Brave Ben Carson makes the argument for banning assault weapons

Ben Carson

Presidential candidate Ben Carson said this week that if he ever finds himself in a situation like that at Umpqua Community College in Oregon, “I would not just stand there and let him shoot me. I would say, ‘Hey guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me but he can’t get us all.'”

Carson has taken criticism for that statement, which some have interpreted as an implied slap at those killed and wounded in the attack. That’s a bit unfair. Like a lot of us, Carson simply likes to think that if put in such a situation, he would react heroically. In that he was being more naive than callous, and by expressing it in public, a bit of a braggart as well.

There’s a reason that we celebrate heroes like Chris Mintz, the man who did try to confront the Roseburg killer. We do so because we recognize that such behavior is rare. Most of us would not do it. We can sit here in the safety of our homes or in a press conference and talk about how we think we would respond, as Carson did, but none of us knows until we’re standing there, faced with that situation. Fight or flee, what’s your choice? Ooops. Too late. You’re dead.

But let’s talk a little bit more about the practicalities of the scenario described by Carson.  According to news reports, the Roseburg shooter was armed with three pistols — a Glock 9 mm., a .40 caliber Taurus and a .40 caliber Smith & Wesson — plus a Del-Ton 5.56×45mm rifle.

Mr. Carson, meet Mr. Del-Ton:

delton-sport-lite-ar15-carbine-rifle-223

The Del-Ton 5.56×45mm, manufactured in Elizabethtown, N.C., is a low-cost semi-automatic variation of the classic AR-15 assault weapon. It comes equipped with a 30-round magazine. Keep that in mind when you hear Carson say things like this:

“The shooter can only shoot one person at a time. He cannot shoot a whole group of people. So the idea is overwhelm him so not everybody gets killed.”

In its semiautomatic version, the AR-15 will fire a round as quickly as the shooter can pull the trigger, meaning it can fire its 30-round clip in 20 seconds or less. So if Carson found time to have his theoretical chat with his fellow targets — “Hey guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me but he can’t get us all'” — he would rather quickly find that the shooter can indeed get them all.

According to news accounts, the shooter carried also five additional magazines, presumably 30-round magazines for the Del-Ton. That gives him 180 rounds of rapid firepower. A proficient shooter, which the Roseburg killer was, can switch those magazines out very quickly, in just a few seconds. So if Carson were to try to pick his spot, waiting until the gun was empty like they do in the movies, he would have to do it very very quickly.

Which is where the loaded Glock, Taurus and Smith & Wesson would come into play.

In short, although he doesn’t realize it and would deny if it he did, Carson is making the argument for banning the sale of both assault-type weapons and high-capacity magazines. That equipment was specifically designed to make his romantic little scenario impossible to pull off.  That’s why it exists, to give your targets no chance. It’s also why such equipment is so often the weapon of choice by those intent on doing as much human damage as possible as quickly as humanly possible.

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juliainatlanta
juliainatlanta

The only thing Carson makes a case for is forced sterilization.

Aztec
Aztec

Does it ever occur to the loons on the left that every person killed in these mass shootings is unarmed in "gun free zones"?  


kitty72
kitty72

What Carson is saying is he has no idea of what guns can do, but of course he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express so he's an expert on how to react in those situations. smh

stogiefogey
stogiefogey

"...which some have interpreted as an implied slap at those killed and wounded in the attack."

It's not a slap to at least question why large groups of people in mass shooting incidents usually don't make an effort to rush and disarm their attacker. Maybe just human nature that no one wants to go first...I'm no hero, I probably wouldn't either.

fiftythreepercenter
fiftythreepercenter

"That's called "back-pedaling.""


Hey DA, they showed you a "heavily edited" copy of the interview.  You know, the kind where you don't have to believe any of it's true because some of it's been cut out.  


Your rules, libbies..... sorry if you don't like 'em shoved right slap dab back in your silly faces.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson addressed the controversy over his statement regarding the Oregon shooting, stating, “they didn’t show the whole question” on Wednesday’s “Hannity” on the Fox News Channel.

Carson stated, “they’ve tried to paint me as somebody who is insensitive because, you know, they didn’t ask — they didn’t show the whole question. I was asked the question, what would you do, if you were in Oregon and they were pointing a gun at you asking you about your faith? And I said what I would do. … Now, they didn’t include the question. They just, you know, added the answer to try to make it seem like I was insensitive and that I was critical.”

Peachs
Peachs

@DownInAlbany the guy is a little out of frame, but don't let me stop you, I am kind of hoping you stay the course with this guy, at least he has a career doing something when it is over. 

Numbers_R_Us
Numbers_R_Us

Any Republican that wants to charge someone unloading all the bullets on them from a 30 round clip can be my hero for a day.  Go for it, big boys and girls.  I suspect you would all be hunkered down in fear behind anyone else around, in reality though, just waiting for your chance to take pot shots at an unarmed fleeing Home Depot robber.

barkingfrog
barkingfrog

If only  the Ayatollah would issue a fatwa saying that Sharia Law guarantees

the right to personally keep and bear arms everywhere, Islam would become

Republican Religion.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@fiftythreepercenter  "I think it's pretty safe to say following 8 years of recent history, Jay and you libbies hate Ben Carson because he's black". 

