Gov. Deal knows what he ought to do on campus gun bill

(AP)

Gov. Nathan Deal says he still doesn’t know what he’ll do about House Bill 859, the bill awaiting his signature or veto that would allow concealed weapons to be carried on college campuses in Georgia. And maybe he truly doesn’t.

However, by now he knows what he ought to do. He ought to veto it.

In fact, he has all but said so himself. As he pointed out last month in urging the Legislature to withdraw and amend the bill, HB 859 as passed allows guns to be carried not just into college classrooms but also into college disciplinary hearings and college administrative and faculty offices. It also allows them to be carried into campus day-care centers, and it gives campus officials no discretion to override or adjust the law to the needs of their campus.

Think about that. If you’re a college professor and an armed student marches into your office, demanding a changed grade, the law would give you no recourse or grounds to object. In fact, given the air of political intimidation surrounding this issue, it would probably be the complaining professor who would be disciplined in that scenario, not the armed student.

Would we allow that scenario to play out in any other setting, such at a private workplace? Would legislators, for example, be comfortable allowing a disgruntled constituent to show up armed at their office to complain? Most would not. A few might brag that it wouldn’t bother them, because they would have a handgun of their own should the situation demand, but that doesn’t seem a firm basis on which to base a civilization.

Let’s also look at it another way:

On Tuesday, a three-year-old toddler was accidentally shot and killed with a firearm in Paulding County. That same day in Henry County, a man shot and killed his wife and their six-year-old son, then killed himself.

Last month, a two-year-old in DeKalb County found a pistol in his mother’s purse and accidentally shot himself. In Gwinnett last month, a 12-year-old boy playing with a gun shot and killed himself. In another Gwinnett incident last month, a six-year-old was accidentally shot by a playmate at a neighborhood block party, but survived.

In January, a two-year-old from LaGrange was shot with her mother’s pistol. A Gwinnett County man that month shot and killed his two-year-old son, then killed himself. And in DeKalb that month, a 16-year-old accidentally shot and killed a 15-year-old friend with a gun they had been playing with.

In November, a two-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed himself in Acworth. Another was accidentally shot and killed in Butts County that month. In October, a two-year old in Cobb County shot and killed himself with his father’s pistol, and an eight-year-old girl was killed in a separate incident in Cobb that month when her mother’s gun fell to the floor and discharged.

None of those killings is directly related to the issue of guns on campus. But all of them testify to the risk involved when firearms are introduced into places they should not be, and into hands that should not hold them. Advocates of “campus carry” would like us to assume that guns will be handled responsibly and safely, but the evidence is to the contrary. Furthermore, they have blocked every effort to legally require the high degree of responsibility that ought to come with gun ownership.

Again, Deal knows all that. He knows what he ought to do, what leadership and stewardship require of him. I just hope that he carries through with it.

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Trey Chaffin
Trey Chaffin

As a current college student, the only logical thing he should do it sign it. Make Georgia's schools safer. I can only hope the state I live in follows Georgia's lead.

Peter Guertin
Peter Guertin

Please, you cowards scream bloody murder whenever a new gun bill comes along. It's been how many years since the 'guns everywhere' law and the world has not ended, contrary to the rhetoric of you pansies.

Jenn Gardner
Jenn Gardner

The world has not ended, but it seems about once a month the news reports that another child has tragically died as the result of their parent's handgun being fully accessible to them.

Neal Towey
Neal Towey

If Nathan Deal doesn't sign the bill, he'll be blamed for every college student death from now on, and rightfully so.

Ross Olivia
Ross Olivia

Veto it! .... If you want to keep GA college education competing for the best elements (proefessors and students) in the academia and research, ... Top researchers and professors will not come to GA colleges neither parents of top students send them here knowing that guns on campus/ classrooms/ laboratories and computer centers are allowed,..., and top students will have second thoughts if the bill is signed. So Deal needs to VETO it!

Peter Guertin
Peter Guertin

You're assuming everyone is as cowardly as you.

Joseph Schriefer
Joseph Schriefer

^^^that. Besides, I'd rather be safer by being able to defend myself

Ross Olivia
Ross Olivia

Peter Guertin .... oh please, show your courage ... which in this case is stupidity.

James Lancaster
James Lancaster

Does this bill affect Nathan Deal's wallet? If the answer is no, he will sign it into law; if yes, he won't. Simple call to make really for a bought and paid for governor.

