When the decisive moment came, what did you do?

“Conservative die-hards may try to hold fast to the excuse that Hillary Clinton was, is, and always will be ‘worse,’ but the argument can’t be sustained indefinitely. Mrs. Clinton is not the apotheosis of evil. She may be a corner-cutter and a liar, and she’ll almost surely appoint liberals to the Supreme Court. But at least she’s not a sociopath.”

— Conservative columnist Bret Stephens, in the Wall Street Journal

“Where do we draw the line? I thought it would have been when he alleged that U.S. Sen. John McCain was not a war hero because he was caught. Or the countless other insults he’s proudly lobbed from behind the Republican presidential podium. For me, it is not enough to simply denounce his comments: He is unfit to serve our party and cannot lead this country…. I can’t look back in my life when I leave this job and know that I didn’t speak the truth when it was important to do so.”

— U.S. Rep. Richard Hanna, Republican of New York, explaining why he will vote for Hillary Clinton

“The straw that broke the camel’s back did not break the camel’s back.  It was the cumulative weight, the critical mass of straws, and the question is will there be a critical mass of these things.  Just when you think American politics has hit rock bottom Mr. Trump rises or stoops to the challenge of saying there is no rock bottom to American politics, and certainly attacking Gold Star parents is one of these things.”

— Conservative columnist George Will

“We are at a crossroads and have nominated a total narcissist — a misogynist — a bigot. This is a time when country has to take priority over political parties. Donald Trump cannot be elected president.”

— Sally Bradshaw, longtime GOP consultant and top aide to Jeb Bush, explaining her decision to leave the Republican Party and to vote for Hillary Clinton if her home state of Florida is in play.

“I’ve never felt as nauseated as I was when I saw his comments about Mrs. Khan.  Disgust doesn’t begin to cover the range of emotions I felt and I think a lot of people will feel.  I think it stems from lack of empathy, a lack of respect, a lack of basic decency, and I wonder what this moral pygmy on top of the ticket is doing to the country and will do as president.”

— David Brooks, conservative columnist for the New York Times

“It’s up to Donald Trump (whether to apologize to the Khans). You know, I love these families. Our party loves these families. And like I said before, they’re heroes, they’re cherished and, I mean, everything you can imagine. I mean, it’s just an unbelievable burden to carry and, you know, whatever sacrifices that I think I’ve made or whatever sacrifices you think you’ve made, I mean, there are crumbs on the floor compared to these families.”

— Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee

“Election year or not, the VFW will not tolerate anyone berating a Gold Star family member for exercising his or her right of speech or expression.”

— Brian Duffy, national commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars

“I’d like to say to Mr. and Mrs. Khan: Thank you for immigrating to America. We’re a better country because of you. And you are certainly right; your son was the best of America, and the memory of his sacrifice will make us a better nation — and he will never be forgotten.”

— U.S. Sen. John McCain, Republican of Arizona

“Elections belong to the people. It’s their decision. If they decide to turn their back on the fire and burn their behinds, then they will just have to sit on their blisters.”

— Abraham Lincoln, first Republican president of the United States of America

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James McCallion
James McCallion

Stop quoting idiots! George Will's wife worked for Walker, a good man but he lost get on board and come down from your high loft!

Dateline 2016
Dateline 2016

Donald Frumpf (his true family name before being changed) is German as was his grandfather, who ran brothels in Alaska before moving to Brooklyn. He attended a  military school as a teen and had 5 deferments to keep from going to Vietnam.   He loves Hitlers speeches so much he kept one of Hitlers books by his bedside according to his ex-wife Ivana.  He is bending over backwards to help Russia and they are doing the same for him.  He wonders aloud why the US can't use nuclear weapons and always wanted a fake purple heart.  He is the political equivalent to the ebola virus to Republicans and America.

Starik
Starik

@Dateline 2016 That's all largely true. It's worth noting that the 2-S deferment, used during college, was nearly universal and that accounts for 4 deferments. The 5th one was a dodge for sure, equivalent to what Bush and Mr. Clinton did. In 1968 they abolished deferments for graduate school. Apparently voters don't think draft dodging matters. Hitler had one book, and that's not something for bedtime reading. It's boring. Since Rissia has chosen Putin as a leader it would be good do deal with him if possible.


The problem is that he's an "aggressive" businessman who works really close to the Thin Green Line of fraud. is a narcissist to the point that it affects his thinking, and has a disastrous habit of talking without thinking about what he says. He is the worst choice. 


