The Purple Prince, may he rest in peace

After Thursday’s shocking news, there wasn’t much doubt about where we’d go to close out the week.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Purple Prince of Minneapolis at his most iconic:

 

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St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

"Prince was the meanest guitar player we've ever seen"

--Eddie Vetter last night speaking for Pearl Jam

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

"What's it like to be the best guitar player in the world?"

"I don't know, ask Prince" -- Eric Clapton

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@St Simons he-ne-ha @Penses

Why don't you go hit up your bong again and think more delusional thoughts? In case you didn't know it, Prince has never made the top ten greatest guitarists on anyone's list I know of. Indeed, he didn't even make RS top 100 list at first. So he played a number of instruments. So has McCartney, Rundgren and many others. He was very talented, as are a number of people. But, as I've already said, he was no Hendrix. Or Page. Or Clapton. He is a better version of Rundgren - no more, no less.

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

Too many celebrities die in media pieces rather than peace.

RIPeace, Prince. 

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"This is black 9/11."  - Dave Chappelle


WHAT THE....??? And people wonder why there is a race problem in America.

Kamchak
Kamchak

Death from drug use?

Elvis says, "What?"

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Kamchak

Nobody talks about that guy any more. He was completely forgotten in due course!

irishmafia1457
irishmafia1457

LOL As usual Liberals screaming praise for another  worthless entertainment "hero", no doubt soon to discover it was a drug OD, while ignoring the real heroes walking among  us, the veterans who sacrificed their time and often their bodies to give you the safety and security to spend your money idolizing some dude that will be completely forgotten in due course. 

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Penses

It's the Daily Mail and it's an unnamed source.

I'd trust this about as far as I could throw it.

TBS
TBS

Sky / St Simons

Little more to that Neil Young quote from earlier.




"Even Neil got in on the act when he talked to Guitar Worldproclaiming of his lead playing: “It sucks! It’s just a f---ing racket. I get totally lost when I’m playing guitar. I’ll just play a melody over and over again and change the tone, bend a string, do all that. I’m totally engrossed in what I’m doing. At one with it. But I suck. I’ve heard myself.”

But then in the same interview, and in true Neil Young fashion, he smacked the nail right on the head. He explained that his guitar playing was not just about him. “I have melodies, and I have a sense of rhythm and drive. But it’s not about me, anyway – it’s about the whole band. It’s about everybody being there at once. When I play I’m listening for everything, trying to drive it all with my guitar. My guitar is the whole f---ing band.”



http://www.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Battle-of-the-Fans/en-us/neil-young-guitar-god-slob-0717-2012.aspx


TBS
TBS

So what if we're controllin' all the oil,
Is it worth a child dying 4? (is it worth it?)
If long life is what we all live 4
Then long life will come 2 pass
Anything is better than the picture of the child
In a cloud of gas
And u think u got it bad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7FffaOqqYA

Mick11
Mick11

Thanks jay!  Never saw the whole video before, very cool.


In 1984, I was at TRACEN orlando getting my quartermaster rating with the Navy and went to see purple rain at 21st century theatre which had leather lounge chairs and served pizza, subs and beer!  Prince and appolonia blew me away-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leRTkTBbcac

TBS
TBS

"As you may remember, he began bubbling up without a lot of advance fanfare. There was just this vague knowledge of this new guy on the scene called Prince. And then, of course, we all got our world rocked when “Purple Rain” showed up at the theaters. Even today, I’m struggling to try and emulate that guitar introduction to “When Doves Cry.” It’s just a testament to his extraordinary technique."

Billy Gibbons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/04/22/defying-description-zz-tops-billy-gibbons-on-prince-the-sensational-guitarist/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MpHtwa8YGBU

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

I just posted the following link on the last thread in response to a post Peaches made.


It occurred to me, thereafter, that I should also post my link here.  I may be wrong, but I suspect the older Prince would not have disagreed too much with my thoughts, here.  I saw him last night in an earlier Tavis Smiley interview.  The second part of that interview with Prince is coming up on Tavis' show on Monday.


https://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/puritanism-sexuality-and-the-work-ethic/

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

‘The Color Purple’ Cast’s Powerful Prince Rendition Will Choke You UpThe audience joined them in singing the music icon’s smash hit “Purple Rain.”

