Another mass shooting at college? Hell yes we should ‘politicize it’

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Seven to 10 people have been killed — perhaps more — and at least 20 wounded in a shooting at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore., a largely rural area highly dependent on a declining timber industry. The shooter is reportedly in custody or dead.

At 3:30 p.m., we don’t know much more.

At times such as these, the call often goes out not to “politicize” such tragedies, out of respect for the dead. Well, baloney. Out of respect for the dead, we better politicize it, not in order to gain partisan advantage but because their deaths obligate us to try to stop such tragedies if possible.

I’m not going to argue that any particular change in gun laws could have prevented what happened in Oregon, in large part because we know so little.  That would be foolish. However, we know that such shootings are going to become fodder for both sides in a debate looming in the Georgia General Assembly beginning in January. Under HB544, introduced last year, a person with a concealed weapons license would be able to carry a weapon, and I quote,  in or on any real property or building owned by or leased to any public or private technical school, vocational school, college, university, or other institution of postsecondary education.”

Any building or real property.

What does that mean? It means classrooms. It means administrative offices. It means the student union. The gym, the dormitory, the cafeteria, all of that.

It also means Sanford Stadium on a football Saturday at UGA. And Bobby Dodd Stadium at Georgia Tech. And basketball games. And concerts.

Won’t that be excellent? Imagine when Alabama fans descend on Georgia this weekend, and fans start yelling insults at each other? Imagine that the fans on both sides are armed — legally armed, with nothing that law enforcement can do to interfere.

What could possibly go wrong? And that’s just one example.

How would you like to be a college professor meeting a student who is demanding that you change a poor grade, and the angry kid shows up with a weapon strapped to his side. That weapon would be perfectly legal under HB 544. And unfortunately, that’s not an unlikely example. In St. Louis not so long ago, a student had an argument over finances with a financial aid administrator and shot the administrator. At the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2010, a professor who had been denied tenure stood up at a faculty meeting and killed three people and wounded three others, execution style.

Colleges and universities are different places. They often produce high-stress situations for young people away from home for the first time, often experimenting with alcohol and drugs and sex. Suicides are already too common. And if you introduce firearms into that volatile environment, you are asking for tragedy.

As we know, the counter argument will be that the legal presence of firearms on campus will make those facilities safer. But it’s interesting to note that the legislators who will make that argument next year will do so in a gun-free facility, protected by X-ray screeners and heavily armed state police. If they honestly believe that the legal presence of firearms makes people safer, why do they deny themselves that additional safety?

Let me ask this another way: How many of you work in an office, or a store, or a factory, somewhere where you interact with co-workers and customers? Do any of your workplaces allow your co-workers and customers to openly carry and display firearms?

No. Very few workplaces allow employees or customers to carry weapons. They know the numbers. Their insurance companies know the numbers. They don’t want workplace violence. They don’t want the intimidation that weapons can create. They don’t want the accidents. They don’t want somebody who just got a bad employee evaluation, or who just got fired, to have quick and easy access to a firearm. They know that a firearm in a place of business is far far more likely to cause damage than prevent damage.

And if we make guns legal on our college campuses, we’re going to expose thousands and thousands of university employees to a gun-friendly environment that most workers and employers would not find acceptable in a private business. It’s a matter of workplace safety.

Ask legislators. Ask members of the public. “Would YOU like to work in an office where a co-worker kept a loaded .45 in her desk, where another guy walked around with a gun strapped to his waist? Would that make you feel safe and comfortable, or would that make you deeply uneasy?”

In an AJC poll last year, 78 percent of Georgians thought campus carry was a terrible idea. That opposition reaches every part of the state, every demographic group and even every part of the Republican coalition. Men oppose it by a 2-to-1 ratio. Republican voters oppose it by a 3 to 1. South Georgia opposes it by more than 4 to 1. Overall, just 20 percent of Georgians think this is a good idea, and the question is whether that 20 percent will be able to ram it down the throats of the 80 percent.

 

 

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bu2
bu2

The reason there are so many of these tragedies is because politicans politicize it and media runs news on it 24/7.


Its the publicity that gives these nuts the idea.  So its partly on your head Jay-you and the rest of the media.

lvg
lvg

Imagine if Republicans made gun buyers jump through the same hoops as women who try to get an abortion... 


- mandatory 48 hour waiting period 
- a video describing the horrors of gun violence 
- close down all the places in every state where you can legally buy a gun so you have to take time off work and drive hundreds of miles to buy one 
- Make him view pictures of families who have lost a loved one to gun violence 

If only the GOP cared about people as much as they care about fetuses...

Opa
Opa

Obama had 2 years to pass whatever gun control measure he wanted.  The Republicans couldn't stop it, the NRA couldn't stop it.  He did nothing.  Wonder why?

lvg
lvg

Jeb!- Sh-t happens get over it!

