The self-persecution of Kim Davis ends … temporarily

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The good news is that Kim Davis, county clerk of Rowan County, Ky., has been freed by a federal judge. Her release badly undermines the publicity value of the jail-house meeting with Davis that presidential hopefuls Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee had arranged for later today. (Note Huckabee photobombing Davis in the screengrab above, taken after her release from the Carter County Detention Center).

The bad news is that by her own choice, Davis’ freedom may prove to be temporary.

Under the terms of her release, Davis is forbidden to “interfere in any way, directly or indirectly, with the efforts of her deputy clerks to issue marriage licenses to all legally eligible couples.” And as NBC reports, Davis may not be prepared to live by those rules when she reports back to work later this week:

“Nothing has been resolved,” Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, told NBC News soon after (Judge) Bunning ordered her released.

“She told the court Thursday that she can’t allow licenses to go out under her name and her authority that authorize a marriage that collides with her conscience and religious conviction, and Kim is not changed on that position,” Staver said.

Again, Davis has every right to believe what she wishes and to act upon those beliefs in her personal life. She simply does not have the right to use the power granted to her as an elected government official to impose those religious beliefs on other Americans.  That power is not HER power, to be used as SHE wishes.

It’s also worth noting that the sense of self-justifying persecution runs extremely deep for Davis and her supporters. As Mat Staver, her lawyer and the former dean of the Liberty University law school, put it the other day:

“Does that mean that if you’re Christian, don’t apply here; if you’re a Jew, you gotta get — what happened in Nazi Germany, what happened there first, they removed the Jews from government public employment, then they stopped patronizing them in their private businesses, then they continued to stigmatize them, then they were the ‘problems,’ then they killed them.”

In further comments today, Staver argued that the marriage licenses that have been issued in the last few days by Rowan County are legally invalid or perhaps even criminal, because they do not include Davis’ name as the authorizing government official as required by Kentucky law.

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Corey
Corey

When it seems that God hates the same people you do, you've probably created God in your own image.

honested
honested

@Corey 

IF ONLY they could comprehend that simple imperative.

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

and as for professional qualifications, does that Staver dude even have a legitimate law degree? Has he actually passed a bar exam?

I mean Fox, and that's a low bar, just shredded him.

Dont know bout lawyerin, Just sayin, if somebody in my field got publicly shredded like that, they couldn't get a job counting sales at Dollah Tree.

honested
honested

@St Simons he-ne-ha 

He's probably a 'christian attorney' (like I knew a person once who was a 'christian psychiatrist').

A pseudo-profession that requires 'belief' in an imaginary system outside the real system in which everyone else is trained and the reality in which everyone else is operating.

...

In any case, if this clown is instructing this sad woman to continue violating the law, I hope he can be held jointly liable for her criminal behavior!!

skydog12
skydog12

An attempted murder suspect who fired at New York police was apprehended only after police engaged him in a gun fight, firing a barrage of bullets. 

Of the 84 total shots cops fired, one struck the suspect.


**********************

Some of you want me to believe that the Police problem in this country is just a few bad apples. 


84 shots and 1 hit. These cowboys have to be reeled in.


Just like in Iraq and Afghanistan, if you shoot one of my friends or family while "protecting/liberating" me, I will hate you forever and worse.


Just dam`n. 84 shots and one hit, in a crowded city, and we paid for monthly training? 
We may have to go to the Barney rule. You get one bullet, use it wisely.

LeninTime
LeninTime

I'll grant you, @DownInAlbany , the system of federalism that underlies the US political system is complex and subtle, and it's not the easiest thing to grasp intuitively. 


Brosephus
Brosephus

Found this last night too.  It has to do with one of those "brave" judges who is refusing to do same sex marriages.  Like Mrs. Davis, it probably would have been better had he studied the laws pertaining to the execution of his job ahead of time.  He's going to have some legal issues to deal with based on the complaint filed against him


Count 12 

51.

Complaint:  [Marion County Circuit Court] Judge [Vance] Day inappropriately screened and ordered his court staff to screen wedding applicants to ensure that they were not same-sex applicants, because Judge Day refused to marry same-sex partners even though they could lawfully marry under Oregon law. 

Judge's Response:  Denies paragraph 51 as alleged, but admits that Judge Day has firmly held religious beliefs rooted in the Judeo-Christian tradition that defines marriage as between a female and a male. Admits that Judge Day requested his assistant to not schedule him to  perform same sex marriages, but to find an alternate judge who would do so because it conflicted with his firmly held religious beliefs.

52.

