Opinion: What if Trump White House is completely innocent?

(AP)

In the spirit of bipartisanship, let’s try a little thought experiment:

Instead of jumping to the worst of conclusions, as many on the left have begun to do, let’s do the opposite. Let’s grant President Trump his single biggest wish by giving the president and his administration the benefit of every possible doubt regarding its relationship with Russia.

We’ll start with the basics, by assuming that President Trump long ago reached an honest, informed strategic decision about trying to work with Vladimir Putin that had nothing to do with his own private business interests or with a misplaced case of hero worship. That leads us in turn to the further assumption that Trump and his staff in no way colluded with the Russian effort to interfere in our election, that they were as surprised by its discovery as anybody else.

In this world, the infamous British dossier was a complete fabrication and the string of rather amazing coincidences regarding Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn and Roger Stone and others was exactly that and no more, a meaningless string of amazing, amazing coincidences. The repeated denials of meetings and contacts — denials that we now know to have been false — are purely the product of bad memories on the part of people so busy that they just can’t recall things accurately.

If we accept all that, presuming innocence at every turn, where do we find ourselves?

Not a good place.

We are left with the most amazingly incompetent administration perhaps in American history, an administration that is so clueless and bumbling that in a matter of two months in office, it has managed to make itself look guilty and defensive even when it is presumably innocent. We face an administration that for some reason cannot tell the American people a straight story even when a straight story would be to its immense benefit, that cannot get its message across accurately even with an extremely gifted messenger as its leader.

If they truly are hiding nothing, then the absurd theatrics involving U.S. Rep. Devin Nunes going to the White House to inform the White House of what the White House had leaked to him the night before rises to an even higher level of absurdity. In this best of all possible worlds, Sean Spicer’s hapless, desperate evasions are no longer comical but … I don’t know what term to use. Downright tragic?

Personally, I don’t think that’s the way the history books are going to cover this. I think this will end up being attributed to gross incompetence on the part of people not half as smart as they think they are, combined with at the very least willful deceit if not felonious complicity.  And heaven help the country if malfeasance ends up outweighing the considerable amount of incompetence already on display.

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Here's_to_Blue
Here's_to_Blue

Anybody else having trouble seeing or making comments on the new sheetz?

OriginalProf
OriginalProf

@Here's_to_Blue 

Me too.  Am wondering if some news scoop has happened and Jay is updating his essay that favors ending the Senate filibuster on the SC.

FIGMO2
FIGMO2

Is jay fillibustering comments upstairs?

There's no comment box. 

McGarnagle
McGarnagle

Anyone provide link about susan rice and unmasking report?


I check the foxnews website and see no reference

rimsky
rimsky

New sheetz.  Filibuster stuff

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

One of many ways that Trump bamboozled his voters which is why there are so many Trump regrets voters now.  


In most of his rallies, Trump will mention his plans to stop China's financial influence over the U.S., and bring up his theory that Goldman Sachs owns Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton because it once paid her $675,000 in speaking fees.


According to the Times, a building on the Avenue of the Americas in New York City's Manhattan borough that is partially owned by Trump has a loan of $950 million that was paid for by a few different entities, including the Bank of China and Goldman Sachs.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

How Trump bamboozled you @td1234 


In most of his rallies, Trump will mention his plans to stop China's financial influence over the U.S., and bring up his theory that Goldman Sachs owns Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton because it once paid her $675,000 in speaking fees.


According to the Times, a building on the Avenue of the Americas in New York City's Manhattan borough that is partially owned by Trump has a loan of $950 million that was paid for by a few different entities, including the Bank of China and Goldman Sachs.

gotalife
gotalife

dems just handed trump another defeat.

OldJacketFan
OldJacketFan

Did y'all know Ossoff is one of THEM??????????????? GMAFB

td1234
td1234

@StraightNoChaser @td1234 So the NY Times and other prog media has been outed for the fake Russia collusion story and now is shifting gears to their next unsubstantiated scandal. 


How many times can the progs cry wolf before they are just ignored? 

rimsky
rimsky

As Washington rolls out the red carpet for the butcher of Cairo, the media gushes with praise. 

++++

Obama did not give Sisse time of the day and would not invite him to DC.  Give him that

JeffreyEav
JeffreyEav

Change the Senate rules. They asked for it. They'll probably still need Pence to break the tie. Losers.

td1234
td1234

@JeffreyEav We are up to 3 Dems that said they are gong to vote yes for Gorsuch

gotalife
gotalife

Told ya they have to nuke him.


Garland is the compromise.


Take it or leave it at 8.

TBS
TBS

@gotalife


The Garland is the compromise talking point is tired and out of the question.  McConnell will go to simple majority and Gorsuch will be confirmed if Dems don't wuss out.  I hope they don't but wuss out but they should make the Rs go  simple majority. 

td1234
td1234

@TBS @gotalife Some folks do not seem to understand this is what will happen and the results for the Democrat actions now in the future will be that Trump and appoint a Pryor or a Cruz if/when Kennedy retires this summer or Ruth retires or worse. 

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

I had and still have my doubts..

rimsky
rimsky

@TBS @td1234 @gotalife You better listen to TD.  He was a valedictorian of one class.  Do you have credentials like that?  LOLOLOL

TBS
TBS

@td1234 @TBS @gotalife


Your talking point is just as tired.  If Dems don't go simple majority this time and Trump wants another hardcore conservative McConnell will just go simple majority the next time. 