Clinton has held important government positions but has accomplished very little positive in those positions, mishandling Libya, Syria and the rest of the Middle East.  She and her husband are subject to scandal, some very serious, some not. She talks reform but accomplishes little, and she and her husband skate close to the edge ethically to the point that it's almost, but not quite criminal.  She has become rich on speaking fees and the Clinton Foundation, by doing favors to Wall Street and probably promising more. She may be the better choice but not a good choice


What can we do so that we're never faced with such a choice again?  Is our political system, as it has mutated over the years, working for the 21st Century? Do we need a multiparty system?  We could do with a third option that doesn't pander to an extreme "base."

William
William

Good points here. There are many men and women who are qualified but you have to consider the safety of their family and media exposure of lifetime secrets and failures. Success are the candidates job to tell. Also, we will never know why decisions were made that appear careless but may have been deliberate to keep us afloat. No one should know. Loose lips sink ships. Our defense has moved from tanks and bombs to technology. It is truly a different world and we need brilliant minds making our decisions.

Up In Cleveland
Up In Cleveland

The election was rigged excuse isn't going to cut it if he loses by 15 points.

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@Up In Cleveland  Trump and his minions are looking to delegitimize the entire democratic process.  Even if he loses by 10 points there will be obstructionism and claims of a rigged election.  One of his top advisors, interviewed by Brietbart's twitter troll Milo Yiannopoulis, is already setting the stage. 

Stone went on to say that Trump should keep drumming up his supporters against the “rigged” system, and promise that the government will be shut down if Clinton is pronounced the victor in November.

“If you can’t have an honest election, nothing else counts,” Stone said. “I think he’s gotta put them on notice that their inauguration will be a rhetorical, and when I mean civil disobedience, not violence, but it will be a bloodbath… We will not stand for it.”

lvg
lvg

I like many others, waiver to support Hillary because of all her smelly baggage from the past. The scandals and accusations seem endless, What Jay B. doesn't get is that Hillary has done almost nothing to decrease her untrustworthiness ratings.Talking about Trump's lies is fine but will not calm the angry masses whipped to a frenzy by eight years of GOP hysteria and libel.  


Now we have the Wash Po giving her four Pinocchios on her disagreement with the FBI director over whether she lied. Four Pinocchios- really? 

And the GOP tar and feathered Hillary at its convention by opening with Pat Smith screeching hysterically that Hillary was responsible for her son's death at Benghazi and Hillary lied at her son's funeral. So I go on Hillary's web site to see if she has set the record straight- nothing there.Why? 

These are the hot button issues that may put a psychotic fascist ally of Putin  in the White House.Four Pinocchios? 

I know as an attorney that the facts show Hillary did not commit perjury on the e-mail issue and she did what no less than Henry Kissinger and Karl Rove did to hide or protect private conversations by not using public or government storage mediums. Most of the Hannity/Limbaugh/Trump mob does not even know what FOIA is. Comey repudiated his political comments on hillary lying at the hearing under cross-examination.Hey but after attempts to nail the Clintons and drawing no blood, the guy was frustrated. After all he is just another part of the GOP witch hunt.
As to Benghazi, there are volumes to show that what Pat Smith said was incorrect  or she  misstated the facts to fit the GOP Blood Libel. 
Hillary,  and the news media need to get the facts out there on "Hillary lied" and Hillary is corrupt" or Trump could still get elected. 
Four Pinocchios matters.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@lvg

Four Pinocchios matters

meh. Beyond the political freakazoids hardly anyone is going to care about what the WaPo said about Hils that time, come November.

Plenty of valid points you raise, but don't expect corporate media to stop hoping this race stays competitive. There are billions of ad dollars riding on it.

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

The administration is denying they paid ransom money to Iran to release the hostages.

State Department claims its an old story, but they have nothing but deflection on how the money sent to Iran coincided with the hostage release.

Another Obama disaster on which the press will collude to cover up and blow away.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@JohnnyReb

So when would have been a good time to make good on a financial obligation that was tied up in court and would’ve remained tied up, and probably costing us even more, had we waited?

(And by the way, do we need to have yet another little talk about how the Last Guy In The White House wound up distributing unfrozen Iraqi assets back in the day? Because I’d be happy to go there and compare/contrast.)

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

You can always tell who the LibProgs are most afraid if you will just listen and read.

The hysteria here over Trump is amazing as The Donald would say.

Yes LibProgs, be afraid, be very afraid.

The establishment Republicans can keep coming out of the wall criticizing Trump, but they only get one vote just like the every day Joes who support Trump and will to the end.

The alternative is simply unacceptable.

OldEngineer
OldEngineer

@JohnnyReb No fear or hysteria whatsoever - this is GREAT! Joyful enthusiasm. Sorry that you seem to want the doom and gloom, but this will make us better in it's inevitably ugly ending.