Joseph Schriefer
Joseph Schriefer

Of course Deal knows he ought to sign the bill, there is not a single rational, logical argument that can be made against doing so.

Chez Hockey
Chez Hockey

Keith Martin such a well thought out, cogent argument...

gotalife
gotalife

President Hillary Clinton will honor President Obama's great performance just to watch the rw heads explode. Good times.

Stephen Carlock
Stephen Carlock

So the bad guys are going to be scared it is against the law to take a gun on campus and leave it at home?

gotalife
gotalife

No scandal Obama beats reagan.

rimsky
rimsky

"Ronald Reagan brought forth an annual real GDP growth of 3.5%./////

Obama would have had 5% growth if he inherited what reagan inherited.

Only if Obama had a R Congress to cooperate with him like the Ds did with Reagan.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@rimsky


"Obama would have had 5% growth if he inherited what reagan inherited."


What planet are you living on, sir? Obama inherited a recession that had already bottomed out and ended a mere 6 to 8 months into his administration. He also inherited an economy prime for recovery with low interest rates. 


Contrast that with Reagan who had to deal with a Fed induced recession for 2 years 1981-1982 upon entering office and who was dealing with around 16% inflation/interest rates when he entered office. 


Do FACTS ever enter into your realm of thinking?

Steven Wilson
Steven Wilson

The 2nd amendment guarantees my right to arm myself as I see fit and to carry any firearm anywhere I want. If we want to be safe we should arm every citizen with assault rifles. They do a better job than handguns and are a better deterrent. If all citizens had assault rifles crime would go away. And those that wanted to commit crimes would be dealt with appropriately. There is a saying "peace through superior firepower" I always want to be armed better than the next person. Trump 2016!

td1234
td1234

"The rate that Americans own their homes fell in the first quarter to the third lowest on record, another indication that worsening finances as well as changing preferences since the Great Recession are altering behavior.

The Commerce Department reported that the ownership rate fell a tenth to a seasonally adjusted 63.6% in the first quarter, marking the third lowest figure since the 63.5% low in the second quarter of 2015. The ownership rate was 67.8% in the quarter when the U.S. entered recession.

The diminished interest, or ability, to own a home comes at a time when mortgage rates are low but house prices are climbing.

td1234
td1234

"Ronald Reagan brought forth an annual real GDP growth of 3.5%.

Barack Obama will be lucky to average a 1.55% GDP growth rate.

This ranks Obama as the fourth worst presidency on record.

Barack Obama will be the only U.S. president in history who did not deliver a single year of 3.0%+ economic growth.

According to Louis Woodhill, if the economy continues to perform below 2.67% GDP growth rate this year, President Barack Obama will leave office with the fourth worst economic record in US history.

Assuming 2.67% RGDP growth for 2016, Obama will leave office having produced an average of 1.55% growth. This would place his presidency fourth from the bottom of the list of 39*, above only those of Herbert Hoover (-5.65%), Andrew Johnson (-0.70%) and Theodore Roosevelt (1.41%)"

honested
honested

@td1234 

What was the GDP under Thomas Jefferson or James Madison....

Doesn't matter because it was a different time.

The best thing ronald ray-gun ever did was stop wasting oxygen.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@td1234


Empirically devastating facts. I knew the economy was bad under Obama- but even I didn't know it was that bad. I thought we were close to 2% real GDP growth under Obama. 

gotalife
gotalife

Bottom line, it is time for the gop to disband in congress and start a new party that are not rw Christian radical extremists. Period.

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

@gotalife

Enough with he rw Christian radical extremists, Getalife.

They don't fit your definition. They're voting for Trump.

Your perception of who they are is skewed.

gotalife
gotalife

He repeatedly called the House Freedom Caucus — the loose group of anti-establishment conservatives who are thought to have forced him out of the speakership — "knuckleheads" and "goofballs."

"I love all these knuckleheads talking about the party of Reagan," Boehner continued. "He would be the most moderate Republican elected today."

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/11526258/john-boehner-ted-cruz-republicans

Good stuff on the insurgent gop extremists.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

"the economy would have recovered more quickly without that nonsense" because, well, it's guaranteed that you have a recovery at X percent after the worst recession since the 1920s."- VC


And the empirical data suggests that the economy probably would have recovered just fine without various govt interventions. Let us examine the facts regarding  the worst Depression of all in 1929. 


