorganize and clean up his hard drive, and deleted a series of images that he had downloaded from the account. For entering Palin’s e-mail, he was eventually convicted of misdemeanor unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer and felony destruction of records under Sarbanes-Oxley. In January 2012, the US Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit found that Kernell’s awareness of a potential investigation into his conduct was enough to uphold the felony charge.


At the time Kernell took steps to clean his computer, he does not appear to have known that there was any investigation into his conduct. Regardless, the government felt that they were entitled to that data, and the court agreed that Kernell was legally required to have preserved it."""""""""""""


http://www.thenation.com/article/you-can-be-prosecuted-clearing-your-browser-history/




Lee30519
Lee30519

Trump is saying things that the others are thinking but cannot say due to monetary backers.  Trump is financing his own way.  Funny how Jay has not started a thread regarding the vanishing emails from Clinton.  


bu2
bu2

Trump is a symptom of the dishonesty that permeates both parties in Washington.  People are tired of talking points and dishonesty.


Trump's hardly credible, but its hard to believe all this stuff is scripted.  Some is just too stupid to be scripted.  But it is a refreshing change of pace.

THEFEEBLELIBERAL
THEFEEBLELIBERAL

not only do you HAVE TO PASS IT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN IT for the iran nuclear deal


you have to KNOW what IS NOT IN IT as well



shame

shame 

shame

obama and kerry


THE DONALD was right


this was the worst deal ever negotiated


Washington (CNN)The State Department on Wednesday downplayed concerns over a reported deal that would allow Iranian inspectors to investigate their own military site.

The West has long believed the site, Parchin, was used for covert nuclear military activity, and access to the area has been a matter of negotiations between Tehran and world powers seeking to curb that program. Under the agreement reached by the parties in July, the process for inspections would be governed by agreements between Iran and the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency.

That the deal between Iran and the IAEA involves the use of Iranian inspectors to investigate Parchin was reported by The Associated Press, which described the agreement as part of the agency's inquiry into past nuclear activity.

The conclusion of that inquiry is a critical step in the implementation of international sanctions relief under a wider deal between Iran and world powers.

The specifics of the deal between the IAEA and Iran over the Parchin inspections are not included in the nuclear agreement, but Iran is required to satisfy the IAEA's concerns about its program under that deal.

KUTGF
KUTGF

Police in Hoover, Alabama said a 31-year-old man was likely shot and killed by his two-year-old son, WBRC-TV reported....

According to the Associated Press, a semi-automatic pistol was found inside the room.

Police Captain Greg Rictor said that, while the investigation into the incident had not been completed, his department had all but ruled out suicide as the cause of the victim’s death. He called the incident a “horrible accident.”

“It wouldn’t be a physical obstacle for a 2 1/2-year-old boy to pull a trigger on a semi-automatic handgun,” Rictor said.

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Starting the thug life early would be one guess.

If only it had been a gun free zone. 

Fl0ydLiberal
Fl0ydLiberal

Curious how Donald equates beating up a homeless man with being passionate. Could that be one of the reasons his wives don't stay?

skydog12
skydog12

DownInAlbany 1 hour ago

Yesterday, no one could find any positive head lines coming out of the Clinton camp.

Will you be any luckier today?

Come on.  What 'cha got?

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Leading the polls by 15 and she hasn`t even rolled out the big guns yet. 2 very popular former Presidents come to mind.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

hey DiA, I had a bit of an earworm over that "taking orders" business. I thought of a great line from the Clash:


Are you taking over,

or are you taking orders?

Are you moving backwards

or are you moving forward?


please don't take the title of the song personally. Just wanted to share something great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoJYM3krDWQ


ElemennoP
ElemennoP

I suppose the "Trump" effect is so big that Jay doesn't need to produce another piece for today.

Bulls_3y3
Bulls_3y3

OK, this Trump thing may be getting out of hand,,,  Say what??? Funny, Jay posts article after article regarding Trump and then complains about it getting out of hand...  Cause and effect Jay... 
  But hey, it brings out the clowns... honk honk

Bulls_3y3
Bulls_3y3

how would I know if you don't bring the link???

honested
honested

@Kamchak @Bulls_3y3 

It's kinda odd that anyone would request a 'link' for the only thing that wrong-wing media EVER does.

It's also kinda funny that the wrong-wing doesn't seem to realize it has ABSOLUTELY NO INFLUENCE on the majority of Americans.

Bulls_3y3
Bulls_3y3

@StraightNoChaser  looks like your candidate is in deep trouble but Jay's article is on Trump not Hillary...  Keep up sport

Bulls_3y3
Bulls_3y3

@honested  yet, you're making unfounded comments about RW media...You people

Kamchak
Kamchak

Birthers and ringers and servers -- OH MY!

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Kamchak Donald Trump connected the birther train to the clown republican train, he was their missing link.

KUTGF
KUTGF

A lawsuit filed against the Kansas secretary of state's office in federal court alleges that Assistant Secretary of State Eric Rucker fired a woman because she would not attend a Christian religious service

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The 1st Amendment remains optional for some of our Christians.  Cue the Christian bashing whine........ 

KUTGF
KUTGF

@DownInAlbany  I know.  We'll do the same if Hillary every gets convicted. 

fedup52
fedup52

As per Guardian

UK is opening their embassy in Iran.  The are taking a small contingent of business people too.

Good luck to the idiots that includes Menedez and Schumer trying to derail the Iran deal.

THEFEEBLELIBERAL
THEFEEBLELIBERAL

the feeble little liberal mind


it is very funny


and non-liberals will agree


the AMOUNT of FREE press and publicity


that trump is receiving


with all these liberals constantly talking about him


he has PLAYED them like a 


straight-e-a-various


lol

KUTGF
KUTGF

@THEFEEBLELIBERAL LOL.....  why yes.. Trump is playing the Dems/liberals/other by leading the GOP.  LOL. 

skydog12
skydog12

@THEFEEBLELIBERAL


We are just watching. He is your parties problem. How you gonna kill the beast? We hope you don`t. He will lose by the biggest margin eveh if he makes the general election.