The audience joined the cast of Broadway musical “The Color Purple” in a moving tribute to musical legend Prince on Thursday night. 

Singer Jennifer Hudson, who plays Shug Avery, thanked the crowd for being there.

“I did not expect to have to speak on tonight but God has his way,” she told the audience. “As we all know, today we lost a legend. He was a good friend of mine, Prince, he was dear to all of us.”

Hudson recalled how Prince invited her and the rest of the musical’s cast not long ago to an event while he was writing his book.

“We want to keep him alive today with this song,” Hudson added, and asked the crowd to join in celebrating his life and legacy.


https://youtu.be/W6KUTL0PXl0


skydog12
skydog12

@DebbieDoRight

I wish I could triple like that one.


A good example of what I was talking about below Penses. There are a million great singers out there, but SOUL is what separates the truly great ones from the rest.

Soul can`t be faked or bought...you is or you ain`t.

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@Visual_Cortex @Penses

And got off the drugs. SRV was perhaps the quitarist, technically speaking, Jimi might have become. Or maybe he would have gone in Jeff Beck's direction. But he would never have done Pop, IMO. He was a much better song writer than Prince (which is the same knock against SRV and many other talented musicians). The greatest songs are melodic. That's why the Beatles were so big. And the Rolling Stones. And the Eagles. And Led Zepplin. And Fleetwood Mac with Nicks and Buckingham. Tom Petty, like Lennon, is not a great musician. But he understands melody well. Even the highly technical Jeff Beck is melodic where others like him (jazz rock quitarists) are not. Many of Princes songs are melodic in patches, but not through and through. His grossly overt sexuality, like Madonna's, did not make his (or her) songs great. But he did have a great deal of musical talent.


What makes a musical artist truly great? Technical skill, innovativeness, song writing ability, longevity, the ability to evolve over time, a broad spectrum of styles, and covering another artist's song so well it is no longer his. The more one has of these characteristics, the greater he is.


skydog12
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@Penses @Visual_Cortex

Technically speaking........SRV could not hold a guitar candle to Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson and many classical and jazz guitarist, but technical is just a portion of the "great" title.

The biggest factor is SOULFUL, which came from the Blues.

Soul can`t be learned, you either have it or you don`t.

And all great tunes don`t have to be melodic. If that were true, Frank Zappa would have been just OK. 

skydog12
skydog12

@Penses @Visual_Cortex


Tom Petty and John Lennon not great musicians?


What instrument do you play proficiently? Got a clip, we will see how you stack up?


You are in a alternate universe. Those 2 were 2 of the best rock musicians of our life times.

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@skydog12 @Penses @Visual_Cortex

You don't know what you're talking about. Here's what his peers had to say about SRV:


https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Stevie_Ray_Vaughan


I am a big EJ and Satriani fan, but you'd have to pretty dumb to think he wasn't a master of the electric guitar. EJ has said that SRV was very much like Hendrix in the power and intensity of his playing and that he loved to watch him play. No small compliment. And that was what I was getting at. Hendrix was very uneven and unpolished in his playing and SRV might have represented his skill had he lived and gotten off the drugs.


Frank Zappa never wrote any truly great songs. Great songs are covered by others - a LOT. 

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@skydog12 @Penses @Visual_Cortex

Again, you don't know what you're talking about. I bet you didn't even know Eric Clapton played the lead on Harrison's "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" because George didn't feel he had the chops to play it well. I bet you didn't know that Billy Joel has said that Elton John's playing made him feel like an amateur. And I guess you imagine Neil Young is a great guitarist. 


You don't have to be a great musician to be a great songwriter and, since songs are the biggest determinant of greatness, one can be a great artist without being a great musician.  

Corey
Corey

@Penses @skydog12 @Visual_Cortex At nineteen Prince wrote, and played every instrument on his first album and also produced it. The man played over fifty instruments.