After the 1929 stock market crash unemployment never reached double digits in the 12 months following the event. In fact unemployment peaked at 9% a 2 months after the crash and then dropped all the way until it fell to 6.3% in June of 1930. And that was when the feds made their first destructive move- Smoot Hawley. After that the downward trend in unemployment reversed itself and rose to double digits at 11.6% in November of 1930. 


An inexplicable money contraction of a third over the next few years was devastating. And that, sir, is all on the gubment. 


A  detailed economic analysis in 2004 concluded that gubment policies unnecessarily prolonged the Great Depression by several years- "New Deal policies and the Persistence of the Great Depression: A General Equilibrium Analysis". Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 1112, no. 4. Pages 779-816. Happy reading. 

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@PaulinNH @Doom Classical liberal


And I did not say that Smoot Hawley was the cause of the Great Depression. It was simply the first of several gubment actions of folly. The monetary contraction of a third when the economy was trying to rebuild was more devastating. As was the horrifying mismanagement of the economy under FDR's policies. 

td1234
td1234

@PaulinNH We have now a 25% real unemployment rate when you measure the rates now in the same terms as they were measured in 1929.

gotalife
gotalife

"Among other revelations, Ioffe's report divulged the existence of Mrs. Trump's half brother, whom Melania Trump's father, Victor Knavs, never acknowledged and whose existence Melania first denied to Ioffe. (Trump later said that she had "known about this for years" but had just misunderstood Ioffe's questioning.)" CBS

trump's dirt is dripping. Since trump said he will use Sander's attacks against her, she should make an ad on the gop attacks on trump.

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

Paul, Visual

Hey - "waiting for the economy to heal" was an awesome success after the Crash in 1929.  It only took 4 years to bottom out.

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It's interesting that Farnsworth's claim that all would have been fine if things had been allowed to run their course curiously dovetails with Doom Classical Liberal's views, or at least from what I gather. 

But what these optimists of creative destruction never explain is how the US political system - already strained after years of tumult over the failed foreign interventions and other troubles at home - would have coped with an all-out depression, with people in the millions left penniless and homeless.  Under such conditions it is not at all a given that the political structure would have survived. Their beloved capitalism might have met its maker right then and there if a full collapse had been allowed and we had seen the rise of a mass movement of the dispossessed taking over cities, like an Occupy Wall Street multiplied by a hundred and far, far more militant. 

In any case, it's significant that apparently the US ruling elites made the determination that the risks of that were far too great and finally passed the bailout.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

"Advocates of “campus carry” would like us to assume that guns will be handled responsibly and safely, but the evidence is to the contrary."


A handful of emotion based arguments regarding recent gun accidents does not  make a case for you. Numerous products and activities kill people and children every day. Bicycles, skateboards, ATVs, swimming pools, lake, river, and ocean recreation which drowns people, boating and car accidents, motorcycles, sky diving, hang gliding, and on and on and on.  Yet nobody is talking about banning these activities or products.


 Just last night 4 UGA girls up here died in a car accident  from what appears to be careless driving. And as tragic as that is people intuitively realize that these are the costs we must pay in order to live  as free people- tragic as it may be. Same with gun ownership. 

KUTGF
KUTGF

@Doom Classical liberal Okay I am just going to say this.  2 of those 4 girls were my neighbors.  I watched them grow up.  I will be watching their families grieve from across the street.  Why don't you leave them out of your trolling today and let their families and others who know them deal with their losses without you trying to score idiotic troll points like you know what caused their deaths. 

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@KUTGF @Doom Classical liberal


As I understand it their car drifted into the lane of oncoming traffic. In any event the point is that tragedies like this happen every day. And that people understand that these tragedies are a necessary price for the freedoms we enjoy. 


As for "idiotic trolling" I suggest you heed your own advice, sir. It seems to be all you do. 

KUTGF
KUTGF

@Doom Classical liberal @KUTGF The kind of asinine response I expect from you.  Thanks for your fake concern.  I'll be sure to pass it along. 

I won't say more because unlike you, I don't look at getting banned as an honor for the stupidity you post.

Doom Classical liberal
Doom Classical liberal

@KUTGF @Doom Classical liberal


There's nothing asinine about my response. That's just your baseless, shrill screaming response that we've come to expect from you. Its all ya have, really. 


Fake concern?- Who made you the arbiter of real and fake concern- God? Your melodrama and faux outrage are noted. 


" the stupidity you post"


Meh. Just more trolling.