Pregnancy, Zika and the GOP’s dictated choice

(AP)

With fresh cases of Zika being reported in Florida and now in Texas as well, with almost 2,000 cases reported nationwide by the CDC, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio was asked over the weekend whether pregnant women infected with the virus should be allowed to terminate their pregnancies or whether they should be forced by law to carry it to term despite the likelihood of severe or fatal abnormalities.

They should be forced by law to carry it to term, he said.

“I understand a lot of people disagree with my view,” Rubio said, “but I believe that all human life is worthy of protection of our laws. And when you present it in the context of Zika or any prenatal condition, it’s a difficult question and a hard one. But if I’m going to err, I’m going to err on the side of life.”

In one sense, I respect Rubio’s point of view. It’s honestly held and a product of his faith, and he isn’t backing away from it even in a year when he faces a tough re-election fight. There’s no reason to question what decision he and his family would personally make for themselves if they were confronted by the tragic options that Zika can force upon a couple or pregnant woman. Again, I honor and respect that.

9ff679ac-59b5-4657-bbce-0874d44d7e59But let’s be clear: Rubio also wants to use the intrusive, overriding power of government to impose his own belief system on every other person in the country. If given the chance — and he and others very much wants the chance — they would strip that choice from individuals and hand it to government.

That is also the position of the Republican Party, as expressed in its 2016 platform, which states:

“We assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to children before birth…. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.”

That “fundamental right to life” allows no exception for pregnancies created through acts of rape, incest or child abuse. A 14-year-old child impregnated by an uncle, for example, would have no legal option but to endure that full pregnancy. And it certainly does not allow women or couples to make their own decisions when confronted with a pregnancy that is almost certainly compromised by Zika.
As even Rubio acknowledges, these are hard questions. They are also inherently, inescapably personal questions of the sort that ought to defy a one-size-fits-all answer dictated by government.  They are, to use an increasingly archaic term, private. And with one Supreme Court seat already sitting vacant, and with three other justices aged 77 or older, that privacy is very much at risk.

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OriginalProf
OriginalProf

Curious that all of the posters here arguing against abortion of a fetus are male, and don't seem to get exactly what microcephaly (caused by the Zika virus) entails. The horror of a child having 3/4 of its brain missing from birth. The idea of the mother caring for a child that has constant seizures all its life. Etc. I don't think the father will stick around. It reminds me of the days when thalidomide babies were in question.

Cupofjoe
Cupofjoe

I know I know by posting I must be an ardent con who doesn't believe in a right to choose- 


The Unborn Victims of Violence Act, passed in 2004, defines a fetus as a "child in uterus" and a person as being a legal crime victim "if a fetal injury or death occurs during the commission of a federal violent crime." In the U.S., 36 states have lawswith more harsh penalties if the victim is murdered while pregnant.

honested
honested

@Cupofjoe 

It's a good thing that nonsense never took effect.

In the United States, women (and everybody else) has a right to privacy....you know a right just like the 2nd Amendment provides.

St Simons he-ne-ha
St Simons he-ne-ha

So we've got our first Zika death. Congratulations Republicans. Those confederate flag & relaxed regulation riders, well we see how much they mean to you, vs actual born children.


From a hospital administrator, who actually cares about kids after they're born and is a lot more blunt - 

"Go to hell Republicans. Go to f*^ hell. And your fellow traveler weasels. And you can quote me on that."

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

@St Simons he-ne-ha


And, the money needed to fight this Zika mosquito is not being funded well enough by Republicans.  THAT is why Obama said he would veto their pitiful bill - the money they offered was just a pittance of what it would take to fight this awful condition before us all, for generations.  Taking care of one Zika deformed baby for life would take 10 million dollars, just for One child and 1000s could be affected adversely.  And, since money is the main thing that Republicans seem to understand, and to care about, maybe they can process that fact and ACT now to utilize the already known scientific means of keeping this mosquito, once fertilized from growing into adulthood.

The Doom
The Doom

2nd amendment rights?


Lordy, are we going to talk now about the progs wanting to impose their beliefs on other people's 2nd amendment rights via gun control? LOL! 


And the progs say they don't try to impose their beliefs. Aw, man that is funny!  

Paul42
Paul42

@Doom Classical liberal

Your trolling is getting pathetic.

You don't understand how law is made on untested questions, do you?

Better trolls...

PS.

You've never answered the questions you've asked of others on when 'human' begins and if that's germane to the abortion question?  No surprises there.

So let me clarify for you:

When does life begin?

When does human life begin?

Does a woman have a right to an abortion?

Why or why not?

Are there limits?

Why or why not?

You dance all around subjects and do whatever you can to avoid going on the record.  Show us you can do what you ask of others.

Or not.

The Doom
The Doom

@Paul42 @Doom Classical liberal


My trolling? That's funny considering that you trolled me numerous times before I finally entertained your trolling. 


We've already answered the abortion question. According to science life begins at conception. Science, Paul. Science. 


You simply reframed the argument and changed it to a subjective argument about when is life "viable". 


The usual dishonesty and deflection. No surprise there. 

The Doom
The Doom

@Paul42 @Doom Classical liberal


What is there to answer? The basic question of when life begins has been answered. Your only response is to move the goalpost to a question about "viability" and then to demand an answer to a litany of questions- as if you are owed lengthy explanations to your trolling with me going down your rabbit hole. 

Paul42
Paul42

@Doom Classical liberal

What is there to answer?

When does life begin?

When does human life begin?