C:  The above alleged conduct is a violation of the Oregon Code of Judicial Conduct as  follows:

Rule 3.3 (B) “A judge shall not, in the performance of judicial duties, by words or conduct, manifest bias or prejudice, or engage in harassment, against parties, witnesses, lawyers, or others based on attributes including but not limited to, sex, gender identity, race, national origin, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, marital status, disability, age, socioeconomic status, or political affiliation and shall not permit court staff, court officials, or others subject to the judge's direction and control to do so.” 

JR:  Denies that Judge Day’s actual conduct in relation to paragraph 51 forms the  basis for a violation of the Oregon Code of Judicial Conduct.

53.

C:  The above alleged conduct is in violation of the Oregon Constitution Article VII (Amended) Section 8(1) as follows: “In the matter provided by law, and notwithstanding section 1 of this Article, a judge of any court may be removed or suspended from his judicial office by the Supreme Court, or censured by the Supreme Court, for: (b) Willful misconduct in a judicial office where such misconduct bears a demonstrable relationship to the effective performance of judicial duties; (c) Willful or persistent failure to perform judicial duties; (e) Willful violation of any rule of judicial conduct as shall be established by the Supreme Court.”

JR:  Denies that Judge Day’s actual conduct was willful misconduct under the Oregon Constitution Article VII (Amended) Section 8(1).

Denies that Judge Day’s actual conduct was a willful violation of the Oregon Constitution Article VII (Amended) Section 8(1).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/279585315/Combined-Complaint-and-Answer

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

the Mennonite DMV clerk down heah would not sell me my tag to go on my "devil-machine"

Doggone_GA
Doggone_GA

@DownInAlbany And when they don't enforce immigation laws...which are a FEDERAL responsibility...they ARE upholding the contsitution

hamiltonAZ
hamiltonAZ

That people who would be President would condone a rally comparing the Supreme Court to ISIS and a person who would violate an oath sworn on their maker is a sad and dangerous commentary. The quote below brings it into context. Surely a presidential candidate can see such a simple and obvious conclusion.

From Time Magazine: "The Orthodox Jewish clerk at the DMV cannot deny you a driver’s license because you eat ham. The Muslim clerk at the Social Security office can’t deny you benefits because you drink liquor. The Christian Scientist clerk at the IRS cannot audit your taxes because you chose medical help. Practice your religion in freedom; just don’t make everyone else practice your religion." K. Abdul-Jabbar

fedup52
fedup52

Hillary Clinton sent her supporters an email late on Tuesday apologizing for her use of a private email server while serving as secretary of state.

+++

Let us move on to the next GHAZI.  Please

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

meanwhile, while wingnuttia has you concerned about an inbred county clerk in Ky,

15 mil children go hungry, while corporations I have done work for stash $1trillion in off shore tax havens, thanks to Republican policies

Yes_Jesus_Can
Yes_Jesus_Can

@St Simons he-ne-ha 

Shame on you!  I'm sure we'll be reading about the 15 million children the day little bammy gets replaced by a republican January, 2017. 

Not before then, however. Little bammy's need censorship to remain popular. 

straker
straker

Rand - "lies and cover up, lack of integrity"


Please furnish us the  hard evidence you have to back these charges up.


Talk radio doesn't count.

Yes_Jesus_Can
Yes_Jesus_Can

@straker 

HERSELF apologized last night. 

She's at 42% approval and heading the right way.... DOWN.

Pretty soon she'll be buying silt fence to hold back the eroding support, and we'll get another useful ne'er-do-well like Obama to replace Hillary.  Despite the over-heroic and near-divine esteem leftists fantasize about for their old gal, the dream will be replaced and shifted onto some incompetent never-would-have-been like E. Warren. 

With the press and media at your backs, leftists could give the dem nomination to Bill Ayers himself and he'd be within 5 points of the Republican President elect in November next year. 

fedup52
fedup52

Talk about going against the will of the people...

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That is right.  Public opinion is swayed by the massive anti deal propaganda.  That does not mean they understand what the deal is.  When they really understand it like PPACA they will be for it.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@fedup52 Another of those, "...we have to pass it, so, that you can find out what's in it..." kind of moment?

fedup52
fedup52

@DownInAlbany @fedup52 No most people like you have poor comprehension problem.  The people who have read the deal do support the it.

Unfortunately others just follow the propaganda. 

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

"as it turned out, (the) Iraq (war) turned out great..."

and thus ends any serious consideration of Jeb!

there's 9,000 parents that would like a word with you behind the dumpster on the pier, above the sharks, you pompous pos

fedup52
fedup52

@St Simons he-ne-ha Poor Jeb he is still following Trump.  Now Jebby poo is for increasing taxes on the hedge fund managers.

