Kim Davis is no hero of religious liberty; she is a would-be religious tyrant

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From Sen. Ted Cruz:

“Today, judicial lawlessness crossed into judicial tyranny. Today, for the first time ever, the government arrested a Christian woman for living according to her faith. This is wrong. This is not America. I stand with Kim Davis. Unequivocally. I stand with every American that the Obama administration is trying to force to choose between honoring his or her faith or complying with a lawless court opinion.”

That’s one way to think about. Another is to point out that Kim Davis, the elected county clerk in Rowan County, Ky., has chosen to abuse the power granted to her as a government official, and is paying the price for doing so.  Cruz aside, she has every right to her own personal opinion about gay marriage; she has every right to live her own life according to her own faith and she runs no risk of arrest for doing so.

However, Davis has no right to use government as a means to unilaterally impose her own personal religious viewpoint on other people, in direct challenge to the system established in the Constitution.  She has no right to carve out Rowan County as a place that will live by HER rules, dictated by HER conscience.

That’s the critical point: When a government official uses government authority to impose his or her own religious faith on others, that is not by any definition “religious freedom.” That is the definition of religious tyranny.

That’s why she is in jail, and that’s why she belongs there.

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Watsuie007
Watsuie007

Her religious rights do not trump everyone else's right to get a license to get married, or register to vote, etc.  She belongs in jail and if she can't do her job and will not let her deputies do the job of issuing marriage licenses, then she needs to step aside.  Ms. Davis is not the arbitrator of who gets to get married and who does not in Rowan County, her religious beliefs not withstanding.

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

ooookay, now the strategery is unfolding -

Mitt Prepares 2016 Run

all these clowns absorb (well deserved) abuse, and Mittens (nice man, friend of de Island) swoops in late - and polls at least within distance of Hils.

Its a longshot, but what choices do dinosaurs really have after the meteor's already hit....

DirkTengg
DirkTengg

Her family all have cushy government jobs - jobs that require very little of them and probably come with good healthcare and a nice pension.  They know that this is as good as it will get for them.  What is Davis' alternative other than a job at Walmart?

conceitedlawyers
conceitedlawyers

Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito are not known enemies of traditional religious values. However, the emergency petition filed by Kim Davis (and her lawyers at Liberty University) did not persuade the District Court, nor the conservative 6th Circuit nor the Supreme Court. Not a single dissent has been filed. Kim Davis has no case at all. She cannot exempt herself from the rule of law or veto Supreme Court rulings she does not like. If she stands for President and gets elected, she may be able to appoint a Supreme Court justice (if there is a vacancy). 


The Supreme Court is the highest court in the land and the rulings are binding. 

conceitedlawyers
conceitedlawyers

I couldn't agree more. Jay Bookman is absolutely right. Her contempt of court has very little to do with religion and is in any event in defiance not only of the rule of law and the Constitution but also violates the teachings of the Bible. 

Hale_Trump!
Hale_Trump!

Shese a hero 4 leading us to Christ. U no jesus would be on her side. 

Alan Arthur Katz
Alan Arthur Katz

@Hot_Harley_guy Sorry, but it seems to me that Christ must be really pissed off right now. I mean, she said "judge not", yet she does. He said "lest he who is without sin cast the first stone", yet she does. Doesn't the Bible say Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's? I hate to tax your delicate and limited intellect, but Federal Court Orders are Caesar's.


Furthermore, she has violated the First Amendment in order to impose her personal religious beliefs on other Americans, which is one of the biggest no-nos in our Constitutional Republic. She has attempted to establish a theocracy, not a democracy or republic, which makes her no better than ISIS and the Taliban.


Perhaps you would feel more comfortable with the Taliban. They completely agree with your idea that personal religious beliefs trump all government and all laws. I mean, that is what you're celebrating, right?

PurdueTone
PurdueTone

Just a heads up Alan.......Harley is a troll who swoops in and dumps his drivel to stir the pot. No need to feed him.....

Lucifer12345
Lucifer12345

Too bad this God she speaks of doesn't do pro bono work.

RoadScholar
RoadScholar

Mr Cruz: didn't she take an oath f office that included the requirement that she would follow and enforce the laws of the US?


Also what would you say if a religious sect called for the death of elected officials that do not follow their religious guidelines.....and you were No 1 on their list?

taters
taters

She is just like the Muslims who want to bring in Sharia laws over U.S. law.  She is an ignorant fool.  Hope she rots in jail.

