Illegal immigration the fulcrum on which the GOP nomination teeters

Bernardo Ortega Guerrero

I doubt he’ll be rewarded for it — certainly not in this cycle of Republican primaries and maybe not in this lifetime either — but Ohio Gov. John Kasich performed a significant public service in last night’s GOP debate when he pointed out the absurdity of solving the illegal immigration problem through mass, forced deportation.

“If people think that we’re going to ship 11 million people who are law-abiding, who are in this country, and we’re somehow going to pick them up at their house and ship them out to Mexico — think about their families! Think about the children!” Kasich said. “So you know what the answer really is? If they’ve been law-abiding, they pay a penalty, they get to stay. We protect the (border) wall, anybody else comes over, we ship them back. But for the 11 million people, come on folks, we all know that you can’t pick them up and ship them across the border. It’s a silly argument. It’s not an adult argument. It makes no sense.”

Jeb Bush, to his credit, jumped in to support Kasich.

“It would tear communities apart and it would send the signal that we’re not the kind of country that I know America is,” he said of the mass deportation approach proposed by Donald Trump and others. “Even having this conversation sends a powerful signal. They’re doing high fives in the Clinton campaign right now when they hear this.”

Brian Fallon, Clinton’s press secretary, quickly confirmed:

high5

Trump, not surprisingly, disagreed, as did Ted Cruz a few minutes later. “If Republicans join Democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose,” Cruz said, framing the issue as a question of economics, with cheap illegal labor driving down the wages of American citizens.

I have some sympathy with that latter argument, but unfortunately, the time to make it would have been 10 or 20 years ago, when the great influx of undocumented workers was still underway. In fact, I and others did make that argument at the time, pointing out that the only way to stem the inflow would be to enforce the law more aggressively at the employer level.

That didn’t happen, and it didn’t happen in part because some of the same Republicans now arguing against amnesty worked hard to prevent workplace enforcement by the federal government. Business wanted the cheap labor. As I’ve pointed out earlier, the same dynamic played out at the state level. Our General Assembly has been a font of aggressively anti-immigrant legislation in recent years, but it was absolutely silent on the issue back when the housing boom was underway and politically powerful developers needed access to cheap labor.

As a result of that conspiracy of silence, those 11 million people are here now — some 400,000 in Georgia alone — and in most cases they’ve been here for 10, 20 or 30 years. They’ve raised their kids here, made their lives here, and they’re not going back to Mexico, Honduras or other home countries voluntarily. And as Kasich and Bush acknowledged, we lack the resources, political will and basic inhumanity required to do it by force.

So if the economic concern expressed by Cruz and others is sincere, the best way to address it would be to bring illegal immigrants out of the shadow economy and into the sunlight. Make them and their employers pay the same taxes that apply to legal American workers pay. Make their employers abide by wage, workplace safety and other rules that apply to legal workers. Give them the legal protection needed to demand and seek higher wages without fear of being deported.

Otherwise, we are stuck with a status quo in which we consign a more or less permanent underclass to work for less, with less protection, in an unofficial economy that undercuts the official workforce, while denying that underclass the hope of betterment that makes better citizens of all of us.

Finally, it would have been interesting to hear Marco Rubio, the one-time sponsor of comprehensive immigration reform, try to address the deportation question at the debate, given that he has claimed to see the errors of his ways. Unfortunately, the question never reached him and he certainly didn’t attempt to insert himself into the discussion.

Earlier today, however, in an interview with NPR, Rubio explained his current position more fully:

“If you haven’t been here very long, or you’re a criminal, you will be deported, Otherwise, you will have to come forward, pass the background check, learn English, pay a fine, because you violated the law, start paying taxes, and you’ll get a work permit. And that’s all you’re going to have for at least a decade.”

“After 10 years on the work permit, I personally am open to — after the 10 years have expired — to allowing people to apply for a green card, just through the normal process that anyone else would use.”

I suspect Trump and Cruz would condemn that as amnesty. I also suspect that we have found the fulcrum on which the GOP nomination will teeter from here on out.

 

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DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

In an ironic development, to say the least, protesters at the University of Missouri (MU) segregated themselves by race Wednesday night, having white students leave a gathering in order to create a “black-only healing space.”

Supporters of the group Concerned Students 1950, which has spearheaded the protest movement at MU, assembled at the school’s student center Wednesday night for a meeting after a planned protest march was canceled due to bad weather. And then, according to activist Steve Schmidt, whites were asked to leave:



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/11/mizzou-protesters-now-segregating-their-members-by-race/#ixzz3rIM98din

What a freaking mess...

