Public school takeover bid by Deal fails basic logic test

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Gov. Nathan Deal’s attempt to rewrite the state constitution to give him the authority to seize control of local public schools is based on two assumptions, both of which must be true to justify his power grab.

The first — that some local schools are failing their students — is obviously true, so obviously true that Deal rests his entire argument on it. Without exception, those schools deemed eligible for a state takeover are attempting to serve a student population struggling with the effects of entrenched poverty, which also means that education is their main hope for escaping that poverty. It’s the most important educational challenge facing not just Georgia but the country.

Again, there’s no real controversy about that part of the equation. It’s the second assumption upon which the whole proposal falters.

That assumption holds that the governor’s office knows how to fix the problem and will be able to do so, and I marvel at the lack of evidence offered in support of that claim. If they know how to turn such schools around, why aren’t they sharing that knowledge with local officials already? Where is the evidence that the governor’s office somehow has the expertise and commitment needed to run public schools, and to run them more efficiently and with better outcomes than locally elected officials?

Furthermore, why run them out of the governor’s office? We already have a state Department of Education, but Deal’s decision to run the state “Opportunity School District” out of his office suggests a serious lack of confidence in the agency designated to handle education. If Deal has no confidence in that state agency, maybe he ought to start his reform efforts closer to home.

Earlier this year, the state Department of Education bungled its online Milestone testing of public-school students across the state so badly that the results basically had to be ignored. And look at how the state performs the duties that already are its core responsibility. The food-stamps application system, run by the Division of Family and Children’s Services, has been so badly managed for years that federal officials had to intervene to force reform to meet even minimal service levels. The same is true of the state’s mental-health delivery system, which has been under federal supervision for the past six years because of its inability to deliver basic services.

One of the models cited by Deal is that of Tennessee’s Achievement School District, begun as a result of a 2010 state law. The goal in Tennessee was to move schools performing in the lowest 5 percent into the top quartile within five years, but a recent study by Vanderbilt University showed that so far, there has been no improvement at all in schools taken over by the state. In contrast, comparable struggling schools identified for reform by local districts did show measurable improvement.

Nonetheless, a state takeover of local schools has become the cool thing to do among Republicans, with GOP legislators in neighboring North Carolina also approving their own version of the program. As backers there note, they propose a takeover of just five schools, explaining that Tennessee law — which allows a takeover of as many as 30 schools — tried to do too much, too quickly.

If Deal’s proposal is approved by voters, he would be authorized to seize governance of as many as 100 schools.

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Lare
Lare

there is nothing in the referendum that limits the Governor's ultimate level of control.  indeed the Governor could take over Every school in the state if it was in his financial, er i mean public interest.   Among my fears is this goes down the road of "separate but equal" all over again especially according to the demographics of the currently identified failing schools.

Tony Brown
Tony Brown

AJC claims they are for education reform... Unless it's a republican and it goes through the teacher Union

2linepass
2linepass


 The best way to raise the education levels of students is to raise the income level of their parents. College education didn't used to be such a luxury. Get rid of the horrible situation of college debt loans that is only enriching the banks. Help the parents find jobs by building communities with real jobs available. Our levels of unemployment and no future jobs for graduates is a shame. Better paid parents can afford more enriching experiences and would have more time to help their children with their homework. Keep the educators in the communities in charge of the schools. They know how to solve the problems of their students better than those who have not been trained to educate. If you put those educators in schools with more affluent students they would seem to magically improve their teaching skills. It's absurd for Georgia to continue the tradition of poverty and blame the poor student performance on the teachers. Research is clear that the worst student scores come from impoverished neighborhoods.  

heezback
heezback

Let's look at some of the polling data here.  The big poll that we saw yesterday was the Quinnipiac poll, which shows that Clinton (42) and Trump (40) are running neck and neck.  This is at variance with the ABC poll showing Hillary up 11.  And then there's the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, which shows Hillary up five; the only good news for Clinton in that particular poll.