KUTGF
KUTGF

Why is it that so many of the RWers come in and post the same stupidity about:


Davis v sanctuary cities

Lawless Davis v Lawless Obama

Persecution of Christians

And HILLARY........


Just some examples.  And no matter how debunked...wait a few minutes and another RW poster comes in with the same buffoonery.


Too bad there is not a way to organize conversations by debunked talking points.  ;)  Of course, posts would be down 50%. 



fedup52
fedup52

If this clerk had been a Muslim, would all the "ado" have been different?  Just wondering.

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A Muslim stewardess refused to serve alcohol. She is being punished.  Where are the nutz trying to protect her?

Doggone_GA
Doggone_GA

@fedup52 Actually, she is not being punished for not serving alcohol.  This has been posted several times before.  She got agreement with her coworkers for them to serve the alcohol and that was fine until one person filed a complaint that she was not doing her work, that she was wearing a headscarf and had a book with "strange" symbols.  At which point she was fired...and it appears she DOES have a valid discrimination case: that her headscarf and book had nothing to do with her doing her job.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@Doggone_GA @fedup52 You conveniently left off the part about her not doing her job and expecting her co-workers to pick up her slack.

Typical.

1Robert
1Robert

Davis is another democrat that does not follow the law when they do not like the law.  

Doggone_GA
Doggone_GA

@1Robert That would have a little more punch if she'd only refused to give out marriages to same-sex couples...but as it was, she was refusing to give out ANY marriage licenses.

skydog12
skydog12

@1Robert


Just like you. Sometimes you speed, sometimes you don`t.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

In a Labor Day speech, Hillary Clinton promised that, when she is president: "We're going to go back to enforcing labor laws, and I'm going to make sure that some employers go to jail for wage theft.” 

Ummm.  And speaking of going to jail, Michael J. Schmidt at the New York Times reports, this morning, that:

A special intelligence review of two emails that Hillary Rodham Clinton received as secretary of state on her personal account — including one about North Korea’s nuclear weapons program — has endorsed a finding by the inspector general for the intelligence agencies that the emails contained highly classified information when Mrs. Clinton received them, senior intelligence officials said.

The review was conducted by:… the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency

And:… concluded that the emails were “Top Secret,” the highest classification of government intelligence, when they were sent to Mrs. Clinton in 2009 and 2011.

Not “wage theft,” maybe.  But it does sound serious.

RaindroidWillBoy
RaindroidWillBoy

@LordHelpUs @RaindroidWillBoy @DownInAlbany


How can you be so blind?  I guess the old adage about admitting your baby is ugly applies.


Seems her lies and cover up, lack of integrity and public trust and the like matter not as qualifications for our presidency.



LordHelpUs
LordHelpUs

@RaindroidWillBoy @LordHelpUs @DownInAlbany It's OK...there will be another 'scandal' to latch onto (like a starving dog and a porkchop) as soon as this one dies on the vine...like ALL the others...

But, keep grasping at every straw and someday...maybe, just maybe, THE scandal the CDSers have been hoping (wishing, praying) for for 25 years will arise.  Probably not, but the CDS condition is clearly causing insanity...

Brosephus
Brosephus

@DownInAlbany 

Well, my father is a politician, so I know they all lie.  Shouldn't come as a surprise, especially given that it's pretty much a known truth.

Thanks for being a fan of my every word to know I would say such...   LOL!!!!!

Guess I could have also said that you posting something about Hillary comes as no surprise, but I don't waste time in stating the obvious.  I hope you get help with this addiction of yours before it manifests itself into something detrimental to the health and safety of you and your family.

LordHelpUs
LordHelpUs

@RaindroidWillBoy @LordHelpUs @DownInAlbany Yup, my prediction is that it will end like Benghazi, Whitewater, Vince Foster, the Whitey Tape, Ron Brown, Hillary is a lesbian, the Clinton's are drug dealers, etc., ad nauseam...

Low infos have cried wolf too many times to ever be taken seriously.

Brosephus
Brosephus

@RaindroidWillBoy 

"Seems her lies and cover up, lack of integrity and public trust and the like matter not as qualifications for our presidency."

We elect presidents, not popes.  Find a presidential candidate that hasn't lied and/or covered up something.  Like you're going to vote for her anyway.

LordHelpUs
LordHelpUs

@DownInAlbany You got you a 'wish' scandal...You know, like a 'Wish Sandwich,' where you got two slices of bread and WiSH you had some meat'! (h/t Elwood Blues)