Opinion: Trump demands Mexico’s complete humiliation, or else ….

us-mexico-border-apIn a tweet this morning, President Trump told the world that “if Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting” in Washington with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto.

Unwilling to pay for Trump’s stupid wall, Peña Nieto then canceled the meeting, which had been expected to deal with the future of trade between the two nations. Mexican officials were already in Washington to hold preparatory meetings, which have also been canceled.

Speaking later to congressional Republicans in Philadelphia, Trump tried to spin the cancellation as a mutual decision and then laid out a hard line.

“We have agreed to cancel our planned meeting,” Trump said. “Unless Mexico is going to treat the U.S. fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless, and I want to go a different route. We have no choice.”

Let’s put this into context: Trump wants to build a wall all along the 2,000-mile Mexican-American border, even though illegal border crossings last year had fallen to one-tenth of what they had been a decade earlier.  The thing has become more of a monument to his ego than a necessity, and even a lot of Republicans understand it as Trump’s Folly. “Building a wall is the most expensive and least effective way to secure the border,” says U.S. Rep. Will Hurd, a Texas Republican from a border district.

But as Mexico has pointed out, the Americans of course have every right to do whatever crazy thing they want, as long as it’s on their side of the border and they pay the bills.

That’s not good enough for Trump. To satisfy his need to be seen as a strongman, he wants to make Mexico publicly grovel. He needs to make the Mexican government humiliate itself before the world and before its own people, throwing away any vestige of national pride, by agreeing to pay tens of billions of dollars for the American wall that it doesn’t want.

There’s also the matter of practicality. Mexico’s economy is 13 times smaller than that of the United States; its government budget is already under immense pressure in large part because of the collapse of international oil prices, with social programs, pension and education spending being slashed. Demanding that it cough up tens of billions of additional dollars to pay for a vanity project for a crazy American president is asking a bit much.

But hey, this is Trump at his bullying worse, picking on a much smaller, weaker opponent to make himself look bigger. It’s also stupid. According to White House spokesman Sean Spicer, if Mexico won’t pay for the wall directly, Trump proposes to do so by levying a 20 percent tariff on all goods imported from Mexico.

That punitive tariff would have to be approved by Congress, which is highly unlikely. And if it were imposed, the tariff would be paid by American consumers, not by Mexicans. And yes, it would indeed harm the Mexican economy, potentially putting millions of people out of work and making them desperate for a better life somewhere else

Gee, I wonder what would happen then?

 

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Bill OrvisWhite
Bill OrvisWhite

We don't need Mexico's produce. We can grow it all here - and with The Honorable U.S. Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue, He WILL increase crop growing on U.S. soil! Build up the wall. Keep jihadists and illegals out, period. Say NO to the left, media, the Democrat party and the Establishment. America First! Same with the pipeline - we have our own resources so why not produce oil on our own lands. America First! Amen, Bill 

Fl0ydLiberal
Fl0ydLiberal

I've wondered why Donald is so insistent on a wall. After he copied Obama's inauguration cake, I realized he has to appropriate symbols from those he considers competitors. Thus his residences look like those of Russian oligarchs.  and the wall will be his Great Wall of China, something that will live on for centuries, a testament to his power.

Shirley
Shirley

Guys, go to the grocery store. Go to the produce aisle, now look at the little country of origin stickers on the fruits and vegetables. THIS is where Trump's tariff war is going to get real.  





DerekGator
DerekGator

The American people agree with Trump on this issue, keep bashing the idea and it will make the dems that much more out of touch with main stream America.


We ultimately win a trade war with Mexico, yes we would have to pay a little more for our imported stuff but it will make it more cost effective for us to produce those items here and maybe we can get some of the 47 million Obama Food Stamp recipients a job. 

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

Try to keep up will you?  Sheets

McGarnagle
McGarnagle

@rimsky


What does the current president say? Well I am stocking up on bananas. And salsa

Eye wonder
Eye wonder

@TBS

This is what one opinion writer had to say about an investigation:


 Watch: there will be a “commission” consisting of experts borrowed from Breitbart; it will hold no hearings, or hold absurdly closed ones; or hold ones with testimony from frequent callers to “The Alex Jones Show”—and this clownish commission will then baldly conclude that there is, indeed, widespread evidence of voter fraud. And Trump will reassert the lie and point to his commission’s findings as his evidence.

TBS
TBS

That's why I say spin. I'm guessing even without proof of millions of illegal votes the conclusion will be more about registration then voting with inferences of mass voter voter fraud based on registration issues.