Alan Arthur Katz
Alan Arthur Katz

@Visual_Cortex You're so right. They're a self-serving hate group masquerading as a pro-bono law firm. If they were, they'd be the worst law firm in world history. All their clients lose or end up in jail like Kim Davis. But they keep those donations from the brainwashed ignorant rolling in.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

Funny, I just hope she comes to her senses. I hate that she's got it into her head that this lot she's fallen in with are something other than lunatics, or charlatans.

DohBee
DohBee

Teddy C and Mikey H. are trumpeting this just to raise beaucoups of Moolah for their campaign coffers.  Ms. Davis will be signing a great book deal and make $$$ via rounds on the Talk-Show Circuit, mark my words.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

Kim Davis should not be PAID to impose her faith on others--paid by the taxpayers, that is!

Peachs
Peachs

I love the gay couple who were told they would be judged on judgement day ,by Davis, in her office lobby. They almost laughed in her face, and told her she would be the one judged and I think they are right, which means about as much as Davis thinking they are wrong. 

Peachs
Peachs

Who cares I like it wide open that is what I have been advocating for years, true small government, no one tells anybody what to do, no blue laws, no drug laws everybody can go naked in the streets, I am absolutely for it....

Cogito Ergo Erras
Cogito Ergo Erras

Alright, peeps...going to watch some golf. Enjoy your holiday weekend!

gotalife
gotalife

She will stay in jail until she resigns.


Another self created self defeatist hypocrite.

Lucifer12345
Lucifer12345

The best way to deal with Ted Cruz is pretend he doesn't exist. I mean there are so many problems and conflicts in Cruz's quote that one doesn't quite know where to begin. (As an aside, Cruz's voice reminds me of Mr. Haney on Green Acres, a fellow con man, but I digress.) Yes, Davis should remain in jail and should lose her job. While her hero Jesus in Matthew 5:33-37 cautions against "not swearing an oath" of any kind, she took an oath of office to perform her duties.  Pity she didn't take a lesson from the Head Dude.

KUTGF
KUTGF

And the allowance for conscientious objectors in law is proof of that. 

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Following the "logic", if conscientious objectors could obtain a position as general, they then could for religious reasons refuse to send an army to war based on the Davis fact pattern. 

GaBlue
GaBlue

@KUTGF

Hey.... you might be onto something there! 

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

Davis, an Apostolic Christian, wept during her testimony in federal court Thursday, telling the judge she was "always a good person" but that she gave her heart to the Lord in 2011 and "promised to love Him with all my heart, mind and soul because I wanted to make heaven my home."

"God's moral law conflicts with my job duties," Davis told the judge before she was taken away by a U.S. marshal. "You can't be separated from something that's in your heart and in your soul."

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Note to Davis -- QUIT!  See?  Problem solved!!!  Smooches!  <3 <3

cwkimbro
cwkimbro

Thanks for saying the bitter hard truth Jay. 


Some people support gay marriage. Some religions support gay marriage between 2 people in love. It isn't the government's right to choose the religious principles of one over the other. 


This lady is a representative of the government in her corner of the world. She can't push her religious beliefs onto others through her job, rather she needs to follow the law. If she is unable to she can choose to respectfully step aside or direct someone within the office who is not opposed to processing the applications do the job for her. What she can not do is use the government's office to make that choice for others.

Doggone_GA
Doggone_GA

@cwkimbro "direct someone within the office who is not opposed to processing the applications do the job for her."

The problem is, she can't do that.  It's still going to be HER signature on the document.

Doggone_GA
Doggone_GA

@cwkimbro @Doggone_GA My understanding is that is only true IF Davis is "unavailable", which she has not been.  It's not a matter of just saying "you do it"

cwkimbro
cwkimbro

@Doggone_GA @cwkimbro It is a good point, but sorry that is incorrect. In Kentucky law a Deputy Clerk can also sign the document. The problem still rests on the stubbornness of the clerk to accept responsibility of allowing that to happen. But yes, there is a legal pathway for her to be the County Clerk and not sign the document if she feel she can not sign such a document, but she still has to allow that process to happen.