You seem to be implying Trump is going to go moderate next time if the Ds don't filibuster Gorsuch.  You didn't say that and if that's not what you are implying then what are you trying to say? 


td1234
td1234

@TBS @td1234 @gotalife Thank you Harry Reid. If I remember corrected, progs were crowing for days, even Mr. Bookman, about Harry going nuclear. 

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

Democrats now have the votes they need to filibuster Neil Gorsuch's nomination to the Supreme Court — prompting a showdown with their Republican colleagues who have vowed to change the Senate's rules in order to get him a seat on the bench.

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

There was some amazing raw footage on YouTube of the tanks rolling through the streets of Cairo during El Sisis's military coup in 2013, literally crushing the resistance in their path. The videos were up on YouTube right after it happened. 

But, curiously, you can't seem to find any of that now. 


StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

td1234 20 minutes ago

@Resist Trump Bretbart. Try Bloomberg that outed Susan Rice. Reading comprehension is not your friend. 


Every time you post that repugnant alternative fact td I am going to post the rest of the story.


The standard for senior officials to learn the names of U.S. persons incidentally collected is that it must have some foreign intelligence value, a standard that can apply to almost anything. This suggests Rice's unmasking requests were likely within the law.

~~~~Bloomberg



KUTGF
KUTGF

@Kamchak I am sure that is because Trump is all for the recognizing National Sexual Assault Awareness and Prevention Month....  Now if he will just stay in the White House and send home the female staffers, perhaps some will be safe. 

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

Understood..I want to read more of the subject.hence I said cite? Giving Americas response to Boko Harem,I wouldn't be surprised if DP is correct

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

Unlike Trump, former President Barack Obama declined to invite Sisi to visit the White House over his term in office. Sisi led the 2013 overthrow of Egypt’s first democratically-elected president, Mohamed Morsi, and later ascended to the top of Egypt’s government. He has since been accused of employing repressive tactics, including jailing thousands of political opponents and protesters.

Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@BuckeyeGa 

Unlike Trump, former President Barack Obama declined to invite Sisi to visit the White House over his term in office

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Purely window dressing, for appearances only. 

The savage military junta led by El Sisi that overthrew the Morsi government was carried out with Washington's blessing. 


Donnie_Pinko
Donnie_Pinko

@BuckeyeGa 

Most significantly, the Obama administration avoided dubbing the coup a 'coup', thus allowing it to gain legitimacy and formally avoid sanction. 

TBS
TBS

@BuckeyeGa


Minus the Putin part of his comment I think DP is correct.  When the Arab Spring and whatever else was taking place behind the scenes took Mubarak down I think the US thought the generals would be able to control the place - translation who would be in office.  But that did not occur. Elections brought forth the Muslim Brotherhood. I couldn't proof it in court but I'd bet the St Dept and CIA went to those same generals and said things could get even worse and US armament sales and aid could eventually dry up if the MB stays in power. 

So the generals or at least the ones the CIA had in their pocket took the government back and started killing MB members.  

So I'd say Obama had a pretty good insight as to what was taking place

TBS
TBS

@BuckeyeGa


If people want to rise up against these dictators I wish them well but the Arab Spring which Obama cheered on and Condeleezza Rice made sure to say GWB was the catalyst hasn't been the winning hand the US had thought. 

So it's been a double edged sword to say the least.  

TBS
TBS

@Donnie_Pinko


el-Sisi's been to Moscow several times.  So I do get the part of the US long term interaction with Egypt and overlooking and even assisting with  the bs that goes on there.  But save me the Putin is the real monster shtick.  Little dramatic to say the least. 

Sorry dude but he isn't the Mr Nice Guy you try to deflect from anytime someone brings up his name. 

And in this case I don't think Putin was brought up.  You did that. 

BuckeyeGa
BuckeyeGa

the right has a new talking point

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

td1234 2 minutes ago

@StraightNoChaser You mean he asked for the same thing given to every single one of the top Clinton aides before they talked to the FBI about Clinton emails. LOL\


Yest that one.  BTW td quit with the BS while you still have some dignity left, it's not much though....


'If you're not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for?'
~~~~Donald J Trump, 2016

KUTGF
KUTGF

@StraightNoChaser Yep... td was right with Donnie about any 5th to Clinton people.  He is worried about what will come out now however. 

As for "dignity", that train left the tracks years ago with td

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@KUTGF @StraightNoChaser Every argument that he uses to make someone else look disgusting Trump has done and said the same thing.  That leaves td as a Trump humper with nothing burgers all day long.  LOL

Philo_Farnsworth
Philo_Farnsworth

FoxNews is reporting "multiple sources" say Susan Rice unmasked and leaked names from intelligence reports.

Perp walk time.

Oh wait. She could just blame a Muslim video and skate.

StraightNoChaser
StraightNoChaser

@Philo_Farnsworth She was doing her job, team Trump should not have been talking to Russians.


The standard for senior officials to learn the names of U.S. persons incidentally collected is that it must have some foreign intelligence value, a standard that can apply to almost anything. This suggests Rice's unmasking requests were likely within the law.

LordHelpUs
LordHelpUs

@Philo_Farnsworth Ya'll are leaving out an important word from your headlines...

Ms. Rice REQUESTED unmasking.

The fact you leave this out tells me you are reaching.  LOL!