Thank you, Gov. Deal, for sanity on ‘campus carry’

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My mom was always big on her children being polite and saying their “please and thank you’s”. So with Mother’s Day around the corner, and in Mom’s honor:

“Thank you, Governor Nathan Deal.” I’d bet a lot of Georgia mothers — and fathers — would like to thank you as well. Thank you for having the courage and wisdom to veto House Bill 859, which would have allowed the carrying of concealed weapons on Georgia college campuses, including classrooms and faculty offices.

The decision wasn’t easy, I’m sure. Deal is serving his second term and doesn’t have to run for re-election, but he does have things that he wants to accomplish, programs that he needs legislative support to enact. And he had already taken a lot of harsh criticism from fellow conservatives over his previous veto of so-called “religious freedom” legislation.

Vetoing a gun bill — even a gun bill overwhelmingly opposed by Georgia voters, according to an AJC poll — will make the rest of his time in office more difficult.  It has also made him the rhetorical target of some mighty angry Second Amendment defenders outraged that there might be places they cannot go with their 9mm security blankets.

As the pro-gun Georgia Carry put it, the governor “has defied the will of the overwhelming majority of the Georgia Legislature” and “has also denied a basic constitutional right to law-abiding citizens, 21 years old and older, to protect themselves against violent crime in their chosen daily lives.”

Let’s address that issue of constitutional protection once again, and head on: The claim that there’s a Second Amendment right to carry concealed weapons on a college campus is fraudulent. It is a political fabrication, with no basis in the Constitution or our nation’s history. Conservative Justice Antonin Scalia, writing in  “Heller v. D.C.,” the most pro-gun Supreme Court opinion in U.S. history, made that as clear as possible:

“Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on … laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.”

In his message explaining his veto, Deal summoned even more powerful voices to speak on his behalf. As Deal pointed out, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and four other leading men met in 1824 at the soon-to-open University of Virginia as the school’s Board of Visitors. During their meeting, they approved by-laws for student conduct, including a provision stating that “No student shall, within the precincts of the university, introduce, keep or use … weapons or arms of any kind, or gunpowder.”

As Deal wrote:

“The approval of these specific prohibitions relating to ‘campus carry’ by the principal author of the Declaration of Independence and the principal author of the United States Constitution should not only dispel any vestige of constitutional privilege but should illustrate that having college campuses free of weapons has great historical precedent.”

Nobody expects that the governor’s veto will resolve the issue. The gun lobby will be back , pushing the legislation once again, because that’s what it does. In recent years we have seen the biggest sustained rollback of gun laws in American history, at the local, state and national levels, yet the gun lobby thrives on the paranoid notion that gun owners have never been more endangered, and are somehow a single law or executive action away from being permanently disarmed.

To feed that paranoia, they propose ever more radical gun laws, proposals to allow guns into bars, churches, government buildings, college campuses. When more rational people protest, the  gun lobby cites their opposition as evidence of the broader anti-gun conspiracy that they are certain exists. Deal’s veto is already being woven into that narrative.

As Mom would say, all we can do is keep using the good sense that the good Lord gave us, and to keep fighting it.

 

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Rosita66
Rosita66

Thank you for this wonderful article.


Roseanne Cain

Norman Norton
Norman Norton

Thanks sounds like a Intellhent govenor !!!'

Scott Wrighter
Scott Wrighter

You realize this does nothing to stop illegal carry right? So only criminals will have guns, making students (who carry valuable electronics) low risk, high profit targets. It's just common sense.

John Cooper
John Cooper

Yes, thank you for not trusting the citizens of our state to be responsible.

Michael Hughes
Michael Hughes

I think it's a good decision by him. I support his decision

Susan Bell
Susan Bell

Thank you so much for being reasonable and for doing right for all Georgians.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

To TBS and To All Readers:


TBS, I was weighing what Republican ideological agenda had done to America's Middle class over almost 5 decades, not simply the financial market of the Bill Clinton administration.