How many black Presidents have your party elected?  The Democrats opened the door for Ben Carson.  Your comment is pure none sense.

barkingfrog
barkingfrog

Ben Carson has about as much chance of getting elected President as Barack Obama 

did.

barkingfrog
barkingfrog


Shouldn't a "well regulated militia" include a membership roster and a personal

weapons inventory of each member ? That to me would be a Constitutional

 requirement.

ByteMe
ByteMe

@barkingfrog Gun humpers want to wish away the "well-regulated militia" clause as having no real meaning.

td1234
td1234

@barkingfrog If that was the meaning of the 2nd Amendment then you might have an argument. Since it is not then the point is mute. 

td1234
td1234

@ByteMe No need to wish it away. It is two totally different independent clauses that address two totally different ideas of the founders just like the 1st Amendment addresses 5 totally different concepts. 

td1234
td1234

@barkingfrog It is YOUR interpretation of what the Constitution says. The Heller decision is the only interpretation that counts. 

honested
honested

@td1234 @barkingfrog 

The 'Heller Decision' is just the most recent Roberts Court mistake and will undoubtedly be corrected.

How can you guys hang your life on 'Heller' while attempting to pretend 'Roe' never happened?

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

@td1234 @ByteMe 

TD, in your view, what issue does the "well regulated militia" clause address?  It's in the same sentences as "shall not be infringed," so is it reasonable to assume it's referring to that?

If not that, what?

td1234
td1234

@Nick_Danger The well regulated militia clause is in reference that Congress has total control over any standing military groups. 

td1234
td1234

@honested Roe happened and there is no denying it. Does not mean that decision was morally correct and not an invented right not clearly stated in the Constitution. 


The second amendment is very clear.  

honested
honested

@td1234 @honested 

Invented?

Was the 14th Amendment passed and ratified?

The Second Amendment clearly states there is a requirement for a 'well regulated militia".

Peachs
Peachs

@ByteMe @barkingfrog this is why the right hate the Supreme Court it holds them to details they can't just slur over facts. 

kitty72
kitty72

@barkingfrog @td1234 


a mute point doesn't say anything. A moot point on the other hand is the phrase I think td was looking for.

Paul42
Paul42

TarHeelUK posted this below in a longish thread.  Worth reposting for our conservative, anti-Muslim, pro-constitution conservatives.

Excerpted from Thomas Jefferson's Quran


[He] sais “neither Pagan nor Mahamedan [Muslim] nor Jew ought to be excluded from the civil rights of the Commonwealth because of his religion.”
 — Thomas Jefferson, quoting John Locke, 1776
 


At a time when most Americans were uninformed, misinformed, or simply afraid of Islam, Thomas Jefferson imagined Muslims as future citizens of his new nation. His engagement with the faith began with the purchase of a Qur’an eleven years before he wrote the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson’s Qur’an survives still in the Library of Congress, serving as a symbol of his and early America’s complex relationship with Islam and its adherents. 

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ByteMe
ByteMe

@Paul42 Aaaaaaannnnnnd the antidote for intelligent thoughts about Islam:


A Facebook page called "Global Rally for Humanity" appeared in August urging "patriots" to organize protests at their local mosques on Friday and Saturday. "Global Rally for Humanity" appears to have ties to John Ritzheimer, who rose to prominence among anti-Muslim activists when he organized a protest and "Draw Mohammad" contest in May in Phoenix. Known for his bizarre antics, he recently attracted the attention of U.S. Capitol Police when he vowed in an open letter to arrest Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) over her support for the Iranian nuclear deal.

It's unclear whether Ritzheimer himself organized the event. He said in a Facebook video posted Aug. 9 that he and others were "planning a global rally to protest against radical Islam," citing contacts in Canada, Australia and Europe. He also encouraged interested protesters to bring their weapons.


Paul42
Paul42

@ByteMe

Like that guy said, many Americans need something to hate.

Numbers_R_Us
Numbers_R_Us

@Paul42 Clearly, Jefferson did not care much for the bigoted and ignorant rants of the JReb's of his time either.

KUTGF
KUTGF

"Common sense is what tells us the earth is flat.”
Stuart Chase

ByteMe
ByteMe

@KUTGF Until you get above about 10,000 feet... then you can see that the earth curves at the horizon.  It's pretty cool.



fiftythreepercenter
fiftythreepercenter

I think it's pretty safe to say following 8 years of recent history, Jay and you libbies hate Ben Carson because he's black. 


You should be ashamed, libbies.

KUTGF
KUTGF

@fiftythreepercenter Doubling down on the stupidity of a false assertion does not make it any less stupid and does not reflect well on you sweetie. 

Paul42
Paul42

@fiftythreepercenter

Where's that conservative bravery?  Speaking truth?  Not caring what anybody says as you stand for the right, 53?   You and JR have been speaking in generalities all morning.  

Why shouldn't a Muslim be elected president?

I think you understand you realize whatever you post will do a really good job of confirming the bigotry that's evident to most others.  Same reason JR won't answer.

fiftythreepercenter
fiftythreepercenter

@KUTGF @fiftythreepercenter What's the matter keep, do you not like having 8 years of listening to that BS you libs have spewed thrown right back in that silly face of yours? 


Hahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!

HDB0329
HDB0329

@fiftythreepercenter Liberals don't hate Carson because he's black.....he's politically STUPID!! THAT'S the reason.........