Dems ready to slip Trump albatross around GOP necks

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Prognosticator Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight has long been dismissive of Donald Trump’s chances to win the GOP nomination, but that’s changing and fast. In fact, Silver is now talking about Trump’s potential as a catalyst for a party realignment of historic proportions.

Democrats are preparing to pounce on that opportunity.

Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg has just released a major report attempting to identify the fractures within the Republican Party and what campaign themes might allow Democrats across the nation to woo moderate Republicans away from the GOP come November. “It’s mind-boggling,” Greenberg told Politico. “They’re considered illegitimate within the Republican Party, and no one is speaking to them.” The potential for a major shift is much greater if Trump is the nominee, Greenberg reports.

If Trump is indeed the winner of the GOP primaries, I expect we’ll see a lot of ads like this one, released by U.S. Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, the Democrat seeking to unseat Sen. John McCain in Arizona:

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Citizen-of-the-World
Citizen-of-the-World

Whoa. Great ad! 


If it wasn't apparent to voters that McCain had sold his soul to the partisan devil back in '08 with the selection of Sarah "The Poser" Palin as his running mate, it should be apparent now. 

Peachs
Peachs

I think he is too old to serve.

Corey
Corey

Correct me if I'm wrong. Build a wall and stop people who are Islamic (whether they be doctors, lawyers, businessmen, professors and engineers) from entering the country and America will be great again? Seriously folks, a Trump presidency will usher in a military coup. Trump will give an unlawful order to his generals and they have no obligation a carry out an unlawful order. They will remove him from office. Don't think it can happen? Ordering the military to kill the families of terrorists is against the law. Think about some of Trump's promises.

Peachs
Peachs

And we talk about a brand name. You put Trump in as president and the American brand is down the drain.

But that doesn't affect 99% of America. Most Americans have not participated in the American brand in such a long time that they are indifferent about it.

Michael2255
Michael2255

@Corey A coup might interfere with defense contractors profiteering.  Generals will not interfere with defense contractors budgets.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

The Republican Party vision for America  and for our world (even if some Republicans pull out for a 3rd party)  is the opposite vision of that of the Democratic Party.


Vote for personalities, or vote for the trajectory which you want for this nation and this planet.  Choose wisely.

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

What do you think is the "tremble" factor for Hillary knowing that if she does not win, the Republican led Justice Department will prosecute her lawless email fiasco?

Talk about albatroos. 

OldEngineer
OldEngineer

@JohnnyReb I wonder how long it will take to indict Trump for fraud in the Trump University scandal. See? Everyone gets to play!

ptcrunner
ptcrunner

@JohnnyReb What's in the e-mails that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Hillary belongs in jail? There's nothing to the e-mails. There's nothing to Benghazi. There's nothing to Whitewater. This is manufactured crap that you mindlessly buy from brainless, untalented snake oil salesmen. Maybe for once, read the facts and think for yourself. 

TBS
TBS

Much less than your own tremble factor stemming from the prospect of HC winning the WH

Michael2255
Michael2255

@JohnnyReb If the R's win they will forget Hillary existed just like every new administration.

straker
straker

The United States of America seems to be coming less and less united with each passing year.

Don't be surprised if, in the not too distant future, you hear serious talk about our country splitting into a number of countries.

Won't happen, you say?

Well, look at Trump supporters, in the millions, and Sanders supporters, also in the millions. They are miles apart and, to an outside observer, don't even seem to live in the same country.

Throw in all the huge divisions on abortion, gay rights, immigration and gun control, just to mention a few of our huge differences, and then tell me we will always be a "united" country.

Peachs
Peachs

I think no doubt the Republican Party will break up. They have no clue who they really are. Half of them are lying to themselves and trying not to own their real identity, but then turn around and vote for Trump.

ByteMe
ByteMe

@straker Nah.  We've always had our differences. We have very short-lived periods of comity followed by lots of angst and political division.  It's our way.  It's also our strength that we have these tests of ideas in the marketplace for people to vote on.

Peachs
Peachs

And cable news which mimics the talkshows, they've seen their success and now do exactly the kind of yellow dog journalism that get ratings. They are a lot like these mega-churches, instead of raising the bar to educate people, they lowered the bar to be more receptive to the customer. Like a woman raising her skirt line.

Peachs
Peachs

This is very similar to the early 20th century politics.

Corey
Corey

@straker Thank talk radio. It is the greatest factor.

ptcrunner
ptcrunner

@straker The right-wing noise machine created this division, more intensely in the past 35 years. The other side has simply reacted to the bullies on the right. 

Michael2255
Michael2255

@straker There are not huge divisions just loudmouths with access to a lot of communications media. There's never going to be a headline that says "Nothing bad happened today, People went to work then went home.