You are trying to get me to fight your battle and I am fighting my own battle to help the public understand why this nation's middle class and poor are suffering and Bernie Sanders, like myself, and like Hillary Clinton, has diagnosed that problem on target.  That is why Bernie is drawing the crowds because he is speaking truth to them.  But he has stated that he will do everything in his power to not let the Republicans, especially under Trump, get control of our Government again.  Notice he chose to be a Democrat for good reason.  I simply think, like Hillary Clinton, that one has to know how to correctly solve this/these multifaceted  problems, not just diagnose them.  I believe Hillary is the person to do that and to solve our nation's divisions, in spite of the stereotypical thoughts given about her by unknowing people.  Donald Trump will only create even more divisions, not only in this nation but throughout the world.  That must be made obvious to us. I am trying to do my part in making it obvious.



foo2u
foo2u

"He knows more about Caterpillar tractors, than the people who work there"...

Drink that in. Drumpf really just said that. And they just drank it up with no hesitation.

I know more about caterpillar "heavy equipment" than he does... And I wouldn't even begin to try and say I "know more about them than the people who work there"...

Derp...

TBS
TBS

DDR

I'm not discounting all of the reasons / ideology that MES puts forth in terms of what led to 2008.

But no one who claims to have done a serious analysis could come away with the Ds fighting all of the laws, regs etc that played roles that lead to the financial crises

The reason they couldn't come away with that conclusion is because it wasn't the case. Ds were in the mix the entire way and Billy C gladly played a prominent role.

TBS
TBS

And please do check out that PBS doc

Great info

TBS
TBS

Lol

I think I have them both but I might need a tune up

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@TBS


"But no one who claims to have done a serious analysis could come away with the Ds fighting all of the laws, regs etc that played roles that lead to the financial crises,"

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Don't put words in my mouth that I never said, TBS.  That is not morally acceptable for you to do that.  I never said that.  You only wrote that I had said that in order to make a case that you never had, to start with, about my reasoning.  Shame on you for that intellectual deceit for the purpose of swaying negative opinion of my thinking, unjustly.

~moonbat_betty~
~moonbat_betty~

@TBS

TBS, I'm not sure why you don't do it, but it would benefit you to include who you are responding to in your posts.

Just a friendly suggestion...

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@TBS


My precise words to you, TBS:  "It is you who are assuming that I do not recognize the wrong-headed thinking of some Democrat CEOs, also.  I see that."

________________________


Those were my precise words to you, TBS, five hours ago, below, on this very thread.  I never even entered the debate you and Donnie were carrying on about Bill Clinton's policies, and I told you both that fact at the time, because that was not my focus. 


Again, shame on you for misrepresenting my words and thoughts. Intellectual deceit. Next time, I will be more aware of how you operate.

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

"Kasich said: "I have always said that the Lord has a purpose for me as he has for everyone." Apparently being President was not in the Lord's plan, although it would have saved Kasich a lot of effort if the Lord had told him earlier."

--a very funny writer laughing at us from Europe

foo2u
foo2u

The last "CEO" president we elected... Who liked to give everybody cute nicknames... How did that work out again?

~moonbat_betty~
~moonbat_betty~

This just in....

Hillary to replace Ben on the $100 bill.

gotalife
gotalife

Lets dodge the trump train wreck.



Victrinia Dixon
Victrinia Dixon

Some college students don't make the best decisions with their bodies, alcohol, academics and just choices in general due to age and maturity. I know a drunk student attempting to drive is a weapon but there may be opportunities for us to intervene by talking to them or taking the keys but a gun being used even with the best of intentions has less chance of being intercepted before mistakes, miscommunications and misjudgements are made. And that age group is very emotional so since there is no limits to bullets there is no limit to the devastation that can be caused. IMO

Bruce Hartman
Bruce Hartman

Since all the shooters that committed all the crimes would have never done it if it were a gun free zone. Gun free zones only stop good people from being able to protect themselves. Congratulations you just made more sheep for the lions.

