A leaderless, rudderless House GOP descends into chaos

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John Boehner didn’t want it.

Paul Ryan and Trey Gowdy don’t want it either. And now Kevin McCarthy, Boehner’s presumed successor as speaker of the House, one of the most powerful positions in U.S. government, has dropped out of consideration as well. Nobody has any idea of what happens next. It’s utter chaos.

If nothing else, this exposes the inanity of the claim that Barack Obama has been the cause of the divisiveness that has paralyzed Washington for so long. House Republicans constitute the most ideologically homogenous caucus in congressional history, running the entire gamut from far right to very right, and they can’t get along with each other well enough to perform the basic task of picking and backing their own leader. They reject the very notion of leadership, compromise or anything else needed to make a government operational.

What a damn circus. Or kindergarten. Or circular firing squad.

Or a circular firing squad of kindergarteners. At a circus.

With no one to clean up after the elephants.

 

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straker
straker

I wonder, in the entire history of our country, has their ever been a case like this, where people are turning down the third most powerful position in our Government?

Fly-On-The-Wall
Fly-On-The-Wall

@Visual_Cortex @straker true, very true.  But it does seem odd that no one currently wants that position from the majority party.  Or, as least no one that is competent wants it.

Fly-On-The-Wall
Fly-On-The-Wall

This will get fixed but I'm not sure what damage the Republican Party has done to the image of our system of government.  If we are suppose to be that beacon of hope to the world, how can anyone look at us now and say I want my country to be just like them.

Fly-On-The-Wall
Fly-On-The-Wall

@~moonbat_betty~ @Fly-On-The-Wall I understand the immigrant part but I was talking more towards those nations that would like to model their system of government after ours.  Just to hit on a flash point, one of the reasons we went into Iraq was to spread democracy, our brand of democracy.  

Imagine how that looks now. 

fedup52
fedup52

Airman 1st Class Spencer Stone, who helped stop a terror attack on a French train over the summer, was stabbed and seriously wounded Thursday in a fight outside a bar

+++++

We have better quality nuts compared to France.

fedup52
fedup52

The family of Walter Scott, a black South Carolina man shot and killed by a police officer who is now facing murder charges, has reached a $6.5 million settlement with city officials.

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I don't understand why cities cannot hire sane people to be LEO. 

Paul42
Paul42

@fedup52

That money would have paid for a lot of psychological/aptitude screening before candidates ever got cleared for the academy.

fedup52
fedup52

As soon as Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) shocked his fellow Republicans by withdrawing from the race for House speaker, Paul Ryan knew what was coming.

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He has the chance to become the third in line of top dogs.

If he doesn't take it that means the wheels of the clown car have come off.

Paul42
Paul42

@fedup52

He's head of Ways and Means.  Support throughout the caucus.  To be effective, the next Speaker will have to knock some heads and, given that lot, some enemies who view 'no' as the word of a traitor.

Maybe it is time to bring in an outsider since the caucus can't find someone within who's willing to do what must be done.

Eye wonder
Eye wonder

@fedup52

Personally I do not want the Boy Wonder in that position.  It'd be real nice if the cons could find a rational, reasonable, sort of middle of the road conservative who would work with the other side.  Yes, I know there is more chance of Tiger breaking Jack's record at this point. 

Paul42
Paul42

@Fly-On-The-Wall

Only if they played the right music every time he walked into the House chamber - 

fedup52
fedup52

Because of that, it has turned into an American Taliban or Southern ISIS, if you will.  a group willing to destroy their Party in an effort to bring down the Government. 

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Do you think we will watch some beheadings on you tube.

Eye wonder
Eye wonder

 FWIW, a glance at the President's approvals when compared to the last two guys, at this point in his second term--

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

puts him nine points below Clinton, but 15 points above Bush--and almost exactly at the average. So, who knows. Seems like a wash to me.


We will never know but I would submit that white skin is worth at least a 10 point jump.  In other words, if Barack Hussein was white and named something a lot more generic, his approval rating at this point would exceed Clinton's.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Eye wonder

In other words, if Barack Hussein was white and named something a lot more generic, his approval rating at this point would exceed Clinton's

I think that sometimes too. But seriously, if it were President John Edwards (work with me here), I suspect the RW noise machine would be similarly adept at minimizing his Presidency as well, and he'd have somewhat similar numbers.

Eye wonder
Eye wonder

@Visual_Cortex @Eye wonder I'm not sure I quite agree with that.  No question that there would be a wall of opposition, but I have never seen a President treated like this one has been.  Especially considering that if you strip away the hyper-partisanship and look at the reality of the world we are living in, Mr. Obama has actually been a very good President and the country is in a significantly better position than it was when he took the helm.