OldEngineer
OldEngineer

It's gonna take a yuuuuuuge crew to extract the smile from Hillary Clinton's face.

OldEngineer
OldEngineer

From the former head of the NSA on Trump - "“I can argue about this position or that position — I do that with the current president,” Hayden said. “But he’s inconsistent. And when you’re the head of a global super power, inconsistency, unpredictability, those are dangerous things. They frighten your friends and they tempt your enemies. And so, I would be very concerned.”


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/08/03/3804589/scarborough-donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-msnbc/

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@OldEngineer  To quote Trump during his big foreign policy - reading from a teleprompter, no less - "We need to be unpredictable, beginning right now". 

Of course he said this about  10 minutes after saying "our allies need to be able to rely on us".

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

Can they replace him at this point? I mean I know republicans don't live by any 'rules' but isn't he their official nominee?

About the only option they have is offer a write in nominee and lose badly.

Or (politically heheh) die. I like that one.

OldEngineer
OldEngineer

So much for Trump "kissing babies" - or throwing them out of public places. 

Up In Cleveland
Up In Cleveland

From Reuters: "

"Republican Donald Trump insisted on Wednesday that his presidential campaign is unified, even as he faces open revolt from some in his party amid one of the most disruptive controversies of his unruly White House run.

"There is great unity in my campaign, perhaps greater than ever before. I want to thank everyone for your tremendous support. Beat Crooked H!" the Republican nominee wrote on Twitter early Wednesday, referring to Democratic rival Hillary Clinton. 

According to one news report, the Republican National Committee is looking at its options in case Trump drops out. RNC Chairman Reince Priebus is furious about the dispute with the Khans and has spoken with Trump repeatedly asking him to change course, ABC News reported Wednesday.

It said senior officials are looking into how to replace Trump on the Republican ticket for the Nov. 8 election. The Trump campaign had no immediate comment on the report."

Like watching dominoes fall, or maybe more like a nucular (that one's for W) reactor go critical.

RoadScholar
RoadScholar

@Up In Cleveland Trump's ego will never allow himself to drop out. Haven't you learned anything from this egomaniac?

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Donnie_Pinko

First I’m hearing…srsly?

Donald failed to close what was a seven run lead going into the 9th today, the 400 million getting shipped to Iran (that actually was, you know, owed to Iran)? Granted, a “winning the media day” kinda thing, not enough to move the needle but maybe keep it from dropping?

Color me not super surprised. Americans seem to have forgotten what the phrase “he’s got a lot more money than sense” means, but maybe it’ll sink in before long.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

The New York Times, August 3, 2016, from "Old Engineer's" link, one hour ago, below:


Excerpt: "It was not the first time that Mr. Hollande has lashed out against the Republican candidate. After the killing of a priest in Normandy last week, he reacted angrily to Mr. Trump’s assessment that 'France is no longer France.'


'France will always be France,' Mr. Hollande retorted. 'It never gives up, because it still bears ideals, values, principles that are recognized worldwide, and it’s when you lower your standards that you are no longer what you are. That’s something that may happen to others, on the other side of the Atlantic.'


On Tuesday, Mr. Hollande said, 'If the Americans choose Trump, it will have consequences because the American election is a global election.' ”


Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@MaryElizabethSings

 it will have consequences because the American election is a global election

Hollande went on to say: "et zee water, it is still wet, yes?"

Fly-On-The-Wall
Fly-On-The-Wall

@MaryElizabethSings  But nothing he has said or done sticks.  I've heard of Teflon politicians but The Donald has outdone all other politicians who had that label.
At some point all of the collective weight of his 'gaffes' will come crashing down but the question is will it be soon enough?

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@Visual_Cortex @Donnie_Pinko 

Kind of says something though, don't you think? 
About where someone in Donald Trump's position thinks he might have to go to outflank Hillary Clinton.

Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@Donnie_Pinko @Visual_Cortex

Don’t forget he also said wayyy back in the earliest debate that he thought Canada’s single-payer insurance was “great.” And in a later debate he used far harsher language to criticize the Administration and their Iraq invasion than I’ve ever heard from ANY elected Democrat not named Cynthia McKinney.

Flanking left of the Dems out of convenience is nothing new from him.

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@Visual_Cortex @Donnie_Pinko 

Don’t forget he also said wayyy back in the earliest debate that he thought Canada’s single-payer insurance was “great"

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So is that just more fodder for rolling our eyes at Donald Trump or is it maybe evidence that he's responding, in however distorted a fashion, to a gap left by the lack of a left?  

RoadScholar
RoadScholar

@Donnie_Pinko He'll pay for it by reducing business and rich people's taxes! Repub math is a mystery.

tireOfIt
tireOfIt

Is Trump looking for a way out?