Peachs
Peachs

@DownInAlbany and if they were not so engrossed in football this would be another day in Mo.  

td1234
td1234

"As reported earlier this week, the FBI probe of Democrat presidential frontrunner and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over her use of a private email server has expanded. Today, the FBI is further expanding its investigation by putting Clinton under the microscope for potentially violating a federal false statements statute, a felony offense. More from Fox News

The FBI has expanded its probe of Hillary Clinton's emails, with agents exploring whether multiple statements violate a federal false statements statute, according to intelligence sources familiar with the ongoing case.

Fox News is told agents are looking at U.S. Code 18, Section 1001, which pertains to "materially false" statements given either in writing, orally or through a third party. Violations also include pressuring a third party to conspire in a cover-up. Each felony violation is subject to five years in prison.

"The agents involved are under a lot of pressure and are busting a--," an intelligence source, who was not authorized to speak on the record, told Fox News.

The section of the criminal code being explored is known as "statements or entries generally," and can be applied when an individual makes misleading or false statements causing federal agents to expend additional resources and time. "

Kamchak
Kamchak

An intelligent budget is when you don't buy the "smelling sauce".

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

Ah - TD is back to his "Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union" mantra.  Got nothing to do with almost 50 years of steadfast US policy through multiple administrations - D and R.  Got nothing to do with Congress.  Nothing to do with NATO.  Nothing to do with the Democratic Congress passing the military spending bills.  Nothing to do with overreach in Afghanistan.  Nothing to do with grassroots resistance in the DDR, Poland, Czechoslovakia.  Nope - all St. Ronnie standing in front of the Berlin Wall.  And TD claims he taught history!

td1234
td1234

@PaulinNH Considering that Defense and intelligence  budgets were cut during the Carter years and then increased dramatically during the Reagan years when the Commies surrendered, then your analysis has some major holes.  

td1234
td1234

@Nick_Danger Yes, we know the only reason some of the bloggers come on this blog is to find those gotcha moments is word that are typos, spelling errors... like this is a college English class instead of a political blog.  

Paul42
Paul42

@td1234 @PaulinNH

"Considering that Defense and intelligence  budgets were cut during the Carter years and then increased dramatically during the Reagan years when the Commies surrendered, then your analysis has some major holes. "

as does your response, td.

It wasn't  just American spending, it was the Soviet defense spending.  After-the -fact analysis showed  USSR spent approaching 50% GDP on all military support (some go as low as just over a quarter, but recent documents showed that too low).  Yes, they did boost spending in response to Reagan initiatives, but that merely sped the process.  They were rotting and imploding.

Meanwhile, we spend over 50% of discretionary spending on Defense.


PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@Visual_Cortex @LordHelpUs @td1234 @PaulinNH   There you go with them there "facts" again.  You might need to explain the graphs to TD though - last graph I know he looked at he claimed that MSNBC was mostly watched by Asians.

fedup52
fedup52

@td1234 @PaulinNH Intelligent agencies do not publish their budget for good reasons.  SO QUIT LYING.

Peachs
Peachs

@PaulinNH cons love pinning metals on one guy, they are self made kind of guys...

LordHelpUs
LordHelpUs

@td1234 @PaulinNH  'Considering that Defense and intelligent budgets were cut during the Carter years ' - what are 'intelligent' budgets?

Bill OrvisWhite
Bill OrvisWhite

The winner of all debates thus far: The honorable Doctor Benjamin Carson. Doctor Carson WILL lead with authority, common sense and a true vision that WILL put this once-free nation back on The Road to Prosperity. Amen, Bill 

Peachs
Peachs

@Bill OrvisWhite we need a drug test here, Carson is a test of how far a stranger can go in American politics with no record and no challenge to his thought process, like testing the security of an airport to see what you can get away with. 

Peachs
Peachs

@DownInAlbany @Bill OrvisWhite the total show of disregard to the facts you show every day is sponsored by the freedom to have FOX or what ever polluted truth you worship, it is total freedom and I defend you right to be whatever you feel you need to be..

td1234
td1234

"

Jonathan Butler — the University of Missouri grad student who became the public face of the #ConcernedStudent1950 protests that forced the resignation of both the school’s president and chancellor — claimed several times that he was hit by a car carrying the president in early October during the school’s homecoming parade.

However, a look at video of the incident itself shows that Jonathan Butler actually rushes towards the car."


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/11/video-shows-university-missouri-activist-jonathan-butler-falsified-key-claim-president/

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@td1234 Another myth unravels before our very eyes.  And, it's driving the libs N-U-T-S! 

td1234
td1234

@Nick_Danger Point is that it appears that progressives are using lies to create anarchy at the University the same as they used with  "hands up, don't shoot" . 


That is all progressives have is lies and half truths to touch emotion. 

