Opinion: OMG, what did Trump say THIS time!?

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In normal times, it would be extraordinary to see a sitting U.S. president claim that his predecessor had secretly used the U.S. intelligence community to spy on his campaign. Such an allegation would detonate the entire political system. If verified, it would launch another, even larger Watergate, with televised Senate hearings and people going to prison. The foundations of our republic would be tested, and it would dominate every front page, home page and news show for years.

Under Donald J. Trump, it’s just another Saturday morning.

Nobody seems certain what he’s talking about, but here’s a guess:

Trump may just be learning that the FBI had sought and received a federal warrant in October under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), allowing it to monitor communications between Russian intelligence officials and people linked to the Trump campaign. The warrant was sought as part of the intelligence community’s larger investigation into Russian hacking and intervention in our election.

News of that warrant first broke seven weeks ago, but in his show Thursday night, right-wing talk-radio host Mark Levin suddenly seized upon it as the centerpiece of a rather elaborate conspiracy theory:

“There’s a much bigger scandal here. We have a prior administration, Barack Obama and his surrogates, who are supporting Hillary Clinton and her party, the Democratic Party, who were using the intelligence activities to surveil members of the Trump campaign, and to put that information out in the public. Those are police state tactics.”

Got that? The FBI under James Comey — the same Comey who publicly condemned Clinton and publicly reopened the FBI email-server investigation at a critical point just days before the election — is actually a tool of the Obama administration who helped Obama and Clinton spy on Trump’s campaign operations.

As you would naturally expect, the conspiracy theory virus was picked up from Levin and further incubated at Breitbart, and as you would also naturally expect, it apparently then jumped directly to the Oval Office, or more literally to the Trump suite at Mar-A-Lago, where the presidential calvalcade resides at the moment, and then burst out on Twitter.

In his Thursday night rant, Levin demanded a full-blown congressional investigation of the “scandal”, and I’m perfectly willing and even eager to join him in that demand. Let’s go. Let’s put all the Russia cards on the table and see what we’ve got. Having made these explosive charges public, Trump himself has no rational choice but to demand an investigation as well.

In the meantime, though, we’ve got to deal with the fact that we have a crazy man as president.

 

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Paul42
Paul42

Johnny Reb


What you and others seem to be neglecting is the understanding that in the eyes of slave traders, slave owners and most Southerners, slaves were not people.  They were slaves. Property.  No different than livestock or furniture.  


That is the ugliness of slavery and those who supported it and its aftereffects. 


Property cannot immigrate.

Resist Trump
Resist Trump

@Paul42 @Resist Trump

I just figured that the President has given us license to use the word in question. Other than that, this is Dice at his cleanest.

Paul42
Paul42

@Resist Trump

I have to admit, I've wondered about the reaction if someone had said something similar to Ivanka, with cameras rolling, followed by "your dad said it was okay for me to say that.'

Still and all, Jay tries to maintain some boundaries on this forum.

Paul42
Paul42

Mary:

"I am aware of how the system "is suppos d to work". Next!"

"
Do you think Obama wrote a memo asking Lynch to initiate the request to FSAC? Of course not, Plausible deniability."

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It's FISA just for future reference. And, how does how the process work have anything to do with whether or not a warrant was obtained?"

Okay Mary, now
 explain how the president can order the wiretapping of an American citizen.  If it cannot be done legally (and therefore Donald is lying) then explain to us your factual basis (not your Alice in Wonderland trolling) how a president can completely circumvent laws and processes in effect for 50 years, convince many agencies and other branches of government to willingly violate the law and how no one has pointed the finger, other than Breitbart, Levin and Donald, at a former president?

You come across as just another sockpuppet troll.  You have a chance now, make the most of it.

Mary
Mary

U r right. Confused with your blathering victim responses

Mary
Mary

Thus this is what separates me from you and your gang: as much as I disliked Obama and Clinton, I did not hate. Disagreed yes, but never hate and chaos like the left is supporting. Look at your most recent AG. She is publicly calling for protest against the pres. What kind of law enforcement leader does that? A bitter left wing activist

KUTGF
KUTGF

@Paul42 This weekend she tried to claim that she was a virgin to the blog even though she has been posting for at least a week or two.  Just another troll with her talking points of nonsense. 

Mary
Mary

You are in total denial, or just hate Trump so much that you will not acknowledge the fact that a warrant application (FISA) can be issued "legally" for the wrong reason. Think about how much you hate the right and Trump. Obama, Lynch and other top Obama officials hate him and the right million times more. I'm not saying it was done illegally, I'm saying it was done and the intent was political.

Paul42
Paul42

@Mary

" the fact that a warrant application (FISA) can be issued "legally" for the wrong reason."

Explain to us how this works, Mary.  There are numerous open-source examples of a FISA judge rejecting an application based upon the voluminous filings seeking a warrant.  How does this occur?

gapeach101
gapeach101

@Paul42 All I can say, if Obama  did order this wire tap (and he couldn't), his WH was much less leaky than Mr. Trump's.

Peachs
Peachs

@Mary I do hate Trump, for a reason, not like you planning impeachment hearing ,for Hillary ,before the campaign was over, spending millions to chase ghost, and freezing Obama and the economy of this country out for eight year.  


I don't like little thinkers, who have no moral character, stealing elections with mobs that are led by red meat, reminds me of Hitler, who I must admit I hated too.