Lee30519
Lee30519

Another act of terrorism on Obama's watch!   UGH


Classof98
Classof98

I'm a Christian. I carry a concealed weapon.

Call me crazy.

LeninTime
LeninTime

@Classof98 

I carry a concealed weapon.

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Nooo!!!! You can't be serious!!!!

Call me crazy.

**
No, just oblivious.

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

I don't know a single person whose gun grew legs, walked out the front door and later shot someone.

The problem is people, not guns.

And there is more than ample evidence that if someone wants a gun even in a city, state, or country where guns are banned, that person will get a gun.

So, the Left is focusing on the wrong thing, as usual, and they are completely IGNORING THEIR FAULT in these shootings.

The Left's propaganda machine is constantly cranking out how America is not fair to certain people.  How no one has a chance but those already rich.  How America was built with racism.  How something is "owed" people.  It goes on and on.

Pop culture makes it look like everyone is beautiful and lives a glamorous life of leisure.

And most of all, the attacks on religion, especially Christians.

No wonder there is a growing number of nut cases.

McGarnagle
McGarnagle

@JohnnyReb


Do you work in a gun free zone? Would you feel more comfortable at a football game (where alcohol is being served) if guns were allowed. I am sure YOU are a responsible gum owner but there plenty who are NOT

Kamchak
Kamchak

Dekalb corruption SHEETZ

_GodlessHeathen_
_GodlessHeathen_

TBS 47 minutes ago

GH

Too bad you were around yesterday when one blogger was asking what the odds were of the shooter being named Abu something or another
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That's covered in my annual blanket denunciation statement of all things stupid.  If I tried to denunciate every stupid post on this blog, I'd be here 24/7.

honested
honested

@_GodlessHeathen_ 

Well, apparently the guy was just baseline crazy and 'superstition crazy' wasn't a factor.

Finn-McCool
Finn-McCool

Be great if we could just keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill but there are so many levels of mentally ill so where would you draw the line?

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

The initial line won't be the final line.It should be a good starting point.

Paul42
Paul42

@Finn-McCool

Darn good question.  Unfortunately, the gun lobby has Congress so intimidated they won't pursue such an excellent question.

fedup52
fedup52

O'reilly, the Falkland war hero, gun control regulation is not the answer.  The idiot brigades are out in full force.

King_of_Kolob
King_of_Kolob

@fedup52 but we keep doing the same thing and getting the same results. Doing nothing is exactly what the NRA and gun sellers want. 

honested
honested

@fedup52 

Poor o'liely has to kiss whatever he can to keep the last ten viewers he's got.

lvg
lvg

Can someone get the hayseeds to pass a bill allowing anyone to carry in the Georgia Capital and then televise all debates?

td1234
td1234

@lvg Yes, at the same time Obama,  all the progressive Governors and all the Hollywood progressives give up their armed security because there is no problems with the criminals having guns. 

Brosephus
Brosephus

@td1234 

You don't have to give up armed security to allow guns in the capitol building.  There's APD, CBP, ICE, and other armed agencies in the airport, and people are still allowed to carry guns into the airport.

consumedconsumer
consumedconsumer

@td1234 @lvg criminals having guns or using guns? one's a worry infringing a right (which is verboten remember) and the other is a crime in most instances where a person uses a gun against another person.

Doggone_GA
Doggone_GA

Doom...didn't catch this until this morning, and if you'd like to continue the discussion later I'm game...but I'm headed out for the day right now...just wanted to get this out there.  You said this "Contrast that with a belief that abortion is ok or just using your political beliefs or the social fashions of the day to say abortion is ok because its more important to be non judgmental for your self esteem or to be aligned with you r politics"

I don't "believe" abortion is OK.  Abortion happens, belief has nothing to do with it.  Induced or spontaneous, they happen.  It is not given to us to know the mind of God, so we can't know...maybe it is God's will that a woman choose to end her pregnancy...just as it could be said it's God's will that a miscarriage occur.

I don't know what I would do if I were in the situation where abortion was a choice...God did not see fit to give me the ability to get pregnant, so I'll never have to make that choice.  What I do BELIEVE is that under our laws it is a woman's right to choose and any religious objections are HERS to deal with, not mine.

I'll leave with 2 finals thoughts: when it can be proven that spontaneous abortions NEVER, EVER occur...then I will find it more believable that God does not like abortions

And I came to my opinion that there are worse things than never being born when I read the story of a 15 year old boy who had been rented out as a sex slave by his PARENTS, who had had something like 15 bones broken by his PARENTS, and who was - at the time the story was published...dying of AIDS from sexual contact from which his PARENTS PROFITED.