Peachs
Peachs

@td1234 @Nick_Danger easy on those lies, you are the party that have gays following out of the closet because they have to lie just to get a ticket, their whole life is a lie and all because you can't handle the truth..

Peachs
Peachs

@DownInAlbany @fedup52 @Nick_Danger @td1234 how many more gay guys yall still got in your closet lying to you right now? Tell em they are welcomed over in the Democrat Party but they have got to stop that lying on those other things we do think are important like mass weapons of destruction..

Kamchak
Kamchak

Second Missouri man arrested for online threat to shoot black people

Second Missouri man arrested for online threat to shoot black people

Another white Missouri man was arrested on Wednesday after posting an online threat of violence against black people, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

Northwest Missouri State Unversity freshman Connor B. Stottlemyre was taken to jail on suspicion of making a terrorist threat after in connection to a post stating, “I’m gonna shoot any black people tomorrow, so be ready.” He had not been charged as of Wednesday evening.

The post was reported to authorities by another NMSU student who saw it on the Yik Yak phone app. The app allows users to post threads that can be seen within a five-mile radius.

Stottlemyre is 19, the same age as Hunter Park, who was arrested earlier in the day for using the same app to state, “I’m going to stand my ground tomorrow and shoot every black person I see.”

Something is rotten in the state of Missouri

Peachs
Peachs

@Kamchak that is why he is at Northwest Mo and not the U of Mo. 

LordHelpUs
LordHelpUs

@DownInAlbany  LOL!  Fox (the source of the 'report') is having to work hard and r-e-a-c-h to keep the low-infos hopeful on this...the definition of 'expanding' is a hoot.

Peachs
Peachs

@DownInAlbany you cannot win an national election straight up, you always got to have an edge, the Supreme Court, 9/11, failed effort of O being a foreigner and now this, do you ever just put what you believe out there and go with it, didn't think so. 

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

Great comedy. Just throwing stuff at a wall and hoping it sticks.

@td1234 @Paul42

Why do you condemn Pres Obama as not responding directly to Putin yet you give a pass, or remain silent, with Trump?

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td1234

td1234 17 minutes ago

@Paul42 Because Obama is philosophically evil and Trump is not.

Next question

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

Has anyone heard from Trump investigators that he sent to Hawaii?

td1234
td1234

Next Governor of Missouri. Another Blue state is about to fall. 


"Missouri Lt. Governor Peter Kinder says we’re seeing the “fruits of decades of Leftist control” play out at the University of Missouri this week."


Missouri, Yale, and America’s Cultural Revolution

According to the New York Times, the university could have lost more than $1 million had it forfeited its football game with Brigham Young University on Saturday.

The precedent set here is monumental. Any student protester who can convince his college’s football or basketball team to threaten a strike will be able to bring administrators to their knees even more quickly than usual."

Peachs
Peachs

@td1234 why stop at Yale or some weak athletic program, this is going to effect the SEC who has made a killing off these players, some of those school exist because of football, the economies in those states are so weak and the apathy for education even weaker that they think this is the sole reason they exist and that is control by blacks. 

Peachs
Peachs

@td1234 all the Democrats will need is a threaten boycott by the football players and they will have Missouri eating out of their hands we own that place now..

td1234
td1234

@Paul42 Most conservatives are voting for Cruz or Carson. Trump support is coming from moderates and blue collar working class conservatives. 

Peachs
Peachs

@DownInAlbany @CommonSenseisntCommon @td1234 @Paul42 the point is you are not conservative or really Christian, just like you throw label at us you half bake, you put self labels on your movement that are wish list.  Paul was right, he is the only real conservative and the one Christian is playing Jv.

Paul42
Paul42

@td1234

You sure skeedaddled away from trying to explain conservative inconsistency with their love affair with their Republican candidate, who's copying Pres Obama's policies in so many ways.

The hair.  It's gotta be the hair.

Or the wives.  Yeah, I'll bet that's it.  Old, white, male conservatives like his wife better.

Paul42
Paul42

@CommonSenseisntCommon @td1234 @Paul42

2 of the 3 would likely have been Birchers.

Real conservatives blew off the Birchers as whacko-birds.

Today's updated Birchers call themselves 'real conservatives."


William F Buckley Jr would have eviscerated them.

Peachs
Peachs

@CommonSenseisntCommon @DownInAlbany @td1234 @Paul42 they want the country to tighten its belt or say they do in areas they are not interested in, and then spend money like it is on fire, my parents generation must be turning in their graves.  It all started when you started electing movie stars and divorcees as you candidates. 

Peachs
Peachs

@Paul42 @td1234 I wish someone would explain what they call Trump...  The most married man I can see is Obama, but that doesn't score points on the right anymore, they gone totally money worshipers, Hollywood and reality shows, now days.