NWGAL
NWGAL

Did anyone blame W for his father's mistakes as President?

foo2u
foo2u

No.. but his father should be blamed for perpetrating Dumbya on us...

Starik
Starik

@foo2u HW was a pretty good President, but not so good about raising his sons.

foo2u
foo2u

"He knows more about Caterpillar tractors, than the people who work there"... "He loves coal"...

foo2u
foo2u

Drumpf's in WV promising free stuff...

Not a single mention of how he'll pay for it...

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

Mary Elizabeth Sings, 

We got off on a tangent about the causes of the financial crisis, but actually that was more of a side issue to the point Thomas Frank was making. 

One of the main points of the piece centers on a statement by Barack Obama in which he speaks very dismissively of the lingering anger of Americans about a rigged economic system. 

In the quote, Obama very condescendingly lumped together racist fears of the immigrant other crossing the borders with insecurity and longing for defined benefits! 

[T]hat then feeds, both on the left and the right, a temptation to say, ‘If we could just go back to an era in which our borders were closed,’ or, ‘If we could just go back to a time when everybody had a defined-benefit plan,’ or ,‘We could just go back to a time when there wasn’t any immigrant that was taking my job, things would be OK.’

As Frank rightly points out, this is highly revealing that Obama sees these two things this way: 

Perhaps you noticed something peculiar about that statement, reader: that Obama has here lumped together two complaints that sound absurd and vaguely racist with a third impulse – a longing for defined-benefit pension plans – that is legitimate and quite real. As it happens, we know who wants to get everybody into a defined-benefit pension plan: organized labor, a big Democratic constituency for whom such plans, in which benefits do not fluctuate like stocks, are a common demand. Social security is another example of such a plan. 

So the point being, Democratic Party elites and leaders have an astonishingly condescending view of the very real sufferings of the people that are supposedly their own rank and file, namely working men and women. That disconnect explains a lot about things such as the rise of Bernie Sanders, the walloping the party keeps taking during mid-term elections, and other things. 

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@MaryElizabethSings @Donnie_Pinko 
Your mind is clearly closed to facts that don't suit your chosen narrative. And you're not alone. Most of the Democratic Party faithful are likewise closed minded. 

So be it. The Democratic Party will have a reckoning sooner or later. Would be a real pity for it to triumph this fall and take that as a sign of boundless strength. If that happens and the signs of trouble in the ranks are ignored, that could lead to an even bigger Humpty Dumpty fall for it later.

Starik
Starik

@Donnie_Pinko You're right about Hillary - more of the same.  Trump will be different at least, and I'd be interested in seeing how he'd work with Russia and China's leadership.  Maybe ISIS could be thoroughly destroyed, if all parties could look past ideology...

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@Donnie_Pinko @MaryElizabethSings


Name calling, only, above, Donnie.  And, I will remind you that it is the Republican Party, not the Democratic Party, that is having its "reckoning" right now, in the present.  There is a reason for that and I think I stated that reason correctly.


What will happen to the Democratic Party in the future is yet to be seen.  It is you, not I, who appears to be indulging in idle speculation (about what will happen to the Democratic Party in the future) based on your own particular ideological leanings.

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@MaryElizabethSings @Donnie_Pinko 

And, I will remind you that it is the Republican Party, not the Democratic Party, that is having its "reckoning" right now, in the presen

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You missed my point. I said that although the reckoning is already underway for the Democrats, too (what do you think the Bernie Sanders campaign has been about containing?), it could be potentially very easy for them to tell themselves that there is no reckoning, that that's only on the GOP side. But that would be a grave error.

With victory this fall very possible for the Democrats, the table is set for them to soar off into a great binge of hubris, and if they do, things could be very rough for them. They will have only put off their own day of reckoning.