When one gets into the internals of the NBC/WSJ poll, it is devastating for Clinton.  Given the following internals, a significant measure; the meat and potatoes of legitimate polling data, one may wonder how Clinton can be leading in this poll.  Could be a sampling error, something not unusual, and often intentional.


Who's best, who will be best at changing Washington?  Trump 53; Hillary 23. 

Honest and straightforward:  Trump 41, Hillary 25

Dealing with the economy:  Trump 47, Hillary 37

Standing up for America:  Trump 45, Hillary 37

Who do you prefer dealing with "the gun issue":  Trump 43, Hillary 35

Terrorism and national security:  Trump 44, Hillary 39


Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

@heezback 

Same poll says "majority of Americans prefer someone else to Trump." 

And that by 51-31, Americans support a ban on semi-automatic weapons.

rimsky
rimsky

@heezback Only polls I watch is the big RNC donors. 

They all say no to Trump.

rimsky
rimsky

ongoing coup against Corbyn? /////

Are you following the on going coup attempt by RNC on legitimately elected Donald Trump?

rimsky
rimsky

The new sworn in President of Philippines is an enigma.  Got to wait and see what he does.

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

Rasmussen has Trump equaling Romney's metrics plus flipping 15% of Bernie's votes.

In other Rasmussen news, unicorns in Iceland have finally found the trickle down skittles everyone on earth has been looking for for 30 yrs. Animated disney movie forthcoming.

de plaaaane! de plaaaane!

honested
honested

@St Simons he-ne-ha 

Bears repeating the question, when is the last time rasmussen was within 20% of correct in the eventual result?

xxxzzz
xxxzzz

@St Simons he-ne-ha Crooked Hillary supporters don't seem to understand how much the Bernie voters distrust the establishment, of whom there is no bigger example than Crooked Hillary.  15% is plenty believable for Trump.  The problem for the reality TV star is convincing Republicans to vote for him instead of Johnson or "none of the above."

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

Paul, you following the ongoing coup against Corbyn? 

This guy's pretty much the worst kind of Blairite scumbag, but his feed seems to be a pretty good window into the action: 

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@PaulinNH @Donnie_Pinko 

Everything but the kitchen sink is being thrown at Corbyn right now

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Indeed. They're even ginning up the antisemitism thing again. 

But again, this is coming from the lowest Blairite scumbag here. 

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@Donnie_Pinko  Been following some of it - but on the Guardian minute-by-minute, not on Twitter.  It's depressing to me - the Labour Party is in one of its periodic bloodlettings but this is the worst I have ever seen - way worse than in the 80's when Roy Jenkins, Shirley Williams and the rest split off to form the Social Democrats.  Everything but the kitchen sink is being thrown at Corbyn right now. 

Now, more than ever, the UK needs a viable opposition to the government.  If Labour doesn't pull itself together they will evaporate.  They've already lost a huge number of seats in Scotland and are well on their way to irrelevancy in Wales (Northern Ireland has always been a special case).

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@Donnie_Pinko @PaulinNH  I did a quick Google on Hodges and saw he was anti-Ed Milliband and also endorsed Johnson over Livingstone - WTF

breckenridge
breckenridge

Hey TD..........let's discuss this big increase in Fox News viewers in the 25 to 40 age range.

Guess what? They're all Trump fanatics. And of course Fox News has become the Trump cheer leader station.

Once Trump is relegated to the dustbin of history (November) just watch those numbers take a huge tumble.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@TBS @breckenridge Correct


MSNBC etc are just as bad. I dont watch any of them.


The trouble is most Conservatives get thier news from only 1 source. Fox News.


Its why they are so misinformed. 

rimsky
rimsky

One thing I hate about Trump's dwindling poll numbers before the convention is the No Trump forces might win.

I want Trump in the general.  

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@rimsky They aren't getting rid of him now.


But you will see them start making moves designed to protect other Republicans down ballot.