Mary
Mary

Do you think that every application submitted is 100% accurate on it's face? Or, subjectivity and informed speculation is added to ensure issuance? I do. Politics, is a mean dirty business. These folks are ruthless and crave winning. They hate the right and trump more than you guys do. I know that is hard to believe. I just question Obama, clapper, comedy and Lynch's credibility. I do not trust them. They are activist!

Paul42
Paul42

@Mary

Answer  the questions, Mary.

You were the one who raised them.

Peachs
Peachs

@Mary you sound like a mobster trying to legitimize your existence.

Peachs
Peachs

@Paul42 @Mary deflection, I told you this is Kellyanne on the couch. She will send us a bill for her appearance.

Mary
Mary

U r a nasty little liberal now aren't you. Let's see, you do not think I was telling the truth yesterday when I stated that this week was my first at doing this? Instead you made fun of me. You are living up to the reputation of being a bitter narrow minded liberal. Do not believe anything a con says, but everything a lib says. Typical

Peachs
Peachs

@Mary if I have cancer does that mean you don't have cancer, how does your health make this about me?

Menace
Menace

@Paul42  Sockpuppet troll or Mrs. Bill Orvis White?  Amen.

KUTGF
KUTGF

@Mary The "hate meter" has been deployed on this blog apparently.  LOL

Paul42
Paul42

@KUTGF

Rather like the abortion deflection.  They've been boxed in and know it's nonsense but still want to keep posting.

Mary
Mary

Sipping the sauce already? Not sure I know what you r asking. Dumb it down a little for this old dumb con

Peachs
Peachs

@gapeach101 @Paul42 Trump is so popular his own White House can't wait to tell the world what a fake he really is.  Glad we didn't have this problem, just Congress stonewalling us, not our own people. 

Mary
Mary

Asked and answered. Do not like my response, protest. March and carry some hateful signs. Make your momma proud

Peachs
Peachs

@Mary You seem to be a fountain of information, on Obama, though alternative as it may be, and know nothing of your man Trump.  You have talking points like the corn fed spokesman, looped up to talk in circles, with deflection for the fact the building is on fire.  Doesn't matter whose fault it is, when we are all dead does it.

Peachs
Peachs

@Mary my mama voted for Trump, and died at 101 right afterward.  Coincidence, I don't think so..


Kellyanne you killed my mama!

Mary
Mary

U r intolerant period.

Peachs
Peachs

@Mary the mob guy who tells you it is just business ,before he kills you, to make you feel better..

JKToole
JKToole

@Menace @Paul42 Bill Orvis White is a satirist. Not a very good one, mind you, but a satirist nonetheless. Google him.

Why is this lost on the folks on the AJC blogs?

Mary
Mary

BTW, it's obvious u do not like anyone that does not subscribe to your beliefs. And am so confused; I always thought the left was tolerant and inclusive. NOT

Menace
Menace

@JKToole @Menace @Paul42  Most of the time I realize this.  It's just with the serious cons spouting stupidity it's hard to separate satire from stupid sometimes.

Peachs
Peachs

@Mary you support lies, don't like that, sorry just a thing with me, you don't support family, but Ralph Reed yourself into the religious tent, you have no moral backbone, and are proud of it, and did I say you lie?

Peachs
Peachs

@Mary you could have stopped at confused..

Mary
Mary

Typical left response. One of your inclusive "we support women" congressman pulled a Donald this weekend didn't he? Of course, that's ok cause she is a conservative women. Just imagine if that had been said by a rep about a liberal women. Good Lord, ya'll would be calling for his resignation and marching in the streets. Mad Dona and Ashley would be giving rah rah speeches

Peachs
Peachs

@Mary why is it all libs and con with you?  

Mary
Mary

Hateful, full of anger. Wow!

justaniceguy
justaniceguy

@PaulinNH @Menace @Paul42 Jay is really BOW... that's why.

Need proof? Go look at jay's FB and BOW's twitter feeds during the month of Dec. they were conspicuously inactive during the same time frames.


Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

Isn't it ironic that the FISCs , which many on the left abhorred, may lead to trouble for those that supported it?

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

Notice the wording in this extraordinary New York Times article on the crisis gripping the US state, which kind of lets the cat out of the bag about the stakes that have been raised over months of incessant leaks implying collusion between Trump and and the Russians:


"in addition to being concerned about potential attacks on the bureau’s credibility, senior FBI officials are said to be worried that the notion of a court-approved wiretap will raise the public’s expectations that the federal authorities have significant evidence implicating the Trump campaign in colluding with Russia’s efforts to disrupt the presidential election."

F.B.I. Chief Urges Justice Dept. to Reject Wiretap Claim

The Times appears worried that maybe there will not in fact be sufficient evidence of collusion to meet public expectations after months of endless hyping in the press. 

Nick_Danger
Nick_Danger

So, if a wiretap was authorized, does that mean a federal judge found probable cause of a crime?

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@Nick_Danger  I think that all of the evidence related to any potential wiretap should be released.  Names of people being watched, supporting evidence for why, copies of telephone transcripts.

Peachs
Peachs

@PaulinNH @Nick_Danger we welcome a investigation, it will tell the world, classified info, on why the tapes were placed on the lines, which even in Trump world, might be a bomb going off.

JohnnyReb
JohnnyReb

@Nick_Danger while it was a federal judge, it would have been a FISA judge where foreign states are involved.

So the burden of proof would be somewhat different.

And it should be noted the accusations are the tap remained after finding nothing, and that the intelligence gained was classified the lowest which spread it among all intelligence agencies and made containment impossible in this day and age.