TBS
TBS

As of today I wouldn't get too enthused how different he is going to be

Things could change but I don't think you are going to get that chance to see it

Starik
Starik

@TBS You're probably right, but November is a long time off. Winter is coming, as noted by Mr. Bookman.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@Donnie_Pinko


Again, I do not agree with that author's contention about the Democratic Party over the past 50 years.  The Republican Party has been responsible for not caring about what happened to the ordinary men and women of our nation - all was for the top CEOs - so that I reject your view, the author's view, and PaulinNH's view of the Democratic Party in America.  I say, "Thank God for the Democratic Party in America over the last half-century, especially, which has cared for civil rights, workers' rights, the middle class rights, and the rights of the poor for medical help, etc., and help through our government in which all could reach their individual potential."

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

TBS: "Ole Bill and a few of his Wall St buddies certainly played a significant role. He almost did the right thing but folded like a cheap suit".

Liked the link, I've booked it and will go back to give it some justice (viewing) later. About the Bill comment(s) though. Bill has always been a self serving self promoter who will always put himself first. However, when people say Hillary, she's always inevitably connected with Bill and his antics.

Bill is not running for the presidency -- HILLARY is.  She should be judged on HER merits and not Bills.  It must be frustrating for her when she tries to stand on her own as her own woman, and then someone inevitably brings up Bill and (the blue dress) and Bill and (Gennifer Flowers) and Bill and.......

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@DebbieDoRight


I agree with you, Debbie, on the autonomy of Hillary's race for President.  However, I must say that Donnie and TBS chose to only view the time span of the 1990s.  I was not referring to simply one decade, but instead I was referring to Republican ideological policy which was lead by top CEOs in our nation, including the Koch Brothers from the early 1970s when ALEC was stealthily formed, until the public was made aware of what this Republican ideological agenda (little government, cut taxes and public services) which bamboozled the American public for nearly 1/2 a century in which the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.  Neither Bill nor Hillary Clinton were in my focus.  (That was simply the focus of Donnie and TBS.  I will leave that battle to them to argue between themselves.  I'm not interested in that aspect.)  I am interested in what Republican CEOs have done to this nation in secret for 45 years, which goes deeper than the 2008 financial crisis. That policy change of selfishness going back for decades within the Republican Party is primarily what had created a shrinking middle class,- that along with the world's communication and technological advancement - coming into the 21st century  - of a different and smaller world, more connected to mutual needs than ever.  My battle is not the same battle as TBS/Donnie.


Read the Guardian article with an objective and unbiased viewpoint considering the focus I have given it.  Remember how the CEOs across our nation have influenced conservative agendas in state legislatures across this nation.  That deviousness goes all the way back to 1972 when ALEC was formed.

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@NWGAL 

o interesting that a wife is held into account for her husband's behavior by people who think men should control women's reproductive decision..

--

Oh get the eff out! Seriously? 

Their whole administration was billed as "Two for the price of one" for crying out loud. And it wasn't just rhetoric. It was how they actually governed.

You can't have it both ways. Hillary Clinton was indeed a partner to her husband at the highest policy level and therefore deserves to be judged for it accordingly.


TBS
TBS

No you don't

If you did see it you wouldn't have ignorantly put the entire crises on the backs of Republicans

Now if you want to revise your initial assertion then do so

But until that time your initial assertion is incorrect due to the fact you leave out too many facts

It is what it is

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@MaryElizabethSings @DebbieDoRight - " I am interested in what Republican CEOs have done to this nation in secret for 45 years, which goes deeper than the 2008 financial crisis. That policy change of selfishness going back for decades within the Republican Party is what has created a shrinking middle class"

Totally understand how you feel M.E. but in TBS' defense, he was more interested in how BOTH the republicans AND the democrats, (and of course there is a caveat in that sentence because not "all" did the destruction -- however the saying about evil prevailing because good men did nothing is surely relevant here), worked together to destroy the middle class.

Lena Horne, when asked if her daughters suffered any discrimination in Hollywood growing up, stated that in Hollywood the only color is green.

I'm gonna paraphrase that -- in politics, the only color is GREEN and the only winning philosophy is the philosophy of making more money.