Does a woman have a right to an abortion?

Why or why not?

Are there limits?

Why or why not?

"Life" is not the issue for abortion.  Potentiality of human life and actual human life is.  You strung out the abortion theme, ridiculed others for their responses but refused expand past 'life begins at conception."

So are we to infer you align yourself with Rubio and the right-do-lifers?  Life at conception is human life and is to be accorded all constitutional protections?

C'mon, Doom, be brave.  You can do it!

The Doom
The Doom

@Paul42 @Doom Classical liberal


Already answered it. Life begins at conception- not at a subjective "viability" opinion of what life is. Don't like my answer too bad. Its based on science. 


As for your avalanche of other questions I've no desire to go down a rabbit hole and get bogged down answering all your other numerous queries. You're just not worth the time. 


Next time keep your trolling short and to the point. 

Paul42
Paul42

@Doom Classical liberal

You really don't have the chops to understand the issues or to clearly state what you believe, do you?

That's okay.  You'll continue to 'school us' and get your fix.

The Doom
The Doom

@Paul42 @Doom Classical liberal


I understand perfectly well. And how many times do I have to repeat myself as to when life begins. All else is irrelevant. 


That's okay. You'll continue to troll me and get your fix. 

Paul42
Paul42

@Doom Classical liberal

So life begins at conception, no abortion for any reason because all life is sacred, and that's the sum of it.

Correct?

honested
honested

@Doom Classical liberal @Paul42 

The idiot notion that "life begins at conception" is a religious construct, not the product of law.

In America, Citizens are free from oversight by religion, so religious definitions have no force of law.

Paul42
Paul42

@honested

Interesting how Doom likes to keep the conversation, and any permutations,  going with anyone, at least until he's asked to be clear and specific about his beliefs, isn't it?

Corey
Corey

@Paul42 @Doom Classical liberal A zygote should be afforded the protections of the 14th Amendment and the government will determine when the zygote's 14th Amendment rights have been violated. Will there be secret zygote police like the secret police in Cuba? When we start down this slippery slope of granting rights to potential humans even at the point of conception is there anyone with half a brain who cannot see how crazy that sounds?      

gotalife
gotalife

The Dems are attacking trump's assisination threat.


Finish him and his weak gop.

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@gotalife 

Finish him and his weak gop.

-

Don't worry, your girl Hillary is finishing it alright - by swallowing it up.

JeffreyEav
JeffreyEav

Hillary's lead is not going away. Sleep tight cons. I'm either hitting the pool or checking out the new improved Manuel's. What's the un-great part? Selah.

gotalife
gotalife

Methinks her next ad just made itself today.

ByteMe
ByteMe

@gotalife Godwin's Law bedamned... just do a side-by-side between with subtitles.

ByteMe
ByteMe

Trump's answer: "We're going to build a YUUUUGE wall around the mosquitoes.


Oh, wait... they can fly over the wall?"

The Doom
The Doom

I see my personal troll up in the peanut gallery shall have his say. 


SSDD.

Paul42
Paul42

@Doom Classical liberal

More projection?

Answered your question on human life below.  

I notice you haven't answered the same questions you demand of everyone else.

No surprises there.

Feel free to cut and past the entire questions and answers here.

The Doom
The Doom

@Paul42 @Doom Classical liberal


Oh. Your goalpost moved where you moved it from whether or not conception is life to a question now of viability. Kinda funny how you completely reframed the debate. LOL!

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@Kamchak Off topic - are you guys going to pull the trigger on Rom?

Kamchak
Kamchak

@PaulinNH 

Seems like West Ham has taken some cues from the Braves.

Kamchak
Kamchak

@PaulinNH 

Lukaku?

We had him once, and it sure would be nice to get him back

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@Kamchak @PaulinNH  We aren't asking Pogba money.  Stones went for 47 million quid - which would put Lukaku around 60 mill. 

Although it's doubling the price from the transfer FROM Chelsea it's meaningless - it's what you do with the money that counts and you can see all the other clubs ratcheting up their prices if Everton are involved.  Same thing Chelsea and the 2 Manchester clubs have been dealing with for 10 years.

Kamchak
Kamchak

@PaulinNH 

Neither the Toffees or Blue Lions will be getting any UCL or Europa league money this season, so it'll be interesting to see what they do with available funds.

RA wants him a brand new stadium, too.

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@Kamchak @PaulinNH  At least RA is willing to pay for it - unlike the friggin Hammers who just got a state of the art stadium for free.

The Doom
The Doom

Where is the mercy? The compassion? Why are we not giving out more free stuff like birth control. 


Lordy, the emotional overload arguments of the far left crack me up.

Fl0ydLiberal
Fl0ydLiberal

Doom, You must be a man without children because any woman or father would understand the heartbreak of carrying a dead or dying fetus "to term". Congratulations. You have as much empathy as Trump.

Fl0ydLiberal
Fl0ydLiberal

Imagine going through nine months and the ordeal of childbirth knowing that the baby is so deformed it will experience excruciating pain before dying, the way the Texas baby did. Where is the mercy? Where is the compassion? Why aren't we passing out contraceptives for free in mosquito zones?

Menace
Menace

Republicans only want government control on their terms.  Just like anyone else.

Kamchak
Kamchak

Doesn't take a higher knowledge of math to know abortion is a legal procedure.

Just sayin'.

tireOfIt
tireOfIt

Donald Trump Suggests Shooting Hillary Clinton, Her Supreme Court Picks, Or Both