ByteMe
ByteMe

@Corey William Randolph Hearst says "Hi" from the '50's.

Peachs
Peachs

John Oliver went off on Trump for about 30 minutes last night show. If you get a chance watch it. It is a total prosecution of who this guy really is.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

  As a hard core partisan you see things like, $15 minimum wage, gun control, free college, etc. as just normal every day issues.

In the middle? If those are, as you seem to be saying "extreme" positions, I have to ask if you've actually a) seen the polling on them, and b) really understand how the Democrats actually running for President have articulated their stands on those three issues?

For starters, Hils doesn't support the $15/hour wage, but rather $12... and like Bernie, it would be phased in over the course of years, not imposed overnight (if she had a Dem majority in the House and Senate to pass it!)

Gun control? you really think either of those candidates take "extreme" positions there? Certainly not in comparison to where most of the country is.

and that "Free college" isn't free at all under Hils; for Bernie, it would be making such tuition available for students who qualify for admission to publicly funded universities, and that's nothing this country hasn't seen before. (and that's probably the most "extreme" position out there.)

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@ByteMe @Visual_Cortex 

not "free college for all."

I think Bernie's articulated this a bit better as a simple acceptance of a public obligation to educate citizens beyond K-12; I think most realize that simply having a high school diploma--which is obviously a major accomplishment for a lot of kids!--is not sufficient to provide the base for a decent standard of living in the workforce any more.

ByteMe
ByteMe

@Visual_Cortex I think that we need a better handle on student debt, not "free college for all."  I think we need a $15/hr minimum wage (because once everyone is paying the same minimum rate for labor, there's no advantage for any business).  I think we need to get weapons of mass death off the streets once and for all.  I think we need more inspectors for our ports and airports to prevent a dirty bomb from being smuggled into our country in a container like they show every week on NCIS:LA.

Peachs
Peachs

Looking for low wages is really what started this illegal immigration problem in the first place

Peachs
Peachs

The problem trade schools is they are not geared to the economy, in the direction the country is going. You train a kid in fixing a car, and then the automobile business, goes out of business, replaced by a better type of transportation, you have an obsolete trade school.

Peachs
Peachs

It's not that simple, you have to encourage creativity I think we should be studying the California formula for economic recovery more.

ByteMe
ByteMe

@Visual_Cortex I would be fine with free public (NOT private) trade school for all, except there aren't enough infrastructure and manufacturing jobs out there for that to work.  So there has to be a way to increase demand for those jobs before increasing supply.

JKToole
JKToole

@ByteMe @Visual_Cortex This is EXACTLY what our education system was built upon - create a force of workers, not thinkers. We've been trying to correct it ever since.

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

Kudos to PaulinNH & JKtoole. We hope you enjoyed the roast troll you had last night, and come back & dine with us often.

ByteMe
ByteMe

@tireOfIt Well, he'll end up in the same place as Rudy anyway and with less makeup.

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

@tireOfIt a full throated con with obamacare crammed down their throats.

whoa, there's 6 months of therapy in there (and no not tickle therapy), and it probably wouldn't work

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

As you can tell, VC, I'm not a big fan of digby the Dem apologist.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Donnie_Pinko 

And I've been a yuuge fan of hers for over a decade. So there ya are. 

Hey, are you ok with Sam Seder, or do you think he's basically a Democrat tool as well?

And how about Atrios?

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@Visual_Cortex @Donnie_Pinko 

I've enjoyed many of her posts as well. But still, in the end, she is a Dem apologist and enabler. And she's in good company, too. There are many names I would also include in that list, some of them people I admire, such as Noam Chomsky, Cornell West. Admirable as their criticism of Democrats is, you can count on them to fall back on the same old lesser evil rationale when election time rolls around.

As for Sam Seder, of course he's a Dem apologist. I wouldn't use the word 'tool', but he falls under the same category as the above names, otherwise he wouldn't be able to maintain his position. 


Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Donnie_Pinko @Visual_Cortex 

Ok, gotcha.

I had to chuckle just a bit at this though:

otherwise he wouldn't be able to maintain his position. 

Given what a hardscrabble little operation he's got going there, this might be worth IM'ing to him this afternoon just to hear the reaction.

(BTW, did you know that Seder actually voted for Nader in 2000? and is unapologetic about it?)

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@Visual_Cortex @Donnie_Pinko 

I did not know that, no. 

Re: Seder, I must credit him with being right on the money about the potential of the Donald Trump candidacy from the very beginning. I remember hearing him say when Trump announced, while the announcement drew mostly snickers from others, that he could go very far and that it would be a serious mistake to underestimate him.

That prediction has obviously been more than borne out.