Opinion: GOP lies, point-blank, about its health-care plan

The continued willingness of Republicans to lie, point-blank, with a straight face and without a hint of conscience, about the impact of their proposed “health-care reform” just amazes me. I have never seen anything like it since those Joe Isuzu ads of the 1980s.

The worst may be Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, the man for whom the word “unctuous” has been waiting seven centuries to describe. In an interview Sunday with CNN’s Jake Tapper, the former Georgia congressman made a number of truly astonishing claims.

• According to Price, the GOP proposal to cut $880 billion from Medicaid —  the savings will be used to cut taxes for the wealthy  — somehow does not violate President Trump’s campaign promise that “I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.”

• According to Price, after cutting $880 billion from Medicaid, the government will be able to give everybody on Medicaid “a higher level of care, higher quality of care than they currently do.”

• Price noted that one-third of physicians refuse to accept Medicaid today because it pays them too little. He then claimed that after $880 billion is cut from the program over the next 10 years, those non-participating doctors will decide to participate after all. He did not identify the magical means by which that will happen.

• Price pointed out that some 20 million people remain uninsured under Obamacare, and suggests that under the Republican plan those 20 million will be brought under the insurance umbrella. How? Once again, a magic wand must be involved. It is certainly astonishing news to the experts at the Congressional Budget Office, who predict that the GOP plan will do the opposite by stripping 24 million Americans of their coverage. Every other nonpartisan expert to examine the plan has reached a similar conclusion.

• Price claimed that under the GOP plan, deductibles would fall; the CBO says “deductibles and other cost-sharing would increase.” He claimed that those with pre-existing conditions would be protected; they would not. Price claimed that premiums would fall; the CBO says that is true for younger, healthier Americans, but older and poorer Americans would pay a lot more, so much more that many would be unable to afford it. (Obamacare allows older Americans to be charged three times as much as younger Americans. Under the GOP plan, they can be charged five times as much.)

CNN host Jake Tapper was appropriately astonished at Price’s various claims:

TAPPER: Are you actually saying that $880 billion in cuts … is actually not going to result in millions of Americans not getting Medicaid?

PRICE: Absolutely not. And we believe strongly that the Medicaid population that will be cared for in a better way under our program, because it will be more responsive to them.

If you have to lie about what you’re doing, maybe, just maybe, you’re doing the wrong thing.

 

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Do the RWers realize that the Trump EO on Muslims hasn't even been adjudicated in a Court of Appeals yet?

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This is, arguably, my favorite exchange from yesterday.  Yet, another Dem talking point goes down in flames....FRANKEN: And I want to thank General Clapper and – and Attorney General Yates for – for appearing today. We have – the intelligence communities have concluded all 17 of them that Russia interfered with this election. And we all know how that’s right.

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Peachs
Peachs

@DownInAlbany how do you buy Hillary's guilty with just FOX and deny 17 agencies?  Where is Gowdy?

Peachs
Peachs

@TetoLeo point lost here is there is a direct line from Russia to the White House.  And the mo is going to get faster and faster.  Watch and learn, maybe you can get the fire started at your next barbeque, on a woman democrat, like Sally, man you WH party guys make it easy.

PaulinNH
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@DownInAlbany  Eh - so you like the fact that Clapper stated that 3 agencies plus Clapper's office concluded that Russia interfered with the election?

Peachs
Peachs

@DownInAlbany @PaulinNH we truly live in alternative worlds, a lie to me is truth to you, lets see who come out of this thing right, the gravity of it demands a conclusion, and winning an election by losing it is only the beginning not the conclusion. 

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So tell us, DownInAlbany and td1234:

Is this a valid opinion?  Is it robust, supported in logic, moreso than others on the subject?  Does it carry equal or superior weight to those who have the opinion there was no collusion?

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Paul42
Paul42

DownInAlbany  td1234

"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.

— Douglas Adams"

Just because words come out of your mouth, or from your keyboard, does not mean they are robust, sophisticated or well supported.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

@Paul42  OK, I'm good with that, as long as you apply it to your words, as well.  You good with that, sport?

Paul42
Paul42

@DownInAlbany

Sure thing,  Which is why I provide evidence to support my opinions, unlike some on this forum, shorty.

Peachs
Peachs

@DownInAlbany @Paul42 nor alternative truth, or conflict of interest, nor mail order brides, bigotry we are not really typical are we...

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Oh and by the way, I watched that whole hearing. Sally Yates ROCKED it!

Peachs
Peachs

@Gmare there are a 100 ladies from Ga. just like her who may go to their graves unused..

FIGMO2
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@Gmare

Though she stood her ground, I didn't see where she had much ground to stand upon.

Flynn's likely in trouble with the military but that's about it.

rimsky
rimsky

@FIGMO2 @Gmare  Though she stood her ground, I didn't see where she had much ground to stand upon.

Probably your side only believes that.  Rest though Yates rocked the hearing.

Peachs
Peachs

@rimsky @FIGMO2 @Gmare I think the FBI got an eye full, and this thing ain't just a hearing.  She went to warn the White House, really doing her duty and gets fired for it, no matter the public excuse, which has not been too accurate for 104 days now.  Starting with the huge crowd watching the greatest event in American history, and raise more money than Obama's which was the real thing.Where did all that money disappear to.

Gmare
Gmare

Geez, Down. It was a more than four hour hearing. Go watch some clips!

rimsky
rimsky

The polls have closed in South Korea and the left leaning candidate is being presumed to winn.

People in SK are not all bothered by nuclear threat from NK.  They know it is BS.

Their main concern is jobs for highly educated young.

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They may not be worried about a nuclear threat, because more of the bad hair cut boys missiles blow up on the launch pad, but they should be worried about the artillery aimed at them.

DownInAlbany
DownInAlbany

Opinion....

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

Peachs
Peachs

@DownInAlbany to you getting soaking wet from a rain storm is a belief, like Hillary's a crook, you can't tell the difference!

Paul42
Paul42

@DownInAlbany
So what are the 'grounds' upon which you base your opinions?

You never, ever cite them.  

carterjoseph1950
carterjoseph1950

Price just sits there and lies with complete confidence. He does not fool me one bit. He says, "Imagine, if you will, a system that provides everyone with Access To Health Care!" Acess to health care?  Sorry, Dr. Price. but "Acess" ain't 'Health Care".   A ramp provides you with 'access' to the Interstate, but some on the Interstate who used the same ramp as millionaires can barely even afford the gas, much less the money to keep their care running safely. Access, my foot. Great salesmanship, Price, but you are shilling a shoddy product.

Republicans who say " I don't want to pay for your child's health care" are deluded. By that 'logic'; Why should I pay my property taxes. Most of it goes to schools, and I DON"T HAVE CHILDREN!  Health care MUST be covered for everyone.




Visual_Cortex
Visual_Cortex

@carterjoseph1950

Oh how I wish I could deliver a painful electric shock to anyone using the word "ACCESS" to describe their healthcare/tax scam.

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@carterjoseph1950  Access?  Yep.  Every time I stop at the BMW dealership in Stratham I have "access" to a M760.  There is the little problem of the MSRP though.

Peachs
Peachs

@carterjoseph1950 Price is a carpetbagger exactly what they call Ossoff who was born here.  He is in style and appearance a very plastic personality, and doesn't care about anything but himself. He hadn't had to lie till now, he was surrounded by people who live up and down 400 who came here to take advantage of the slow moving southerners, who made lying unnecessary, we going to screw you good and we say amen.