Peachs
Peachs

@cwkimbro doesn't she take an oath to enforce all laws as part of her job, most of the elected do that, and if she had refused to take that oath she would not be allowed to serve, so she broke that oath, lied as her type love to use that word and now expects to have her way?  

cwkimbro
cwkimbro

@Doggone_GA @cwkimbro Ultimately, that is also incorrect. Look up the statute on marriage licenses in Kentucky, statute 402.100.  She would still have to set up the process and follow the legal rules for deputizing a clerk and she is still in charge of the office, but there is no legal requirement she be the one to sign the document, but a deputy of her office must. Availability has nothing to do with it, even if it did... she could just conveniently make herself unavailable and allow someone else to do it. It is still her decision to allow this to happen and that is why she is getting in trouble for not carrying out the law.

cwkimbro
cwkimbro

@Peachs @cwkimbro I'm a bit confused at exactly what you're asking in reply to me, but that is essentially what has happened. The judge is punishing her for not following the law. She represents the executive branch in that position in that county and the judicial branch is keeping her power in check by not following the legislated law.
 Now she took the oath to fulfill the duties of her office, she doesn't have to change her personal beliefs and she can even find a pathway to not sign a document herself, but she has to ensure that her office follows through with the law.

Alan Arthur Katz
Alan Arthur Katz

@Doggone_GA @cwkimbro No, you are incorrect. Read the law. In every line it says "the clerk or deputy clerk" must. That's why the deputy is "deputized", not an assistant. The Deputy has the same powers as the Clerk but is supposed to work under her supervision. If she said "don't sign those", they could legally tell her, "I am under court order to sign those, and your objection does not override the order of a Federal judge".


If she then fires, or prevents the deputy from signing, she is de-facto guilty of obstructing justice, for she has caused her deputy to break the law and disobey a Federal Court order. Not to mention that she will be sued by each clerk she fires for illegal termination and retaliation. That could cost her millions, more than her goFundMe fans would be willing to donate.

KUTGF
KUTGF

They know full well they are practicing aberrant, abnormal, queer, odd (or whatever word you want to use) behavior and they want people to tell them it's really okay.

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Oh sweetie, it is okay.  And that means its okay for you too.  I know that is really a strain on your testosterone and your need to thump and be a "real man" (don't let the fear that you may not be stop your thumping)


And if it were not okay based on your cherry picked interpretations (as not all Christian agree with your baseless statement) then its really not up to you to address, its up to God. 

Peachs
Peachs

The terrorist do the same thing, kill and claim it is a religious thing, they are forgiven. And there are others that would use this for drugs and alcohol it is all a personal opinion no one is absolutely sure God doesn't want us all plastered killing everybody in sight and in general justifying all we do by scripture. That is why the right loves it so, it is not a fine science, this religion, certainly not any kind of science, God forbid, so unless you can get God on a witness stand, I say everything goes baby, why stop here. 

GeorgiaRedNeck
GeorgiaRedNeck

The USA is not a Theocracy. Never was, never been and I hope never will. Leave the Theocracies to the Middle East.

LeninTime
LeninTime

josef, to your question, yes I did see something about that. I see so much crazy stuff about Russia and China I almost tend to shrug it off without giving it too much time. What do you make of it?

Did you see the earlier thread here about the NYT suddently getting 'white man's burden' religion, right as Dem organs like ThinkProgress are publishing pieces trashing China/Russia for not sending more aid to help the refugees? Very curious all this. Very curious.


Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

Let's settle this once and for all.

Anyone here who self identifies as Christian OK with our Penses determining who is a REAL Christian here at Jay 's?

Anyone at all?

honested
honested

@Visual_Cortex 

I kinda' leave that up to people to decide for themselves (and to leave me out of it).

Or....we could require the imaginary friend to speak from the sky and identify each and every one by name before we 'believe' anyone.

Eye wonder
Eye wonder

@Visual_Cortex As long as it's a two-for-one special which includes a go-round on the Real American Measurator™ I say let Penses knock himself out.

GaBlue
GaBlue

@Visual_Cortex

Well... he cherry picks different stuff from the Bible than I do. I like my selections better. No matter how much dogma one repeats, religion really IS totally subjective. Because for any verse some (fake, IMO) Christian slings out to support his hateful attitude, I can sling one right back that says that attitude is not pleasing to the Lord.

**shrug**

gotalife
gotalife

With China and Russia having economic problems, it open the door for more military cuts and audits.



LeninTime
LeninTime

 Russia is a big country. Maybe they can take in some of those refugees.

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Seeing these remarks I'm more and more convinced that the sudden media frenzy over the refugee crisis is coordinated and is part of a larger imperialist operation.

gotalife
gotalife

The President is meeting with the Saudi king without holding his hand and kissing him.


They are meeting on the Iran deal and arms deals


They can fight their own wars too.