There isn't any coincidence that 99% of the sitting congress, though they may  not have entered as such, are MILLIONAIRES.

They didn't become millionaires by making $250K/year.  They made their money by screwing over the "little guy." 

And of course, that caveat is added to the above sentence too.

TBS
TBS

I don't speak for Donnie but since DDR addressed me can you show where I held HC accountable for the action of BC?

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@DebbieDoRight @MaryElizabethSings 
My, what a damning indictment of a system. To that I'm tempted to say: couldn't have said it better myself. 

Which is why it's interesting that you apparently think it is so far superior to anything that could be offered as an alternative.

NWGAL
NWGAL

She was his closest advisor. He was the President. When she is President, he will be one of her advisers. Will you blame him for her decisions?

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@Donnie_Pinko @NWGAL - "Their whole administration was billed as "Two for the price of one" for crying out loud. And it wasn't just rhetoric. It was how they actually governed. "

At that time, what office did Hillary win in an election?  Who had voted for Hillary? Which Congress/Senate were following her directives or orders?  Your statement is nothing more than the vitriolic ramblings of a person who has no idea what the heck he is saying.

Do not blame HILLARY for BILL'S blunders. They are not siamese twins joined at the hip governing the nation.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@DebbieDoRight @MaryElizabethSings


Bottom line, Debbie.  Nothing in life is pure.  Thank God for the differences in, and not the similarities in, the Democratic and Republican Parties of the past 50 years.  That is what I mean by seeing in nuance.

TBS
TBS

Just R CEOs?

Not any of the powerbrokers who vote D and are CEOs, hedge fund managers, investment bankers etc

Really?

You are clowning yourself with that last comment

TBS
TBS

My point about Billy C and the derivative markets were a direct response to MES seemingly putting the 2008 collapse squarely on the back of Republicans. Nothing to do with HC

For anyone to say this they would have to be honestly mistaken and just ignorant of the facts or aware of the facts and being dishonest

Not for me to say which one but there are no other choices

I'm not giving the Rs a pass because the don't deserve one but I'm not going to hang out on Cloud 9 either and pretend it is just an R issue.

It is far from that and the facts show it to be true

There were Dems in Congress, Dems in the WH, advisors to these people all willing to play the games with Wall St

Now if you want to say there were more Ds fighting this bs than Rs that might be true however it still doesn't discount the direct role Ds played along with Rs that's helped lead to the 2008 debacle

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@TBS


It is you who are assuming that I do not recognize the wrong-headed thinking of some Democrat CEOs, also.  I see that.


However, I would remind you that 95% of the CEOs in ALEC and in the Koch Brothers "secret political society" are Republican CEOs and Republican legislators.  FACT.

DebbieDoRight
DebbieDoRight

@TBS - My apologies TBS. I think i committed the same error that I've accused others of doing. I saw what I thought you said, not what you actually said.  

Again, my apologies.

NWGAL
NWGAL

So interesting that a wife is held into account for her husband's behavior by people who think men should control women's reproductive decisions.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@TBS


TBS, I was weighing what Republican ideological agenda had done to America's Middle class over almost 5 decades, not simply the financial market of the Bill Clinton administration.


You are trying to get me to fight your battle and I am fighting my own battle to help the public understand why this nation's middle class and poor are suffering and Bernie Sanders, like myself, and like Hillary Clinton, has diagnosed that problem on target.  That is why Bernie is drawing the crowds because he is speaking truth to them.  But he has stated that he will do everything in his power to not let the Republicans, especially under Trump, get control of our Government again.  Notice he chose to be a Democrat for good reason.  I simply think, like Hillary Clinton, that one has to know how to correctly solve this/these multifaceted  problems, not just diagnose them.  I believe Hillary is the person to do that and to solve our nation's divisions, in spite of the stereotypical thoughts given about her by unknowing people.  Donald Trump will only create even more divisions, not only in this nation but throughout the world.  That must be made obvious to us. I am trying to do my part in making it obvious.