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@BuckeyeGa @Penses @Visual_Cortex

Many people have been better songwriters than Prince. For example, Hall and Oates (who wrote a lot of hits), said that it is impossible to comprehend the volume of great songs written by the Beatles. MJ understood that and bought the rights to many of their songs. By better songwriting, I don't mean writing a lot of songs. I mean writing a lot of great songs. Frank Zappa, mentioned below, wrote a lot of songs. But you don't see them being covered much, do you? I love SRV's playing, but he was a mediocre song writer. He was a great musician, but not a great artist (in the all important sense of creating great songs). Classical musicians are great, but they don't write songs. It's the quality of songs that matter most.

skydog12
skydog12

@Penses @skydog12 @Visual_Cortex


I never said SRV wasn`t a master of the electric guitar. 

His soulful playing is what made him great, not his technical proficiency.


"Zappa never wrote any great songs."


Like I said you are in an alternate universe, but I already knew that.



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@skydog12 @Penses @Visual_Cortex

ROFL. I love how you just blow by the remarks of very notable musicians I provided a link to, only to repeat your inane claim. SRV was very technically sound. Was he as proficient as EJ? No. But who really is? Hendrix would have sounded like SRV had he lived and gotten off the drugs, not EJ.

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@skydog12 @Penses @Visual_Cortex

Since you onviously didn't read the comments on SRV by his peers, I'll quote Vai:


His playing reached out to you. He wasn't so concerned with technique and flash, but at the same time, he had it by the truckload. He never let technique rule his heart; he always played directly what was on his mind. You can hear a lot of his influences in his playing, but by the same token, he rolled it into one unique guy. He was one of the few musicians who could really pick a lane and drive.

You can see his legacy in the inspired guitar playing in the world. It definitively had its impact. Sometimes players come along that are just so stunningly technical that they dazzle, and then you have players that come along that with their musicianship, they're great songwriters, and they pretty much inspire a person by their sense of melody. But Stevie Ray Vaughan could roll it all into a very well-balanced package.


I don't get any sense from this that Vai would have said SRV "couldn't hold a candle to Satriani or EJ". He would laugh at you.

skydog12
skydog12

@Penses @skydog12 @Visual_Cortex


My point exactly.

Steve Vai`s is a scale playing shredder who plays with very little soul. His opinion is of very little value to soulful guitar playing.

Again, our "greatest" tag is all different based on our individual influences.


Ted Nugent is another shredder with very little soul. If that`s what you are into, go for it.


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@skydog12 @Penses @Visual_Cortex

ROFL. Geez, dude...do you have any opinion that might be called informed? From Guitar Gear:


In the latest issue of Guitar World, Neil Young was quoted saying (when it comes to his guitar playing), “I suck. I’veheard myself!” That made me laugh when I read this, but it also got me thinking. From a purely technical standpoint, I will agree 100% with him. But despite that, I still love the way he plays, and have always loved his sound, and for the very simple reason that his playing is completely honest.


Neil himself thinks he sucks, but you think he's great. Gotcha.


Don't get me wrong: I love CG and DBTR other of his songs. He is a good songwriter. 

skydog12
skydog12

@Penses @skydog12 @Visual_Cortex


Yes, I think Neil Young is a great guitarist and song writer and singer.


Your rabbit hole is getting too deep for me. I`m not into ratings and rankings or what they say, drink or smoke. I don`t care what they look like either.

I`m there for the music only.

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@skydog12 @Penses @Visual_Cortex

ROFL. No, it didn't Einstein. For example, Jazz came from classically trained Mulattoes. Folk and Bluegrass came from European musical traditions. All musicians borrow from other musicians and genres. Steeley Dan fused Pop and Rock. Beck and others have fused Rock and Jazz. Rockabilly fused folk and Rock and Blues.

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

@Penses @skydog12 @Visual_Cortex stop typing. really. You're crapping on a tribute thread of one of the world's greatest musicians & composers. That just died. Stop it.