JKLtwo
JKLtwo

@Normd Is that why you like Hillary?  Because she is such a terrible actor(liar)?

Jimmyliscious
Jimmyliscious

@Normd @JKLtwo  Bernie may not be part of the Oligarchy but Hillary is bought and paid for by the companies squeezing the chamber of commerce for cheap labor. We'll find out more as the debates go. I haven't researched Bernie's stance on open borders, legal status for illegals and expanding the H1B1 visa program like Rubio for the cheap labor, but incrementally the Libs are going to add everyone to Obamacare  too bankrupting the states and middle class. They're already recommending that Germany raise the retirement age from 63 to 70 and doing away with the minimum wage to pay for the migrant invasion. That will be coming here.

Numbers_R_Us
Numbers_R_Us

You gotta love these Republicans.  They whine and moan and carry on about how they all just want their freedom and when they get it, they just stand around drooling from the collective mouth going "duhhhhhhhhh".  Now is the chance for people like Deal to really shine here in Georgia with an offer to truly help those mentally unbalanced but free patriots.

Wascatlady
Wascatlady

It seems they are eating their young.

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

Yep. I can't believe the myth of Columbus has lasted this long

Doggone_GA
Doggone_GA

@Visual_Cortex You ought to read the history of native cultures BEFORE Europeans got here.  They weren't very nice to each other.  The reputed history of Blood Mountain comes to mind.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Doggone_GA @Visual_Cortex

They weren't very nice to each other

And I am not interested in whitewashing any history, of course.

But after several centuries of self-congratulations over our "discovery" of the New World, I figure a little self-correcting never hurt.

Normd
Normd

Good, good Friday morning to all y'all worker bee's and to all y'all retirees, have a happy Saturday #5...lol


I've been thinking about this situation with the Republican Party, and I don't understand how a radically idealistic minority could upturn the party like it has, other than big money.  The Tea Party started off as a grass roots movement but was shortly usurped by the Koch brothers.  Because of that, it has turned into an American Taliban or Southern ISIS, if you will.  a group willing to destroy their Party in an effort to bring down the Government.  To me, personally, a man who has dedicated a third of his life to military service to this Government, it sounds like treason.  Loosen up folks,  we are flirting with an Oligarchy with all that means...the "have it all's ", and the "have nothings". 

Doggone_GA
Doggone_GA

@Normd I'm about to head out for the day, but on this "I don't understand how a radically idealistic minority could upturn the party like it has" 

I would say, they haven't.  The problem is that the moderates are too scared of being voted out of office to do an end run around them and work with the other side to get things done.  I don't think as many of them would be voted out...but they're each afraid it will be them.

That's how I see it

Have a good day

Normd
Normd

@Doggone_GA @Normd 

But if they are too scared to act, then I submit that the Party IS upturned.

Numbers_R_Us
Numbers_R_Us

The wingnuttiest of the house Republicans, the ones calling themselves the freeeeedom caucus, think Ryan is too moderate.  Bwah hahahahahha!

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

I heard a good bit of this as an audio clip played elsewhere, and it's really quite painful.

Doc Carson gets asked about the debt ceiling, and it's clear he hasn't had any kind of briefing on what the "debt ceiling" actually means.


http://www.marketplace.org/topics/elections/full-interview-dr-ben-carson-economy


I'm not doing this to make fun of the guy, just to point out that this far into a campaign, you kinda have to know this stuff, at least a little bit. And it's symptomatic of the hubris you see in Trump and Fiorina as well, this notion that you can just leapfrog from zero elective official experience to the most powerful elected office in the world.


The actual exchange is too long to post here (well, with a clear conscience.) But Carson is asked five times what he'd do as President, and never reveals how he'd magically get our bills paid with his approach without massive economic disruption.



Menace
Menace

@Visual_Cortex  Heard this also.  It was painful.  I actually thought he understood the question - just didn't want to give a staight answer.  The truth would hurt his standing with the base.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Menace @Visual_Cortex

 I actually thought he understood the question

With that kind of outright evasiveness and robotic stock-responses, though, one really must wonder. 

Doggone_GA
Doggone_GA

@Menace @Visual_Cortex Just once before I die I'd like to hear of a Presidential candidate...when asked a question like that...say "There's nothing I can do about it.  Elect me A CONGRESS WHO WILL SEND ME THE BILLS I CAN SIGN TO TAKE CARE OF IT"

straker
straker

Elect a Republican to the White House and YOU TOO can live in a leaderless, rudderless country!!