At least that's my take.

Paul42
Paul42

@TBS Even after his own lawyers debunked the claims to say why state recounts weren't necessary?

Well, that's what conspiracy theorists do - 

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

@TBS 

Prediction:  Trump will find close to zero voter fraud. 

VERY close to zero. 

However, he will find numerous paperwork errors, and try to tell people this proves he was right.  Book it.

Unless he finds three million illegal votes, he will be proven to be, yet again, a liar.

MaryElizabethSings
MaryElizabethSings

Be back later.  In the meantime, call 202-225-3121 and protest the confirmation of both Betsy DeVos and Tom Price.





honested
honested

@MaryElizabethSings 

Call the Local Numbers for sonny's  cousin and that Senator for the real estate industry:

isackson - 770-661-0999

perdu(do) - 404-865-0087

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

Just curious...  will anybody who voted for Trump admit to a little buyer's remorse, yet?

Paul42
Paul42

@DownInAlbany

Called for repeal.  Can't take anything else seriously cause it's just an opening offer, can you?

skydog12
skydog12

@Nick_Danger


You have to break it down for them in NASCAR terms Nick.


Do you feel your arse getting squirrelly in turn 1?

Paul42
Paul42

Ex-Mexico President Vicente Fox said, in response to all the talk from Trump, 7 Mexican states have cancelled orders of new Fords for their government fleets.

Smooth move, Donald.

rimsky
rimsky

@Paul42 Back lash will be painful.  Now the companies have to weigh out the repercussions and act accordingly.  I will bet Trump won't be happy.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@Paul42 Okay so Mexico cancelled ordering 7 pick up trucks from Ford, have 7 SEC football programs order F-150s for their head coaches, problem solved.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@Paul42 @Buschleaguer Lighten up , Just a joke. There is no real way to know the outcome of this dust up between Mexico and Trump. This is just a preliminary round of the negotiations.Both sides staking out extreme measures and both will likely compromise on something in the middle .So both Mexico and Trump can claim a Political victory.

rimsky
rimsky

@Paul42 @Buschleaguer For Busch the trade between us and Mexico is close to 500 billion.  No other nation even come close to that volume.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@honested @Buschleaguer @Paul42 Because Ted it appears to me that you take yourself and your comments way too seriously, and now anyone who is a sports fan is a Deplorable.I guess you will be marching in a demonstration next Sunday.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@Paul42 @Buschleaguer I think the whole issue with the WALL is just idiotic. There are so many more effective ways to control the border with out building a physical structure. but you are right Trump has made this a priority as foolish as it is.

Buschleaguer
Buschleaguer

@rimsky @Paul42 @Buschleaguer How much of what we export to Mexico comes back to the US as a finished retail product. How much of what we export to Mexico is actually consumed by the people of Mexico. Just looks like big corporations just export their parts to Mexico ,take advantage of lower labor costs and then Mexico exports these same products they imported back to the US. With the real winner being US corporations increasing profits for goods that they used to produce in the US. The 500 Billion seems to be skewed even more than the 50 to 60 Billion trade deficit shown in US Trade reports.

Paul42
Paul42

@Buschleaguer

You have no idea of the amount of trade or the kinds of goods between the US and Mexico, do you?

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

@Buschleaguer @Paul42 

Since Trump's opening position was the abject humiliation of Mexico, it will be interesting to see where he goes from there.

Paul42
Paul42

@Buschleaguer

Thanks for the clarification.  As one poster told me long ago, putting //sarc// or //jk// preempts confusion.

I'm not buying the 'staking out positions, extreme going-in offer' explanation.  Trump hasn't changed since the campaign.  He's staked his ego on having them pay for it and I think he'll take any measure to tell himself that's what happened.

honested
honested

@Buschleaguer @Paul42 

It's pretty predictable actually.

When a failed 'businessman' who has a history of bullying vendors applies that same stupid policy to world trade, things will go wrong.

honested
honested

@Buschleaguer @Paul42 

That's cute.

Maybe you should research the total size of the order and be happy that you are such a fool.


On another note, maybe all levels of government should cease all subsidies for sport and see what the deplorables can figure out to do on the weekend.

Paul42
Paul42

Too many comments to go through.  We all remember how our cons (that's you, td1234) replied to every post about increasing taxes or costs to business with 'it gets passed on to the consumer.  We're the ones who end up paying.'

Have any of them used the same knee-jerk response to Trump's plans for a 20% tax on good from Mexico?

Have you, td1234?