Is a reality-based political debate really too much to ask of America?

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So this happened …

For those who can’t view the video, a questioner wearing a Trump shirt, at a Trump rally in New Hampshire, says to Donald Trump:

“We have a problem in this country. It’s called Muslims. You know our current president is one. You know he’s not even an American. Anyway, we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. That’s my question: When can we get rid of them?”

To which Trump of course responds:

“We’re going to be looking at a lot of different things. You know, a lot of people are saying that and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening. We’re going to be looking at that and many other things.”

The video above tells us a lot about Trump’s character as a person and also the character of his presidential campaign. It’s an ugly reminder that the origins of the Trump 2016 campaign go back to his peddling of birtherism, which brought him a lot of attention and applause from certain quarters. And the reaction of the Trump campaign when criticism began to build?

“The media wants to make this issue about Obama. The bigger issue is that Obama is waging war against Christians in this country. Their religious liberty is at stake.”

Not surprisingly, Hillary Clinton issued a statement condemning Trump, as did the Democratic National Committee. But to my knowledge, none of Trump’s fellow Republican candidates have done so. They’ve allegedly been looking for opportunities to distance themselves from Trump, to expose him as an extremist peddling hate and nonsense rather than actual policy. They supposedly want to stress the fact that what Trump represents is not representative of the Republican Party as a whole.

Well, here’s their shot: All they have to say are two things, neither of which ought to be controversial:

1.) President Obama is not a Muslim;

2.) Muslim-Americans have just as much right to be here as everybody else, and it’s dangerous bigotry to suggest otherwise. To remain silent or even imply support when somebody publicly suggests that we need to “get rid of” a group of Americans based on their religious faith is unacceptable.

Instead, silence. And why? Because as a CNN poll found earlier this month, 43 percent of Republicans agree that Obama is a Muslim. A mere 30 percent is willing to concede that he is Christian.  (Another recent poll found that 54 percent of Republicans believe Obama is a Muslim, with just 14 percent accepting that he is Christian.) And apparently, a Republican candidate for president isn’t going to risk offending that demographic by challenging its ridiculous notions.

(UPDATE at 10:31: To his credit, Chris Christie has stepped forward: “I’ll just tell you what I would do, and I wouldn’t have permitted that. If someone brought that up at a town hall meeting of mine, I would’ve said, ‘No, listen. Before we answer, let’s clear some things up for the rest of the audience. And I think you have an obligation as a leader to do that.”)

As I’ve said all along, Donald Trump is not the real problem. He is a symptom of the problem, a personification of the problem, a sly charlatan who recognized the problem as an opportunity and pounced. But the problem itself lies deeper, it is growing, and it is not going to go away when Trump does.

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gotalife
gotalife

The birther trump gave us President Clinton just like w gave us President Obama.

gotalife
gotalife

Adam cracked a joke about the birther racist trump and cons are crying like babies.

US_Patriot
US_Patriot

"The EU logged 213,000 arrivals in April, May and June but only 44,000 of them were fleeing the Syrian civil war."


OMG!  They're not all "migrants"?  Shocked, I tell ya, just shocked.


And then we have POTUS stepping up to the plate and saying the US will take in  100k "migrants", 'course they each get $1850, plus room, plus meals, plus medical care (Obummer care), + + +.




breckenridge
breckenridge

You know Lenin actually both the Hungarians and the Czechs has better ideas on how to make socialism work than the Russians did.  And how were they rewarded? The Red Army tanks rolled into town.

breckenridge
breckenridge

All of Russian communism into the dustbin tout court? 

Well certainly Stalinism.  He totally sucked.

LeninTime
LeninTime

@breckenridge 

Well I would certainly agree with that. 

But the problem is that it's difficult to separate it out, as it latched on to what came before it at the level of symbols (turning the figures of the revolution into quasi religious icons and appealing to a crude nationalism) while brutally purging everyone that remained who still represented the revolutionary spirit.

JKLtwo
JKLtwo

@gotalife @JKLtwo @KUTGF Only in your weak little mind.  The rest of the Demwits are waiting on the bus for her to be thrown  under.

LeninTime
LeninTime

@Bulls_3y3 

but what he doesn't understand is that the commies only contribution to mankind are breadlines, failed car companies

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Only contribution is breadlines? Doesn't the communist Red Army's destruction of the Nazi war machine in Europe in WWII not count?

Oh I think you'll have to agree it does.

As for failed car companies, how many of the high and mighty capitalist US car companies have made it without having to go to the government, hat in hand, for bailouts?

Bulls_3y3
Bulls_3y3

One reason for the breadlines is the commie military machine... Sure they fought in WWII but the country spent funds on weaponry not the economy & even if they did it was government businesses not the people... Look at the nuclear race, they couldn't keep up with the capitalistic Western nations thus failed & starved the people...