The Freudian reasons you feel the need to do this must be endless. 

And every musician that reads this is laughing at you, if they bother to read it.

TBS
TBS

By no coincidence he didn't answer sky's question about did he play.

But told someone else they were throwing peanuts from the peanut gallery

On the other hand he may have tried the flute a time or ten

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@TBS

I played drums for a number of years and was in a couple of rock bands in HS. I learned how to play the classical guitar in college while I took some music theory courses.

But that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is a philosophical one: how do we rationally rate this or that thing? I see you, as usual, have contributed nothing to the discussion.

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@Penses @Visual_Cortex - Very few artists have ever had such a great send off as some of the "greats".

*J Brown

*Bowie

*Lennon

*Elvis

*M Jackson

Whitney

*and now Prince, (lights were turned "purple" in his honor all over the world).

What makes a great musician does not necessarily make one a beloved artist.  Prince, like the names of the artists above, was loved; and he will be remembered maybe more so than a technically gifted musician.  

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

@Penses @BuckeyeGa @Visual_Cortex MJ bought the rights to the Beatles songs because they get played a lot hence would make him a lot of money.   And based on that comparison you are not comprehending the volume of great songs that Prince wrote for himself and others.   And that's ok.  Millions of people do comprehend and that is being shown by their reaction to Prince's death.

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@BuckeyeGa @Penses @Visual_Cortex


Oh yeah? Then why did he say this:


“You can’t put a price on a Picasso…you can’t put a price on these songs, there’s no value on them. They’re the best songs that have ever been written. IT’S MY CATALOGUE.”


It was McCartney, ironically, who taught him he could by the rights to songs (like he bought the rights to Buddy Holly's songs). Of course MJ did it as an investment. Did you imagine he'd just toss his money into the sea?


Prince wrote some good songs. But so have a lot of people. He was a far better musician than he was a song writer. That's no slight to say that, as many people fall into that category. Don't, out of an emotional sense of loss, make him greater than he actually was (and as many are doing). THAT'S my point in all of this. Prince was NOT, as Watt has said, the last greatest living performer. That's BS and I will call people on that all the time.

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

@Penses @BuckeyeGa @Visual_Cortex  You didn't disprove what I said..those songs get played a lot so it's a good investment. I know Paul McCartney told MJ about the songs and MJ kept them because as I said they would make them a lot of money. No one emotional lol..I and many others felt that way about Prince before he died...Prince was a great writer and musician...As I said he catalogue speaks for itself.  there are many examples i.e. Sinead O'Connor arguably biggest hit was written by Prince.if you can't recognize greatness it's ok.

skydog12
skydog12

@Penses @skydog12 @Visual_Cortex


Until you understand Soul and the Blues you are just yaping.


Good music is not a contest like American Idol.

Lead Belly, Howlin Wolf, Muddy, Robert Johnson, and the rest of the Blues Masters are the true artist.

Without them there would not be a Prince, Joe Satiani, or SRV.

Kamchak
Kamchak

@Penses 

Jazz came from classically trained Mulattoes.

Some of it yes, but certainly not all.

 

TBS
TBS

You play and have done so for years

Thanks for your opinions and insights

Non players (I'm one) who are strictly relying on who said this or that should be taken with a grain of salt. He wanted your attention so he kept on and on.

Rock on skydog

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

@Penses @Visual_Cortex To each their own but no one was a much better song writer than Prince. Prince catalog (songs performed by him  and others) and influence speaks for itself.

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@BuckeyeGa @Penses @Visual_Cortex

To me, Prince was a better version of Todd Rundgren (who I've read he liked a lot in his early years)  - a multi-instrumental musician who was fiercely independent, highly experimental, wild and wrote a lot of songs. The fact that Prince initially disliked both the Beatles and Led Zeppelin speaks volumes about his own inability to perceive greatness (since you brought that idea up) and probably accounts for many of his songs not being that melodic. You see, those guys listened to everything (as did Hendrix) as they were developing, like sponges.


We can agree to disagree on his song writing greatness. His musical talent is unquestioned.