There are worse things in life than never being born

skydog12
skydog12

It is going to take some crazy shooting up a NASCAR, NFL, NCAAA event to get the gun zealots attention. Maybe a State House.


Dead kids don`t faze them. Dead worshipers don`t faze them. If some idiot takes out Tony Stewart maybe they will see the light?


I am not advocating violence to ANYONE.

fedup52
fedup52

@skydog12 Dead kids don`t faze them. Dead worshipers don`t faze them. If some idiot takes out Tony Stewart maybe they will see the light?

His fans will say "can we watch that over again.  Sweet". 

I know when NASCAR fans admire the accidents during the events.

honested
honested

Just give guns to deranged people, heck give them two or three at a time.


Then require that people with carry permits wear a badge that says "I'm Armed, Shoot Me First"


The whole problem should be self-solved in a few months.

lvg
lvg

@SFM_Scootter @honested Love to see a Georgia- Georgia Tech game with everyone legally carrying. Fans may get more air time than players.

ByteMe
ByteMe

@SFM_Scootter Total gun control in Europe and they don't have the mass shootings problem we do.  Is it that we're "exceptional" or just gullible?

SFM_Scootter
SFM_Scootter

@fedup52  His opinion is correct in my opinion.Gun control isn't the answer.I don't know the correct answer but I do know what ain't!  LOL

consumedconsumer
consumedconsumer

@SFM_Scootter 


imho sensible gun regulations are part of the answer.


the status quo certainly isn't working in this country.

Paul42
Paul42

@fedup52

In fact, in his letter to the president the bonehead said he would NOT enforce any gun control legislation that would subsequently pass.  

Sure glad Jay once pointed out sheriffs are nothing but politicians with badges.  Only thing that explains such stupidity.

Paul42
Paul42

@SFM_Scootter

Not letting children concealed carry is gun control.

Not letting people set up working machine guns on their front lawns is gun control.

Not letting felons, even nonviolent who've been released for 50 year not carry a gun is gun control.

lvg
lvg

@fedup52 Very interesting- So what does the good Sheriff say now caused this little problem in his backyard? a misfired gun?

skydog12
skydog12

@SFM_Scootter @fedup52


Why are there laws against sawed off shotguns and silencers? Why do we restrict the number of shots you get for hunting deer, but not for hunting humans?

SimpleTruths
SimpleTruths

@King_of_Kolob @fedup52 "I'm sure I don't agree with all his points, but many of them are very true, especially the part about always trying to assign blame to one party is one of the terribly broken parts of the country."  - ByteMe, October 2, 2015

consumedconsumer
consumedconsumer

@Paul42 @SFM_Scootter it's also an infringement of a fundamental right . . . so let's get with more infringement in the name of public policy and the public good.


training.


license.


insurance.


continuing education.


perhaps even a doctor's note, since mental health is a continuing thread with many of these 'events'.

consumedconsumer
consumedconsumer

@SFM_Scootter @Paul42 if you have to get a doctor's note every X number of years, it might cut down on things considerably.


and, no, i don't seriously believe the federal or any state government in the US would actually require a mental health test for owning or operating a firearm . . .


i don't seriously believe anything will be done.


welcome to your new normal. american exceptionalism in action apparently.

honested
honested

@skydog12 @SFM_Scootter @fedup52 

Because the NRA gets paid lots of money to make sure the restrictions don't cut into sales!

Heck, we live in a country where Coke can finance 'research' showing that huge quantities of sugary drinks don't make kids fat!

ByteMe
ByteMe

@SFM_Scootter Who defined that auto and boat owners had to have insurance and license?

skydog12
skydog12

@SFM_Scootter @skydog12 @fedup52


Restricting fire power, number of rounds per minute, has everything to do with mass shootings.

The Constitution says you have a right to own a Musket. You want a six shooter or assault rifle? You should have gotten an Amendment. 

How many can you kill with a Musket?

Paul42
Paul42

@SFM_Scootter

If not eliminate, how about minimize?  Prevent some from happening?

consumedconsumer
consumedconsumer

@Finn-McCool i don't believe most of the crazies have prior criminal histories. mass murder is typically their introduction to the world.

SFM_Scootter
SFM_Scootter

@Paul42 @SFM_Scootter  All that is possible I suppose but I really don't know what it will take to solve the problem other than total confiscation of weapons. 

SFM_Scootter
SFM_Scootter

@skydog12 @SFM_Scootter @fedup52  You asked about restricting rounds for hunting animals.Now you are moving the goal post dude.IMO Oh,and the constitution says NOTHING about muskets. Whew!

Paul42
Paul42

@lvg

He'd probably say "no law could have prevented this."

I've never seen so many adults in a subset (gun rights activists) so bereft of ideas or creative thinking.