Here's one FORD... FYI - capitalism goes in cycles, here one day gone tomorrow all due to the capitalistic nature of the beast...

Plus, it was a socialist leaning President that bailed out the car companies you refer too.

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Philo_Farnsworth
Philo_Farnsworth

Did Obama invite a Muslim to his pope party?

Oh wait. He can represent.

breckenridge
breckenridge

KUFG this whole targeting of Planned Parenthood.........well it's part of the social conservative agenda, and the country is so over that.  Social conservatism, like Russian communism, is a failed model that deserves to be tossed into the dustbin of history.

US_Patriot
US_Patriot

Yeah, those videos of PP folks are just actors in a movie.  Nah, no evidence.  Nah.

LeninTime
LeninTime

@breckenridge 

All of Russian communism into the dustbin tout court? 

Even the Red Army that destroyed the Nazi war machine in Europe, into the dustbin? 

KUTGF
KUTGF

@breckenridge I agree they are targeting PP unfairly and based on lies and deception.  Not even a thin veil of "legitimacy". 

KUTGF
KUTGF

As PoliticusUSA's Jason Easley noted:

Former Sec. Clinton brought up a great point. If Republicans are so interested in banning fetal tissue research, why are they only targeting Planned Parenthood? The answer is that the Republican attack isn’t really about fetal tissue research. Republicans are on a mission to take healthcare options away from women.

Carly Fiorina is enjoying her moment in the sun by lying about Planned Parenthood. In the coming days, Fiorina will continue to press the issue until Republicans in Congress cave and Planned Parenthood is not defunded. Hillary Clinton is going to give Fiorina any free publicity by calling out her name, but the Republican Party and Fiorina are tap dancing on a landmine if they plan to use Planned Parenthood to attack Hillary Clinton.

They're dancing on another one with Trump and the open racism, but that hasn't stopped the majority of their candidates from jumping on his bandwagon as well.

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Tapdancing on a landmine....  describes many of the tactics of our RWers

Philo_Farnsworth
Philo_Farnsworth

What healthcare options do repubs want to take away?

You posted that so you explain it.

KUTGF
KUTGF

@Philo_Farnsworth Sweetie, I did not post the lies of Fiornia.  We all have seen them.  Those with brains know she is the liar.  If you don't....well that says it all.

Philo_Farnsworth
Philo_Farnsworth

Why do you post crap written by liars?

Oh, because you're a liar too.

breckenridge
breckenridge

Ben Carson sucks.  He's from the antiquated and outdated version of the GOP. 

gotalife
gotalife

@breckenridge He is feeding them his bigotry on Muslims. Red meat if you will. We are deporting the wrong people.

gotalife
gotalife

The President got two Americans in Yemen released and asked the Pope to try for the ones in Iran.


Iran's President said Iran's goal is for peace activity.

More peace deals coming.

Philo_Farnsworth
Philo_Farnsworth

Why do libs luv those who chant, "Death to America?"

Oh, they agree.

ByteMe
ByteMe

@Philo_Farnsworth Interestingly, I only see right-wingers complaining that this country sucks.  Liberals seem fine with the way things are going except for not getting some justified retribution from Wall Streeters.

And, yes, the Ayatollahs are right-wingers.  Think about that.

US_Patriot
US_Patriot

@ByteMe ~ Well, maybe liberals really like that sucking sound a toilet makes when it's flushed.

JKLtwo
JKLtwo

@gotalife And you're dumn enough to believe them...

Fly your "Gruber certified stupid" flag proudly!  You've earned it.

breckenridge
breckenridge

Yea, Lenin has a problem with capitalism but what he doesn't understand is that the commies only contribution to mankind are breadlines

Good point on the breadlines. 

And Ronald Reagan was very aware that the agriculture economy in America, especially in California, relied on immigrant workers, and that shipping all the illegals out would cripple the fruit and vegetable industries.  As a result the fresh produce section at grocery stores would look like the vacant shelves in the Soviet Union and its satellite nations under communism.

Say no to communism.  Keep the fresh produce coming.

US_Patriot
US_Patriot

@gotalife OMG!  You're still referencing HuffBlo?


Guess the "Bern" is very scared of the Hildabeast, who had to explain "I'm a real person".  I mean really, she's trying to explain she's "a real person"? Lame, very lame.

Philo_Farnsworth
Philo_Farnsworth

Many of the loons here link something called rawstory or some such. Don't click on their posts. You will receive a cookie identifying you as a subversive.

gotalife
gotalife

The Pope does not live in con la la land so they attack him.

gotalife
gotalife

@ByteMe @gotalife Fake Christians preaching to the cons that are fake Christians too. Help the poor is a hell no from these horrible human beings. 

ByteMe
ByteMe

@gotalife Ironic how much they attempt to wrap themselves in the "Christ Cloak" and then attack everyone who disagrees with them.