They know the Presidency is lost at this point. But they can salvage the Senate.

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

@rimsky you are premature on the polls.

They are all over the place.

And as to "wanting" Trump, that would be a tactical error.

Any other Republican would be a "gentleman" with Hillary.

Not Trump, he will give her more than he receives from her.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Hedley_Lammar @rimsky

 But they can salvage the Senate.

Yep, and if they do, we simply will not have any replacement Justices. They won't confirm anyone. They'll be perfectly happy stonewalling until Their Guy gets in.

That's gonna be the new normal; mark my words.

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

@Hedley_Lammar @rimsky if we don't take the senate, we haven't done anything. The Whigs are scorching the earth before they go out. Told you they would go out with a bang.

breckenridge
breckenridge

More bad polling news for Donald Trump: Voters in a half-dozen Senate swing states (which are also largely presidential swing states) don't trust him to select the late Justice Antonin Scalia's replacement – and they largely don't support him for president.

Overall the issue continues to be a drag on Republicans in key states.

ww.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-28/poll-supreme-court-vacancy-dragging-donald-trump-republican-party-down

But it's an election year.  Blah blah blah blah......

Jan Marynowski
Jan Marynowski

Jay Bookman based on your comments we can safely say that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. You are a moron.

KUTGF
KUTGF

I think this has to win the Internet in clueless Whitesplainin. 

Also, white people, yeah, we do have a record of critique of your oppression,” she ranted. “You know how many of our ancestors fought in the Civil War to free your ancestors? Bloodiest war in the United States history was over what was right and it was largely white people fighting it.”  http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/this-white-lady-from-glenn-becks-tv-channel-is-mad-as-hell-about-the-very-black-bet-awards/

Just amazing.  Taking credit for white people doing the right thing while ignoring the white people on the other side and that the blacks were slaves.  I guess in her world, blacks should have fought for their own freedom (oh wait, many did). 


KUTGF
KUTGF

@Nick_Danger @KUTGF I am beginning to wonder is all the head shaking is going to cause concussions.  I am going with facepalms. 

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

whooa, i see Rasmussen has given up any semblance of being statistically sound, and is just gonna try and sell bias confirmation as their product or service, i guess

td1234
td1234

@St Simons he-ne-ha Or Rasmussen is the first set of polls in this election cycle that sample Likely voters instead of Registered voters and/or adults. 



TBS
TBS

@td1234 @St Simons he-ne-ha 

What was he polling in 2012 when he said Romney would win the election?

When all else fails there is always the skewed polling shtick.  You know that one first hand

td1234
td1234

@TBS Way to early to look at the polling. 


Besides that fact the polling in recent years should have taught us that their accuracy is questionable. There are polls that are saying Hillary are up by 12 to being tied to Trump leading. I personally do not believe any of them at this point in time. 

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@td1234 @St Simons he-ne-ha Nate Silver came out today saying Trump has about a 19 % chance


Given his sterling track record. And Rasmussen's awful one


Ill take his word for it.

Hedley_Lammar
Hedley_Lammar

@td1234 @TBS Way to early to look at the polling. 



Nah. Election isnt that far off.


And the polls are not questionable. When you take one poll. Like the Rasmussen outlier Yes.


But taken as a whole they are pretty damn dead on.


Nate Silver has not gotten 98 something states right out of 100 the last two cycles by accident.


He did it by weighing the polls and math.

OldEngineer
OldEngineer

@td1234 @TBS In the last election cycle, Nate Silver had time to write and publish a book that correctly called all 50 states. 

TBS
TBS

@td1234 @TBS 

So you didn't believe any of the polls you  posted on battle ground states and the national polls a month back when it appeared Trump was closing the gap?

Sure you didn't.  

xxxzzz
xxxzzz

@Hedley_Lammar @td1234 @TBS Anybody with a rudimentary knowledge of politics could have gotten 90 out of 100 right.  With a good knowledge about 96 out of 100.